Poll: The Biggest Problem On Offense Is…

[AROS]

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[toffee]

What we do know:

1. Our offense was better at the start of the season, but didn't improve over the last 12 games, and ended with no TD and two field goals against the lowly Bears.
2. Geno had his moments at the beginning of the season, Geno of today is not as good.

What we speculate:

1. Coaches can do only so much, the best game-planning or play callings could be wasted by poor execution. This theory is widely adopted by the GeNOs.
2. Other than JSN's breakout year, most other offense players suffered a subpar year, that points to coaching. This theory is adopted by the Geno fanboys and media type like Dave Wyman? Mark Schlereth? Brock Huard? Sherm? Top Billin'?

 

[GemCity]

While I believe all the reasons you listed need an upgrade, imo Grubb has done far less with a ‘decent’ group.

It’s time to draft a QB…we have to start taking shots - as much as a gamble as that is.

We need at least two more quality linemen.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand what we’ve tried to do on the O-line. I also know that QBs don’t necessarily grow on trees.

But we’ve gotta take some shots…

 

[Fresno Hawk]

It's Grubb, his plays are so predictable and for some reason he cannot operate his offense from under center. He hasn't showed any fill for play calling, and always seems to call running plays when teams are blitzing.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

I vote IOL. If those guys can’t protect for at least 2.5 seconds, Geno will have problems executing whatever play Grubb calls.

The Bears have same problem, as you saw last night.

 

[keasley45]

What we do know:

1. Our offense was better at the start of the season, but didn't improve over the last 12 games, and ended with no TD and two field goals against the lowly Bears.
2. Geno had his moments at the beginning of the season, Geno of today is not as good.

What we speculate:

1. Coaches can do only so much, the best game-planning or play callings could be wasted by poor execution. This theory is widely adopted by the GeNOs.
2. Other than JSN's breakout year, most other offense players suffered a subpar year, that points to coaching. This theory is adopted by the Geno fanboys and media type like Dave Wyman? Mark Schlereth? Brock Huard? Sherm? Top Billin'?

This is simple and has been played out in front of our eyes for 3 years now. Waldron and Grubb fancied themselves great play designers. Neither has shown to be capable at situational play calling or adapting an approach over time as defenses adjust to what they sre doing.

AND, as a result, as the season goes on, our offense stagnates.

Under Shane, it was termed the Geno regression because Waldron's shortcomings werent criticized as often by most. But by the end of last yearx his in-game deficiencies and ability to grow a philosophy, particularly on the groundx became clear.

His canning in Chicago proved it beyond doubt.

Grubb, inexperienced from day one has taken us down a similar path.

Great coordinators have a coherent plan and grow it from a core set of plays and designs that serve as an identity. We have never done that. We have no identity. We have no philosophy. We have no balance,nor a coherent way of attacking a defense.

Defenses know what we dont know and beat us at what we do.

With no core philosophy from which to develop an approach and questionable judgement in situational instances, things logically get progressively worse as the season goes on.

Its no different than 2022 and 2023. The vice tightens. Holes disappear and windows get tighter. Time to throw decreases and the difficulty in completing passes goes up.

We have been here before.

Its not the players, its the scheme.

 

[kidhawk]

What part of the field are we talking about? Red zone Geno, between the twenties Oline and overall Grubb for not running enough.

If I have to pick a problem for me it would have to be scoring in the red zone and that is mostly a Geno problem.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

It's Grubb, his plays are so predictable and for some reason he cannot operate his offense from under center. He hasn't showed any fill for play calling, and always seems to call running plays when teams are blitzing.

Geno audibles out a lot and then shit hits the fan. Not to say it doesn’t otherwise but that audible to a blocking tight end makes me wonder if he activated his dipshit chakra

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Geno audibles out a lot and then shit hits the fan. Not to say it doesn’t otherwise but that audible to a blocking tight end makes me wonder if he activated his dipshit chakra

This very well maybe the case, but Grubb still is the problem. Along with an above average Qb.

 

[hawks85]

Grubb and Smith need to go. The reason Smith had that one good year is because there was ZERO tape on the dude, unless you go back 9 years ago. Last season and this season Smith is back on earth because there's current tape for teams to study now. Smith is horrible at adjustments. He's super predictable.

 

[Ozzy]

What part of the field are we talking about? Red zone Geno, between the twenties Oline and overall Grubb for not running enough.

