Pete Carroll on the Brink

[Flyingsquad23]

Hawks suck, they should fire everyone and sell the team to blowhard Bezos so Pitt can watch the owner make every move and then tell everyone he made every move. Then convince all the players to lose on purpose so they can draft #1 every year….then they will be awesome and actually contend for the SB every year by being the only team capable of winning 4 in a row in the playoffs…
You’ve convinced me…this is the only way any NFL team can succeed.

 

[LTH]

JA is not a football guru... The best thing she can do is have good people around her.. How you can look at Carrolls record and say since he was given ultimate control and say he hasn't been heard of since? I, going to buy you some glasses because you are blind... with the exception of Reed and Bilicheck Carroll has the best record among active coaches...

Just like last year when you said the D was the worst in NFL history they turned it around and were good enough to win the division over the Rams they were not the worst in NFL history they were a very competitive defense that ranked umong the best in the second half of the season... You just dont get it... Its really easy to sit back and nit pick and second guess but if you really understood whats going on and understood Carrolls process then you might have a different view...

Look I understand Loses can be emotionally hard... they are for everybody but its what makes the wins that much more special...

If you went to the detroit Lions and told them we will give you a coach who will make you competitive for the SB every year for 11-12 years do you think they would turn that down? I doubt it...


LTH

No Jody Allen is not a football guru so are we supposed to christen her a good owner because she delegated her responsibilities to others? Thats my point. When the big decisions need to be made, its not the owner thats making them rather its the head coach. Thats not an ideal situation.

The defense was historically bad until Pete addressed the pass rush issue midway through the season instead of addressing it at the beginning when he should have. Also, the defense only started to look better when they started to play their stretch of cream puff opponents with back up and average QBs. Again, how many teams above .500 did Seattle beat last season? Watching that unfold was an easy assessment of how good the team really was, but the rose colored glasses wearing fans got caught up with those wins and thought they were actual contenders for some reason. Happens all the time around here it seems. By the way, how is the defense doing this season?

You said,"
No Jody Allen is not a football guru so are we supposed to christen her a good owner because she delegated her responsibilities to others? Thats my point. When the big decisions need to be made, its not the owner thats making them rather its the head coach. Thats not an ideal situation.

Yes a good manager should delegate to others especially when "others" might know more than the manager or in this case the owner... Ive done that several times in my career it doesn't make you a bad manager it just makes you smart. .its not the owners job to make personal decisions or football decisions owners make decisions like resigning PC what makes you think JA makes any decision by her self she has many people around her helping its not all Pete Carroll..

You said,

"The defense was historically bad until Pete addressed the pass rush issue midway through the season instead of addressing it at the beginning when he should have.

Things don't always go as planned so that's why there is a process. Maybe they thought they were going to get a FA and it didn't happen. Maybe they thought DT was going to be ready we don't exactly know what happened.. but to say they didn't address the pass rush is making an assumption with out all the facts something this board is really good at. The bottom line is they made the personal changes that were necessary and they won the division title and the D was way better than worst in NFL history... you were wrong...pure and simple

You said"
If I was the Detroit Lions, sure I would want a coach that would make the team competitive for a Super Bowl for 11 to 12 years. Pete Carroll certainly isnt that coach. years now. They cant even get out of the second round and this season will be more of the same.

What is your definition of competing for the SB they made the playoffs for 5-6 of those years isn't the playoffs competing for the SB? again your wrong...


LTH

When the owner (or manager in your case) delegates ultimate power to somebody else, then they probably dont have any business being in that position to start with. They should at least have the insight or vision in what direction their team should be headed in. JA took over the team as a favor to her brother and only sees things in black and red. I'd rather have an owner that knows a QB from a hole in the ground and holds the coach and front office accountable when needed. As of right now, Pete Carroll is the owner of the Seahawks even if his name isnt on the door.

The defense last year? Come on. Its Pete wanting and signing that big, shiny luxury pick in Adams that was the biggest issue. They didnt need a safety, they needed pass rushers. Pete thought rushing Adams would make up for the crap pass rush and it didnt. He had to get Dunlap midway through because he had no other choice at that point. They improved due to the weak schedule and they dug themselves out of the history books but they still werent good. Here we are into the 2nd season with Adams and a supposedly improved group and they are still the worst defense in the NFL. No, I wasnt wrong.

