Poll: The Biggest Problem On Offense Is…

[WmHBonney]

I chose OL. But aren't OCs supposed to be able to scheme around their known deficiencies? If so, then Grubb is at fault too.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

Audibles are preset, by the OC, depending on the look the D gives. They do not, however, have caveats for personnel. Personnel and formations aren't part of the QBs responsibilities. If the D gives you the look that the coaches setup the specific audible for, you check into it. You don't have time to assess personnel in that scenario. If they're on the field, they should be able to do their job.
I suspect most people know this and are being intentionally obtuse. If not, I don't know what to tell you

Right. So the OC is responsible for the QB implementing an audible then correct? As in if Geno chooses to audible he is doing so based off the defensive “look” and selecting a prepackaged play the OC has drawn up.

So basically it removes (most) all the decision making for the QB. Or does it? Or am I being intentionally obtuse again?

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

This very well maybe the case, but Grubb still is the problem. Along with an above average Qb.

Slightly above average via statistics - which puts us right where our record is

I have a hard time seeing a first
Year coach firing a first year OC - but stranger things have happened.

I couldn’t care less honestly. But practically and logistically I don’t see it happening

 

[CalgaryFan05]

This is simple and has been played out in front of our eyes for 3 years now. Waldron and Grubb fancied themselves great play designers. Neither has shown to be capable at situational play calling or adapting an approach over time as defenses adjust to what they sre doing.

AND, as a result, as the season goes on, our offense stagnates.

Under Shane, it was termed the Geno regression because Waldron's shortcomings werent criticized as often by most. But by the end of last yearx his in-game deficiencies and ability to grow a philosophy, particularly on the groundx became clear.

His canning in Chicago proved it beyond doubt.

Grubb, inexperienced from day one has taken us down a similar path.

Great coordinators have a coherent plan and grow it from a core set of plays and designs that serve as an identity. We have never done that. We have no identity. We have no philosophy. We have no balance,nor a coherent way of attacking a defense.

Defenses know what we dont know and beat us at what we do.

With no core philosophy from which to develop an approach and questionable judgement in situational instances, things logically get progressively worse as the season goes on.

Its no different than 2022 and 2023. The vice tightens. Holes disappear and windows get tighter. Time to throw decreases and the difficulty in completing passes goes up.

We have been here before.

Its not the players, its the scheme.

 

[DarkVictory23]

2022: Mediocre offensive line, no real run game to speak of, Geno at QB, Shane Waldron as OC: Top 10 offense.

2023: Terrible offensive line, no real run game to speak of, Geno at QB, Shane Waldron as OC: Top 10* offense.

2024: Terrible offensive line, no real run game to speak of, Geno at QB, Ryan Grubb as OC: Bottom 10 offense.

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Look, I'm not Sherlock Holmes, but I think I can figure this one out.

I get some people want to give Grubb the opportunity to have a great (or even good) offensive line to prove he has some skills, but the man's problems extend to basic, fundamental failings of offensive play calling and he's shown essentially zero growth as an NFL OC now 94% of the way through the season.

This is the biggest reason why I've gone from 'let's give him another season' to 'he needs to go'. He still seems to have no coherent offensive strategy. He'll bring out some concept in a game, it'll work, and then it'll be gone the next. His running game exists in a silo from his play action game which exists in a silo from his drop back passing game.

The offensive line is still garbage, but they have moved out of the 'bottom 5' zone for pass blocking as this current group has gotten more time working together (they are still a bottom 5 run blocking team).
There are lots of smart, Seahawks centric football analysts on both sides of the Geno Smith debate.
There are almost no smart, Seahawks centric football analysts on the 'pro' side of the Ryan Grubb debate.

* Technically, the Seahawks offense was like 11th in 2023, but if you remove the 2 Drew Lock started games they'd be in the top 10. A little bit of cheating, but it helps my points, so I'm doing it.

 

[Sperrydogg]

What we do know:

1. Our offense was better at the start of the season, but didn't improve over the last 12 games, and ended with no TD and two field goals against the lowly Bears.
2. Geno had his moments at the beginning of the season, Geno of today is not as good.

What we speculate:

1. Coaches can do only so much, the best game-planning or play callings could be wasted by poor execution. This theory is widely adopted by the GeNOs.
2. Other than JSN's breakout year, most other offense players suffered a subpar year, that points to coaching. This theory is adopted by the Geno fanboys and media type like Dave Wyman? Mark Schlereth? Brock Huard? Sherm? Top Billin'?

Michael Bumpus is one media guy that doesn’t seem to care much for geno

 

[Sperrydogg]

2022: Mediocre offensive line, no real run game to speak of, Geno at QB, Shane Waldron as OC: Top 10 offense.

2023: Terrible offensive line, no real run game to speak of, Geno at QB, Shane Waldron as OC: Top 10* offense.

