Pete: Pocic has won the LG competition

[getnasty]

The bigger question does he have a shot at RG when Joeckal gets back? Go to know they fill good about him on the left side in the future

 

[DJrmb]

PFF rankings are complete and total BS. Listen to ANYBODY that coaches or is in the front office when that topic comes up in interviews. PFF has no idea what assignments lineman are supposed to have or how successful they are with that assignment. They assign grades somewhat arbitrarily. This is actually true of multiple positions (like a couple of years ago when Williams gave up 2 TDs in one game, he admitted they were both is fault, Pete said the same thing, and PFF gave Kam Chancellor a horrible score for giving those two plays up when they clearly weren't his fault).

What we do know are FACTS. For example Pocic has allowed three QB pressures in two games. That is a much much lower percentage than anybody else on the line this season (including Britt and it blows the doors off of Joeckel's pressure percentage).

So there is that.

Yes, that is the current herd opinion when it comes to PFF. However, they aren't doing anything less than what scouts have done for Years... How do you think scouts evaluate college players coming into the NFL (where there are way more players to scout)? They watch the tape and grade them. Sound familiar? The people they have employed at PFF are former coaches, scouts, and players from the NFL. Again as I already said it's not perfect (Just like scouting is not perfect) but I don't hear anyone arguing that scouting college players is "total BS" and worthless. If that's the case then NFL teams sure waste a hell of a lot of money for something 100% worthless. PFF is not as BS as what has been going around lately, but it's also not the end all be all either. It's simply a piece to the puzzle to help in evaluating a players performance. I'll leave part of this article that has some decent points both ways (for and against) but this stood out because of the "arbitrary grading comment":

Collinsworth said the criticism has helped the company, that “by the time that you get beat up by GMs and players and coaches and fans and everybody when they think you’ve made a mistake, that hardens you. That makes you a better system.” His 350 employees, he said, “watch more plays of football than any coach in the NFL … because at some point, those coaches have to go out on the field and coach, and my guys are still in there watching film.”

His company has hired former NFL figures, including longtime assistant coach Gunther Cunningham, former Redskins lineman Will Montgomery, and former Redskins assistant Bobby Slowik, who since has returned to coaching. Analyses are checked and cross-checked and re-checked; Collinsworth said he has seen single plays debated for 15 minutes, and that “if there’s any ambiguity at all” on a particular play, analysts are told not to downgrade a player. Longtime Bengals offensive line coach Paul Alexander last season reviewed about 600 plays where PFF had downgraded one of his blockers; he told company founder Neil Hornsby that he disagreed with perhaps 12, “which is pretty remarkable,” Alexander said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/09/20/__trashed/?utm_term=.d3330064116a

As for Joeckel>Pocic my opinion is based on what I've seen on game days, combined with what coaches have said, and what things like PFF have said. Not any 1 of them do I take to be gospel, but they all factor into my opinion. Pocic has been one of the 5 best lineman on this team since the preseason. I completely agree with that and they should have been starting him somewhere from the beginning. However, Joeckel has not been the problem at LG, he's actually played decent there and I believe better than Pocic would have fared against the same competition. Lets not forget that Houston's D-line is completely decimated by injury. Glowinksi, who's looked like garbage most of the season and lost his job at RT, looked decent in that game too when he was in.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

To be fair Pocic is the interim LG and beat out Glowinski, not Joeckel. Joeckel is still the better player when healthy at LG. So Cable got it right, at least at that position. There's still the argument that Pocic should have been the starter at RG all season though...

It still took 11 games to figure out his best players.
As far as Joeckel > Pocic....you know this how?

It's an opinion just like 99% of what people write here on .net, however it also happens to line up with PFF rankings. Granted they are not perfect but it's the best thing we as fans have to go off other than trusting the coaches decisions (which clearly had Joeckel>Pocic).

PFF so far this season:

Joeckel: 47.9

Pocic: 33.7

PFF rankings are complete and total BS. Listen to ANYBODY that coaches or is in the front office when that topic comes up in interviews. PFF has no idea what assignments lineman are supposed to have or how successful they are with that assignment. They assign grades somewhat arbitrarily. This is actually true of multiple positions (like a couple of years ago when Williams gave up 2 TDs in one game, he admitted they were both is fault, Pete said the same thing, and PFF gave Kam Chancellor a horrible score for giving those two plays up when they clearly weren't his fault).

What we do know are FACTS. For example Pocic has allowed three QB pressures in two games. That is a much much lower percentage than anybody else on the line this season (including Britt and it blows the doors off of Joeckel's pressure percentage).

So there is that.

So the former coaches, scouts and NFL players don't know what the assignments are so their scores mean nothing.

But what fan #2436324623 regurgitates in regards to Pocic's pressures and assignments is unquestionably accurate.