Is making the playoffs and getting bounced in the early rounds actually competing for SBs? Competing for a SB is fielding a team that has a legit chance of getting there once they make the post season. Seattle hasent been one of those teams since 2014. Seattle has been first round, maybe 2nd round, fodder for years now. The Seahawks are the team that the other NFC teams want to play in the playoffs. The biggest misconception on this board is that if a team makes it to the post season, they are automatically legit contenders and thats just not true. Yes, it happened to the Giants once, but that was a fairytale season that is so unlikely to happen again that people shouldnt even acknowledge it. The issue here is that your understanding of the word contenders is misconstrued when talking about the Seahawks and being legit threats for the SB. Just because they make the post season, that doesnt mean they are contenders once there. Again, not wrong.

So again it comes down to the definition of success. I can see that Carroll is not meeting your expectation and that is fine I have no problem with that part of your argument... but consider this; do you think Carroll is meeting his expectation? They expect to be in the SB every year? we disagree on this issue as they are not meeting my expectation.. But I do recognize they are having success despite all of the issues they have to deal with... If Jody A. got rid of Carroll the very best case scenario would be 2- 3 down years to collect players through the draft to even get to where Carroll is now, as u destroy and rebuild a whole organization from the ground up. Carroll doesn't have but a few more years on his contract it would be monumentally foolish to rebuild now IMO especially because where the organization is at right now.

Carroll IMO is clearly a victim of his own success. Because they are picking in the bottom of the draft every year and all the other teams have the opportunity to pick better players than the Hawks but still Carroll's team is better than 80% or better of all the other teams... because they can not get the high talent players through the draft they have to take chances on players like Taylor or DK or trade their picks for guys like Jamal A who by the way was a big reason why the Hawks won the division last year... sometimes it doesn't work out some times it does... it takes time and patience to bring along the young guys to the point where they are competitive against top talent in this league especially when they are coaching up guys that are playing over there heads like Jones...

as far as Jody A. the only reason you don't like her is because she re signed Carroll and from a business perspective that was a very wise thing to do..





LTH

 

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Hawks suck, they should fire everyone and sell the team to blowhard Bezos so Pitt can watch the owner make every move and then tell everyone he made every move. Then convince all the players to lose on purpose so they can draft #1 every year….then they will be awesome and actually contend for the SB every year by being the only team capable of winning 4 in a row in the playoffs…
You’ve convinced me…this is the only way any NFL team can succeed.

The Hawks are pretty good actually. Norton/Carroll have been passed by, and it's hurting the team. Pete must produce results this year, or it's going to get ugly for him.


[tweet]https://twitter.com/SONTSeattle/status/1445614279026114564[/tweet]

 

[chris98251]

JA is not a football guru... The best thing she can do is have good people around her.. How you can look at Carrolls record and say since he was given ultimate control and say he hasn't been heard of since? I, going to buy you some glasses because you are blind... with the exception of Reed and Bilicheck Carroll has the best record among active coaches...

Just like last year when you said the D was the worst in NFL history they turned it around and were good enough to win the division over the Rams they were not the worst in NFL history they were a very competitive defense that ranked umong the best in the second half of the season... You just dont get it... Its really easy to sit back and nit pick and second guess but if you really understood whats going on and understood Carrolls process then you might have a different view...

Look I understand Loses can be emotionally hard... they are for everybody but its what makes the wins that much more special...

If you went to the detroit Lions and told them we will give you a coach who will make you competitive for the SB every year for 11-12 years do you think they would turn that down? I doubt it...


LTH

No Jody Allen is not a football guru so are we supposed to christen her a good owner because she delegated her responsibilities to others? Thats my point. When the big decisions need to be made, its not the owner thats making them rather its the head coach. Thats not an ideal situation.

The defense was historically bad until Pete addressed the pass rush issue midway through the season instead of addressing it at the beginning when he should have. Also, the defense only started to look better when they started to play their stretch of cream puff opponents with back up and average QBs. Again, how many teams above .500 did Seattle beat last season? Watching that unfold was an easy assessment of how good the team really was, but the rose colored glasses wearing fans got caught up with those wins and thought they were actual contenders for some reason. Happens all the time around here it seems. By the way, how is the defense doing this season?

You said,"
No Jody Allen is not a football guru so are we supposed to christen her a good owner because she delegated her responsibilities to others? Thats my point. When the big decisions need to be made, its not the owner thats making them rather its the head coach. Thats not an ideal situation.