2024: Terrible offensive line, no real run game to speak of, Geno at QB, Ryan Grubb as OC: Bottom 10 offense.

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Look, I'm not Sherlock Holmes, but I think I can figure this one out.

I get some people want to give Grubb the opportunity to have a great (or even good) offensive line to prove he has some skills, but the man's problems extend to basic, fundamental failings of offensive play calling and he's shown essentially zero growth as an NFL OC now 94% of the way through the season.

This is the biggest reason why I've gone from 'let's give him another season' to 'he needs to go'. He still seems to have no coherent offensive strategy. He'll bring out some concept in a game, it'll work, and then it'll be gone the next. His running game exists in a silo from his play action game which exists in a silo from his drop back passing game.

The offensive line is still garbage, but they have moved out of the 'bottom 5' zone for pass blocking as this current group has gotten more time working together (they are still a bottom 5 run blocking team).
There are lots of smart, Seahawks centric football analysts on both sides of the Geno Smith debate.
There are almost no smart, Seahawks centric football analysts on the 'pro' side of the Ryan Grubb debate.

* Technically, the Seahawks offense was like 11th in 2023, but if you remove the 2 Drew Lock started games they'd be in the top 10. A little bit of cheating, but it helps my points, so I'm doing it.

that all sounds good but what we did we get from those top ten offenses? Any playoff wins, and in the end did Geno ever get it done driving those top ten offenses? So much is made of a top ten offense when you could have a top ten offense and not make the playoffs. We have a bottom ten offense right now and we might make the playoffs and our record is as good as it was then. I don’t know what my point is but it’s Geno’s fault

 

[Sperrydogg]

This is simple and has been played out in front of our eyes for 3 years now. Waldron and Grubb fancied themselves great play designers. Neither has shown to be capable at situational play calling or adapting an approach over time as defenses adjust to what they sre doing.

AND, as a result, as the season goes on, our offense stagnates.

Under Shane, it was termed the Geno regression because Waldron's shortcomings werent criticized as often by most. But by the end of last yearx his in-game deficiencies and ability to grow a philosophy, particularly on the groundx became clear.

His canning in Chicago proved it beyond doubt.

Grubb, inexperienced from day one has taken us down a similar path.

Great coordinators have a coherent plan and grow it from a core set of plays and designs that serve as an identity. We have never done that. We have no identity. We have no philosophy. We have no balance,nor a coherent way of attacking a defense.

Defenses know what we dont know and beat us at what we do.

With no core philosophy from which to develop an approach and questionable judgement in situational instances, things logically get progressively worse as the season goes on.

Its no different than 2022 and 2023. The vice tightens. Holes disappear and windows get tighter. Time to throw decreases and the difficulty in completing passes goes up.

We have been here before.

Its not the players, its the scheme.

On Thursday geno looked worse than he has all year. Our run game started of gashing them and everything fell apart on third down. I heard a stat during the game that said Seattle has ran the least amount of plays in the NFL. It looks like it. We go three and out like always, geno could not get first downs on 3rd and 4 over and over. We refused to run on third and 4 or less until we finally did but by then the bears were completely disregarded geno

 

[hgwellz12]

Geno audibles out a lot and then shit hits the fan. Not to say it doesn’t otherwise but that audible to a blocking tight end makes me wonder if he activated his dipshit chakra

I feel like that is the first time in human history that that sentence was ever written and I absolutely LOVE it

 

[warden]

Can’t run consistently between the tackles.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Can somebody offer some analysis why this year's offensive personnel is better than last year? Not being rhetorical, I am genuinely willing to listen.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Geno audibles out a lot and then shit hits the fan. Not to say it doesn’t otherwise but that audible to a blocking tight end makes me wonder if he activated his dipshit chakra

I saw him audible into a run and it was a whole bunch of nothing, flipped the whole play moved everyone across the field then yelled out a bunch a crap and handed off from the shotgun for no gain

 

[James in PA]

D: Other - The bearded little fella who assembled the whole thing, from players to coaches who has still not found us a QB after the Russ trade.

 

[keasley45]

Mike Macdonald steadfast in belief in Geno Smith, which could have broad implications

The coach hasn't absolved his quarterback of blame, but he hasn't wavered in supporting Smith, either, ahead of a critical offseason.

www.nytimes.com

Great article on exactly what this thread is about. Seems Macdonald doesnt feel like Geno is the issue at all and cites 'team mistakes' and play design as contributors to the poor QB play.

Good read, unless you are of the opinion Geno needs to go.

