Random thoughts on the Denver preseason game

[Mick063]

I don't see the big negatives with Pryor.

He threw a bad pass at the end. Time was running out and he forced it. Otherwise, I thought he played fine. Many other quarterbacks would have likely taken sacks from this bad offensive line. Pryor made positive plays out of nothing. Given time to throw, he was more accurate than I anticipated he would be.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

I don't see the big negatives with Pryor.

He threw a bad pass at the end. Time was running out and he forced it. Otherwise, I thought he played fine. Many other quarterbacks would have likely taken sacks from this bad offensive line. Pryor made positive plays out of nothing. Given time to throw, he was more accurate than I anticipated he would be.

I think the big issue most of us have with Pryor is the difference between him and Russell when they roll out of the pocket. With Wilson, there's always the threat for a huge play, whether running or passing. Everything's always open, right up until he either throws the ball or steps across the line of scrimmage. In fact, the sense of anticipation actually grows when Wilson scrambles because so many of his big plays have come from scrambles.

With Pryor, his down field vision isn't nearly what Wilson's is, and I get the feeling he isn't as comfortable or as accurate throwing on the run. And while he can really run, he seems to be in a learning curve right now, where he's trying not to just run, but have the ability like Wilson does to throw if need be. Right now, it isn't working as smoothly as it needs to be. He's not nearly the threat to break a big run because he hesitates, and he's not nearly the threat to throw when he scrambles either. With Wilson, you have the potential for a really big play, or at the very least a smart play. With Pryor, we saw short scrambles for little to no gain.

Not taking a sack is a good play. Not forcing a throw is a good play. Picking up a couple of yards out of nothing is a good play. But with Wilson, we get the great plays: the 25-yard scrambles, the 50-yard bombs to an open receiver, the flick and dump to an open tight end or running back for some solid yardage.

Now granted, Pryor's a backup. We didn't bring him in to be a starter, and we didn't even bring him in to compete with Wilson, so I realize those comparisons are a bit unfair. But that's why folks have the knocks against him they do. We've seen what's possible, and everything else is viewed (fairly or not) in that light. If Pryor starts doing those things that separates Wilson from the crowd, you'll have a lot of folks around here pretty high on him.

 

[Hawks46]

Why should any form of scoring be completely automatic? Either remove extra point kicks and make TDs worth 7, or move them back even farther, IMO. I think it'd be interesting if they were 45-yard attempts.

I still remember a game in 2008 when the eventual 0-12 Huskies scored a last second TD on a Jake Locker run. All they needed was an extra point to head to overtime, but because they celebrated the play (understandable), they added 15 yards on the PAT. Which they missed. Worst ending to a game ever.

I'm fine with automatic PATs, but potentially deciding a game on a point after is a really really bad idea. You think people hate ties, they will hate losing a game on an arbitrarily long PAT a thousand times more.

This is the modern day football fan. Just a head scratcher. I bet you root for high draft picks once the Hawks are eliminated from playoff contention, too.

Honestly, I don't even get what you are saying.

I think we can probably agree on one thing though: that I should probably stop doing these write-ups. People can't share observations around here without being shit on by a bunch of people, and that takes a toll over time. The occasional insightful comments are nice, but it's not enough.

I think this will be my last one, at least for a long while.

Don't sweat it Kearly. It seems like right now, the hip thing is for people to be waiting for overreactions and knee jerk responses due to it being preseason, then jumping all over people. I'm guessing this is to prove how much more grounded
of fans they are. I wrote a similar post and the first line was basically "it's preseason game 1, so don't think I'm overreacting" and a few posts later, folks are jumping in about overreaction.

Sit it out for the preseason if you need to. Thing is, I know you enough to know you dig the player development and individual evaluation that comes with the preseason. I do to. I like seeing how the rookies and younger players progress, to try to have an educated guess how they fit into the roster and what we can expect from each positional group.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

TJack sucked when he got here. Way worse than Pryor looked the other day. TJack is a much better QB today. Top 5 backup QB. Who knows? Maybe Pryor will be too one day?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Isn't Pryor a free agent after this year?

 

[kearly]

Yup.

 

[kearly]

Sit it out for the preseason if you need to. Thing is, I know you enough to know you dig the player development and individual evaluation that comes with the preseason. I do to. I like seeing how the rookies and younger players progress, to try to have an educated guess how they fit into the roster and what we can expect from each positional group.

I'll probably still share an occasional observation, it just won't be in a separate thread like this for a while.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Sit it out for the preseason if you need to. Thing is, I know you enough to know you dig the player development and individual evaluation that comes with the preseason. I do to. I like seeing how the rookies and younger players progress, to try to have an educated guess how they fit into the roster and what we can expect from each positional group.

I'll probably still share an occasional observation, it just won't be in a separate thread like this for a while.