If I have to pick a problem for me it would have to be scoring in the red zone and that is mostly a Geno problem.

This is the same for me. Stat wise the offense isn’t much different than last year. We even moved the ball really well against a great Minnesota defense. If Grubb is so bad it doesn’t add up for me that the numbers are what they are. I voted the line only because improve that and I think Grubb and Geno do look better.

I think everything listed needs improvement and I think you can make a reasonable argument for the line, Geno, Grubb or any combo you want.

 

[Shane Falco]

I think everything listed needs improvement and I think you can make a reasonable argument for the line, Geno, Grubb or any combo you want.

I totally agree with this statement. And for me, I'd rank it 1. Grubb, 2. Oline and 3. Geno.

And the reason I put the oline ahead of Geno is because it also affects the running game. But all three have been the problem this season to varying degrees.

 

[TwistedHusky]

You forgot to list 'Terrible RBs'.

Garbage-tier RBs make it much harder to field an effective offense.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Geno audibles out a lot and then shit hits the fan. Not to say it doesn’t otherwise but that audible to a blocking tight end makes me wonder if he activated his dipshit chakra

Audibles are preset, by the OC, depending on the look the D gives. They do not, however, have caveats for personnel. Personnel and formations aren't part of the QBs responsibilities. If the D gives you the look that the coaches setup the specific audible for, you check into it. You don't have time to assess personnel in that scenario. If they're on the field, they should be able to do their job.
I suspect most people know this and are being intentionally obtuse. If not, I don't know what to tell you

 

[flv2]

Question 1) You have the ball on your own 20 yard line. You want to score a TD with no game situation / time constraints. How do you achieve this?

a) a home run play / 2 or 3 chunk plays.
b) grind out a 12 play drive.
c) exploit a personnel mismatch with the opposition.
d) superior scheme.

Question 2) Who is/are the person/people who will fulfill your answer to Question 1?

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I know this is oversimplified but hopefully it'll point out wider issues rather than blaming 1 person or issue. The Seahawks don't have a home run threat other than Walker, (who has other limitations). The Seahawks don't have an O-Line that can consistently sustain 12 play drives. They also don't have 1 key skill player that can be a dominant focal point in 12 or more of the 17 games. Scheming without those things requires patience and smart players who work as a group to create and exploit opponents' mistakes. I don't really see that either.

I'd start with the O-Line, but even having a good O-Line might not be enough.

 

[NJlargent]

Our OL is the biggest problem. We have ignored it forever it seems and it's time to finally invest into it. We keep changing OC and complaining about them and the QB. You can't win 3 or 4 playoff games in a row without the ability to control the clock and run the ball and need a pass rush that's decent at worst. We have neither except for cat.

 

[Cyrus12]

A good oline solves a lot of issues and it would very interesting to see if it's grubb or geno at that point.

 

[keasley45]

A good oline solves a lot of issues and it would very interesting to see if it's grubb or geno at that point.

Given Grubb did very little to mitigate the fact that our line was maligned when there were rather simple adjustments he could have made to help things, I'd say assuming there's some wealth of production and ingenuity to come from him 'if we just get bettet linemen' is wishful thinking.

Just my opinion though.

 

[nwHawk]

Overall talent is up there for me. Case in point, “our loaded wide receivers room this year” - didn’t really materialize. K9 looks like a deer in headlights on a lot of his runs, and Geno with pressure or in pressure situations like the red zone. Grubbs lack of run calls.

The offensive line is getting better, but has miles to go and needs upgrades.

All in all, we are fans and sometimes we over hype our team. The offensive talent is not as good as some people think and it might take a couple of seasons to fix. I love the direction this defense is taking.

 

[Pickly]

Well IMO it’s a combination of everything mentioned in the poll. Until they develop an even adequate line let alone an elite one every quarterback the put out there is going to struggle at times against elite defensive teams.

For sure, they need to start taking shots at QB’s in the draft. But, imagine throwing out a greenhorn college kid with the offensive lines the Hawks have been putting out there the last decade? It’d be suicide and lead to 3-4 win seasons.

Get an offensive coordinator who’ll call plays to the strengths of what he has. Grubb has proven he cannot adjust in game let alone in season as the O has regressed for weeks on end now. The only saving grace moving forwards is with coach Mac we will at least have a top 15 if not better D moving forwards.