Some snippets:

'Now for the advanced numbers (all stats provided by TruMedia unless stated otherwise). Smith has been pressured at the third-highest rate in the league yet been sacked on just 19.4 percent of those pressures, which ranks 19th among qualified quarterbacks. He’s 29th in touchdown rate (3.2 percent), ninth in interception rate (2.8), 12th in sack rate (7.9) and 20th in dropback EPA, one spot below Russell Wilson and above Aaron Rodgers. Smith has taken play-action dropbacks at the second-lowest rate in the league (behind Cousins) while operating an offense that ranks 30th in designed rush rate.

Many of these numbers explain the lens through which Macdonald views Smith. Seattle’s offensive line allows a lot of pressure, the team doesn’t run the ball much (or very well) and the quarterback is often in pure passing situations without any misdirection or run threat.

Macdonald said criticizing Smith for throwing interceptions is fair but reiterated that he’s the “same guy that is putting us in position in a lot of these games to go win.”'

...

'Macdonald has shown he’s willing to be a tough critic. He has called out rookies for being out of shape and given frank assessments of other players while benching and jettisoning those who aren’t performing to their standard. Macdonald could have given Sam Howell the benefit of the doubt for his poor showing in relief duty in Week 15 but chose to flat-out say the backup quarterback didn’t play very well. This suggests Macdonald’s opinion of Smith is genuine and not just typical coach-speak'.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Right. So the OC is responsible for the QB implementing an audible then correct? As in if Geno chooses to audible he is doing so based off the defensive “look” and selecting a prepackaged play the OC has drawn up.

So basically it removes (most) all the decision making for the QB. Or does it? Or am I being intentionally obtuse again?

QBs don't implement audibles

 

[HawkRiderFan]

I wish there was the option to make more than 1 pick! If I was going to put the problems in order:

1. Interior o-line. Way too many instances of d-lineman winning immediatly and getting into the backfield.
2. Grubb seems to be play-calling based very good skilled position players, especially receivers and not using motions, play-action etc to help take the heat off the pass rush
3. I am not anti-Geno but do have questions of what the ceiling is with him. The 2 issues I see with him are bad red zone decision making (obvious). Also seems like on 3rd down specifically he locks in one guy and will try and fit it into a tight window vs looking for someone else...even when he has time. He had JSN when he tried to find Lockett last week. I went to the Giants game (sadly) and I remember him trying to fit one into a covered DK when he had an open JSN right in front of him in the middle. Is there any chance the pass rush is in his head and he thinks he doesn't have time to look around, even when he does?

 

[toffee]

Michael Bumpus is one media guy that doesn’t seem to care much for geno

There should be more, Geno is not having a good season, he is struggling more as the season goes on.

 

[toffee]

Mike Macdonald steadfast in belief in Geno Smith, which could have broad implications

The coach hasn't absolved his quarterback of blame, but he hasn't wavered in supporting Smith, either, ahead of a critical offseason.

www.nytimes.com

Great article on exactly what this thread is about. Seems Macdonald doesnt feel like Geno is the issue at all and cites 'team mistakes' and play design as contributors to the poor QB play.

Good read, unless you are of the opinion Geno needs to go.

Some snippets:

'Now for the advanced numbers (all stats provided by TruMedia unless stated otherwise). Smith has been pressured at the third-highest rate in the league yet been sacked on just 19.4 percent of those pressures, which ranks 19th among qualified quarterbacks. He’s 29th in touchdown rate (3.2 percent), ninth in interception rate (2.8), 12th in sack rate (7.9) and 20th in dropback EPA, one spot below Russell Wilson and above Aaron Rodgers. Smith has taken play-action dropbacks at the second-lowest rate in the league (behind Cousins) while operating an offense that ranks 30th in designed rush rate.

Many of these numbers explain the lens through which Macdonald views Smith. Seattle’s offensive line allows a lot of pressure, the team doesn’t run the ball much (or very well) and the quarterback is often in pure passing situations without any misdirection or run threat.

Macdonald said criticizing Smith for throwing interceptions is fair but reiterated that he’s the “same guy that is putting us in position in a lot of these games to go win.”'

...

'Macdonald has shown he’s willing to be a tough critic. He has called out rookies for being out of shape and given frank assessments of other players while benching and jettisoning those who aren’t performing to their standard. Macdonald could have given Sam Howell the benefit of the doubt for his poor showing in relief duty in Week 15 but chose to flat-out say the backup quarterback didn’t play very well. This suggests Macdonald’s opinion of Smith is genuine and not just typical coach-speak'.

Come on, our young Macdonald watches the games from the sideline, he didn't enjoy the birdeye view like our GeNOs on dot net, it's reasonable to assume he opinions may not be as insightful as our GeNOs? And didn't you know we watch with love passion hate and beer?

 

[cymatica]

Grubb makes a bad Oline worse and calls a game that just increases the odds of Geno throwing ints

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

QBs don't implement audibles

So they don’t call them? Who does then? When it’s said Geno audibles out of a play who is actually doing that then?