:3-1:

 

[DavidSeven]

I think the Pryor thing may end up being the most interesting decision facing PC this off-season. He isn't good enough to beat T-Jack. Right now, T-Jack could win a playoff game. Pryor could not. In my mind, T-Jack has to be QB2, and it would be kind of infuriating to me if they dropped him for Pryor. That being said, Pryor has some upside as the QB2 OTF. He's not there yet, but maybe in a year. With a weak roster, I'd definitely say keep him on as QB3 and develop him. But on this roster? Tough question. Someone good will have to be cut; not sure if PC is willing to make that sacrifice for a guy whose ceiling is a career back-up.

 

[brimsalabim]

For the record I enjoy Kearly's break downs and the discussions that follow more than any other component of .net. I hope he continues to contribute.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

..........

I think we can probably agree on one thing though: that I should probably stop doing these write-ups. People can't share observations around here without being shit on by a bunch of people, and that takes a toll over time. The occasional insightful comments are nice, but it's not enough.

I think this will be my last one, at least for a long while.

Seriously Kip, you're gonna let some guy with 20 posts dissuade you from something those of us that have been around here as long or longer than you look forward to each week? I thought your skin was at least a bit thicker.....and I don't mean that in a negative way, just that I wonder why you're not considering the source(s) of your frustration.
And a nice side aspect of your write-ups is that it's a catalyst for others to post their thoughts as well and most of them are actually not stupid or ignorant.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I don't see the big negatives with Pryor.

He threw a bad pass at the end. Time was running out and he forced it. Otherwise, I thought he played fine. Many other quarterbacks would have likely taken sacks from this bad offensive line. Pryor made positive plays out of nothing. Given time to throw, he was more accurate than I anticipated he would be.

I think the big issue most of us have with Pryor is the difference between him and Russell when they roll out of the pocket. With Wilson, there's always the threat for a huge play, whether running or passing. Everything's always open, right up until he either throws the ball or steps across the line of scrimmage. In fact, the sense of anticipation actually grows when Wilson scrambles because so many of his big plays have come from scrambles.

With Pryor, his down field vision isn't nearly what Wilson's is, and I get the feeling he isn't as comfortable or as accurate throwing on the run. And while he can really run, he seems to be in a learning curve right now, where he's trying not to just run, but have the ability like Wilson does to throw if need be. Right now, it isn't working as smoothly as it needs to be. He's not nearly the threat to break a big run because he hesitates, and he's not nearly the threat to throw when he scrambles either. With Wilson, you have the potential for a really big play, or at the very least a smart play. With Pryor, we saw short scrambles for little to no gain.

Not taking a sack is a good play. Not forcing a throw is a good play. Picking up a couple of yards out of nothing is a good play. But with Wilson, we get the great plays: the 25-yard scrambles, the 50-yard bombs to an open receiver, the flick and dump to an open tight end or running back for some solid yardage.

Now granted, Pryor's a backup. We didn't bring him in to be a starter, and we didn't even bring him in to compete with Wilson, so I realize those comparisons are a bit unfair. But that's why folks have the knocks against him they do. We've seen what's possible, and everything else is viewed (fairly or not) in that light. If Pryor starts doing those things that separates Wilson from the crowd, you'll have a lot of folks around here pretty high on him.

Very solid points! :th2thumbs:

 

[dontbelikethat]

Why should any form of scoring be completely automatic? Either remove extra point kicks and make TDs worth 7, or move them back even farther, IMO. I think it'd be interesting if they were 45-yard attempts.

I still remember a game in 2008 when the eventual 0-12 Huskies scored a last second TD on a Jake Locker run. All they needed was an extra point to head to overtime, but because they celebrated the play (understandable), they added 15 yards on the PAT. Which they missed. Worst ending to a game ever.

I'm fine with automatic PATs, but potentially deciding a game on a point after is a really really bad idea. You think people hate ties, they will hate losing a game on an arbitrarily long PAT a thousand times more.

This is the modern day football fan. Just a head scratcher. I bet you root for high draft picks once the Hawks are eliminated from playoff contention, too.

Honestly, I don't even get what you are saying.

I think we can probably agree on one thing though: that I should probably stop doing these write-ups. People can't share observations around here without being shit on by a bunch of people, and that takes a toll over time. The occasional insightful comments are nice, but it's not enough.

I think this will be my last one, at least for a long while.

One of the best, most insightful contributors to the site. Don't go

Enjoy those breakdowns very much as I think most of .NET does.

 

[theincrediblesok]

Kearly - Before I became an active member of this forum (was a lurker for almost 2 years), I use to always look forward to your post, no matter if i agree or disagree with you. There are some insightful things that I might not be able to find out or I would have to search the whole day to find the answers, most of the time your post would answer those for me. Keep doing your thing, it's what you love to do don't let someone negate that.

 

[kearly]

Seriously Kip, you're gonna let some guy with 20 posts dissuade you from something those of us that have been around here as long or longer than you look forward to each week? I thought your skin was at least a bit thicker.....and I don't mean that in a negative way, just that I wonder why you're not considering the source(s) of your frustration.
And a nice side aspect of your write-ups is that it's a catalyst for others to post their thoughts as well and most of them are actually not stupid or ignorant.