Makes sense.

 

[Seafan]

No shit Tom, what's your next clue?

That only took 11 games (including pre season) for you to figure out.

Cable is so predictable, I called this in pre season (5 games minimum for him to figure out his best players).

Once again, better late than never. Too bad it took an injury for him to stumble upon this wealth of talent evaluation.

I wonder how the competition between Brown and Odhiambo is going?

It didn't take anyone 11 weeks. The comp was between Glow and Ethan and it was essentially one week.

 

[Seymour]

No shit Tom, what's your next clue?

That only took 11 games (including pre season) for you to figure out.

Cable is so predictable, I called this in pre season (5 games minimum for him to figure out his best players).

Once again, better late than never. Too bad it took an injury for him to stumble upon this wealth of talent evaluation.

I wonder how the competition between Brown and Odhiambo is going?

It didn't take anyone 11 weeks. The comp was between Glow and Ethan and it was essentially one week.

What do you think training camp and pre-season was used for?

Pocic was listed as the #4 guard on the team. ukeface:

 

[Seafan]

This post was about the LG position and you claimed it took 11 weeks which is wrong.

Joeckel won the job early and it only took about a week to determine between two players who would replace him after he had surgery,

 

[Seymour]

This post was about the LG position and you claimed it took 11 weeks which is wrong.

Joeckel won the job early and it only took about a week to determine between two players who would replace him after he had surgery,

My post was correct, and this thread is about Pocic winning "the LG competition".

My gripe is about piss poor player evaluation. It takes game after game on film for Cable to figure out his top players. Pocic was well behind on the depth chart after pre-season (#2 C, #4 G). They got him wrong, now he is closer to where he belongs.
Several of us said this and griped that he should be starting somewhere, and after Joeckel gets back (if), Pocic likely will start somewhere else. Stay tuned for that.

 

[RussB]

Knew hed get it. I was impressed with him. I think Joekel will be gone now hes getting paid too much.

No significant saving in cutting him

We can achieve the same saving not dressing him and keep him on the roster as backup

I meant next season, he probably wont be getting resigned.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Wish we would move him to RT.

Brown, Odi,Britt,Ifedi,Pocic

 

[LudwigsDrummer]

Some great points.
I don't resort to blaming Cable. I trust that his boss knows who is best for that position.
Cable is from Gibbs coaching tree. Wasn't Gibbs one of Pete's 1st coaching hires or attempt to hire?

 

[Seafan]

Knew hed get it. I was impressed with him. I think Joekel will be gone now hes getting paid too much.

No significant saving in cutting him

We can achieve the same saving not dressing him and keep him on the roster as backup

I meant next season, he probably wont be getting resigned.

He wouldn't be playing if Joekel hadn't had surgery. Cable got it right in preseason.

 

[AgentDib]

Reading a bit too much into "Pocic for now will be the left guard" IMO.

It's great they have Pocic to plug in for an injured starter and that we have veterans at both LT and C now to ease the transition for a rookie LG. I'm sure we'll all be rooting that Pocic plays too well to not be starting somewhere in December but let's not put the cart in front of the horse too far here.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Reading a bit too much into "Pocic for now will be the left guard" IMO.

I don't really think it's a stretch to say that it's a step up from "Pocic will be rotating with Mark Glowinski."

 

[JGfromtheNW]

Reading a bit too much into "Pocic for now will be the left guard" IMO.

I don't really think it's a stretch to say that it's a step up from "Pocic will be rotating with Mark Glowinski."

I think Agent is just referring to Pocic being the starter until Joeckel is back and competing for the position again. It's definitely a step up from Pocic will be rotating/competing with Glow for the spot, though, no doubt.

Pocic is going to be an interesting case going forward and I'm pretty excited to see what our line looks like next year with Brown, Britt and then the young guys being locks to still be on the roster. What we do with Joeckel/Aboushi will really shape what our line looks like IMO.

If the coaches really do value experience on the o-line and we somehow bring one or both of them back, Pocic might have a hard time breaking into the starting lineup. If one of Joeckel/Aboushi goes, I'm guessing Pocic starts at whatever Guard position is left vacant next season. If both Joeckel and Aboushi move on, I think we're going to see serious reshuffling as our depth really falls off after Pocic right now IMO. The reshuffle could see Ifedi moving inside to RG and Pocic (who I believe has better technique) kicks out to the RT position. The reshuffle could see Ifedi staying at RT while Pocic and (hopefully not) Glow get plugged in at LG and RG.

Only time will tell, but Pocic is pretty promising and I've believed all the hype on him since we drafted him. The consensus was that he was one of the most polished/technically skilled o-lineman in the country with ridiculous pass blocking stats (as in good ones) playing in the SEC which means he was going up against NFL caliber players regularly.