It's not about one guy. It's about 4 years worth of targeting and disrespect, usually in small doses. Usually it is not severe enough to merit pointing out, like this instance did, but it still all adds up over time just the same.

One or two years it's not so bad, but over a long period of time you just run out of gas. It's like shitty job or a bad marriage, you can only tough it out so long before you collapse.

So, to try and overcome this fatigue, I just stop when I need to. Though lately I've needed to stop for longer and longer.

 

[seedhawk]

Seriously Kip, you're gonna let some guy with 20 posts dissuade you from something those of us that have been around here as long or longer than you look forward to each week? I thought your skin was at least a bit thicker.....and I don't mean that in a negative way, just that I wonder why you're not considering the source(s) of your frustration.
And a nice side aspect of your write-ups is that it's a catalyst for others to post their thoughts as well and most of them are actually not stupid or ignorant.

It's not about one guy. It's about 4 years worth of targeting and disrespect, usually in small doses. One or two years it's not so bad, but over a long period of time you just run out of gas. It's like shitty job or a bad marriage, you can only tough it out so long before you collapse.

So, to try and overcome this fatigue, I just stop when I need to. Though lately I've needed to stop for longer and longer.

Do what you gotta do to stay sane and happy Kip. Our loss could well be you're gain.

 

[kearly]

I think the Pryor thing may end up being the most interesting decision facing PC this off-season. He isn't good enough to beat T-Jack. Right now, T-Jack could win a playoff game. Pryor could not. In my mind, T-Jack has to be QB2, and it would be kind of infuriating to me if they dropped him for Pryor. That being said, Pryor has some upside as the QB2 OTF. He's not there yet, but maybe in a year. With a weak roster, I'd definitely say keep him on as QB3 and develop him. But on this roster? Tough question. Someone good will have to be cut; not sure if PC is willing to make that sacrifice for a guy whose ceiling is a career back-up.

Exactly how I see it.

Before this game, I thought Pryor had ZERO chance to make the 53. Now I'm starting to think he might have a shot. I think a lot of what ails him might be cured with a ton of reps in our offense. And with the back half of the roster looking so much weaker this year compared to last it looks like the guy he'd be bumping off the roster might be a Caylin Hauptmann or a Spencer Ware caliber player.

Seattle could let him go and still sign him as a free agent next year, but then he'd miss out on a season of practice reps with our offense. Should be an interesting decision.

 

[seedhawk]

I think the Pryor thing may end up being the most interesting decision facing PC this off-season. He isn't good enough to beat T-Jack. Right now, T-Jack could win a playoff game. Pryor could not. In my mind, T-Jack has to be QB2, and it would be kind of infuriating to me if they dropped him for Pryor. That being said, Pryor has some upside as the QB2 OTF. He's not there yet, but maybe in a year. With a weak roster, I'd definitely say keep him on as QB3 and develop him. But on this roster? Tough question. Someone good will have to be cut; not sure if PC is willing to make that sacrifice for a guy whose ceiling is a career back-up.

Exactly how I see it.

Before this game, I thought Pryor had ZERO chance to make the 53. Now I'm starting to think he might have a shot. I think a lot of what ails him might be cured with a ton of reps in our offense. And with the back half of the roster looking so much weaker this year compared to last it looks like the guy he'd be bumping off the roster might be a Caylin Hauptmann or a Spencer Ware caliber player.

Seattle could let him go and still sign him as a free agent next year, but then he'd miss out on a season of practice reps with our offense. Should be an interesting decision.

Not to pat my own back a bit but, when the Pryor trade went down I posted a response almost exactly like yours. I really think PC and JS are looking for a younger TJ with RW run skills, and Pryor is about as close as you get. (plus about 5 inches)

 

[Zebulon Dak]

Sit it out for the preseason if you need to. Thing is, I know you enough to know you dig the player development and individual evaluation that comes with the preseason. I do to. I like seeing how the rookies and younger players progress, to try to have an educated guess how they fit into the roster and what we can expect from each positional group.

I'll probably still share an occasional observation, it just won't be in a separate thread like this for a while.

:3-1:

:229031_confused2:

 

[Anthony!]

I think the Pryor thing may end up being the most interesting decision facing PC this off-season. He isn't good enough to beat T-Jack. Right now, T-Jack could win a playoff game. Pryor could not. In my mind, T-Jack has to be QB2, and it would be kind of infuriating to me if they dropped him for Pryor. That being said, Pryor has some upside as the QB2 OTF. He's not there yet, but maybe in a year. With a weak roster, I'd definitely say keep him on as QB3 and develop him. But on this roster? Tough question. Someone good will have to be cut; not sure if PC is willing to make that sacrifice for a guy whose ceiling is a career back-up.

Pryor is an FA after this year.