Yes a good manager should delegate to others especially when "others" might know more than the manager or in this case the owner... Ive done that several times in my career it doesn't make you a bad manager it just makes you smart. .its not the owners job to make personal decisions or football decisions owners make decisions like resigning PC what makes you think JA makes any decision by her self she has many people around her helping its not all Pete Carroll..

You said,

"The defense was historically bad until Pete addressed the pass rush issue midway through the season instead of addressing it at the beginning when he should have.

Things don't always go as planned so that's why there is a process. Maybe they thought they were going to get a FA and it didn't happen. Maybe they thought DT was going to be ready we don't exactly know what happened.. but to say they didn't address the pass rush is making an assumption with out all the facts something this board is really good at. The bottom line is they made the personal changes that were necessary and they won the division title and the D was way better than worst in NFL history... you were wrong...pure and simple

You said"
If I was the Detroit Lions, sure I would want a coach that would make the team competitive for a Super Bowl for 11 to 12 years. Pete Carroll certainly isnt that coach. years now. They cant even get out of the second round and this season will be more of the same.

What is your definition of competing for the SB they made the playoffs for 5-6 of those years isn't the playoffs competing for the SB? again your wrong...


LTH

When the owner (or manager in your case) delegates ultimate power to somebody else, then they probably dont have any business being in that position to start with. They should at least have the insight or vision in what direction their team should be headed in. JA took over the team as a favor to her brother and only sees things in black and red. I'd rather have an owner that knows a QB from a hole in the ground and holds the coach and front office accountable when needed. As of right now, Pete Carroll is the owner of the Seahawks even if his name isnt on the door.

The defense last year? Come on. Its Pete wanting and signing that big, shiny luxury pick in Adams that was the biggest issue. They didnt need a safety, they needed pass rushers. Pete thought rushing Adams would make up for the crap pass rush and it didnt. He had to get Dunlap midway through because he had no other choice at that point. They improved due to the weak schedule and they dug themselves out of the history books but they still werent good. Here we are into the 2nd season with Adams and a supposedly improved group and they are still the worst defense in the NFL. No, I wasnt wrong.

Is making the playoffs and getting bounced in the early rounds actually competing for SBs? Competing for a SB is fielding a team that has a legit chance of getting there once they make the post season. Seattle hasent been one of those teams since 2014. Seattle has been first round, maybe 2nd round, fodder for years now. The Seahawks are the team that the other NFC teams want to play in the playoffs. The biggest misconception on this board is that if a team makes it to the post season, they are automatically legit contenders and thats just not true. Yes, it happened to the Giants once, but that was a fairytale season that is so unlikely to happen again that people shouldnt even acknowledge it. The issue here is that your understanding of the word contenders is misconstrued when talking about the Seahawks and being legit threats for the SB. Just because they make the post season, that doesnt mean they are contenders once there. Again, not wrong.

But she does know the game, her and Paul big Husky fans and one of their pastimes was going to the games together. Sounds like many are going into the she hits like a Girl mentality because she is female and can't possibly understand complex things like football and Politics right..

 

[pittpnthrs]

Paul was not a football guru either, he was a entrepreneur, he just wanted to understand the operation process, he hired Gurus to run the aspects of the team and then report to him and had a process for decision elevation such as big contracts hiring Coaches and Gm's as well as Football operations in business aspect executives.

How is this any Different then Jody, Vulcan was involved with Paul as they are with Jody in team management.

You answered your own question in your post. Paul was at least interested in the operations and was involved. You would see Paul on the sidelines before games and so forth. Jody isnt interested in the least and is absent the majority of the time. She could care less unless they started to lose money.

 

[chris98251]

Paul was not a football guru either, he was a entrepreneur, he just wanted to understand the operation process, he hired Gurus to run the aspects of the team and then report to him and had a process for decision elevation such as big contracts hiring Coaches and Gm's as well as Football operations in business aspect executives.

How is this any Different then Jody, Vulcan was involved with Paul as they are with Jody in team management.

You answered your own question in your post. Paul was at least interested in the operations and was involved. You would see Paul on the sidelines before games and so forth. Jody isnt interested in the least and is absent the majority of the time. She could care less unless they started to lose money.

Thats an opinion, you have no facts to support any of that, not like she can just pop into the locker room at a whim, well she could but I think she has more class. Also she can watch practice and games from their boxes and offices.

Mrs Ford was not on the field either much except for phot ops mostly also, not saying we are the Lions either. Or do you want her to be like the Schott lady in Cinncy who owned the Reds, that was a special kind of special wasn't it.

 

[pittpnthrs]

So again it comes down to the definition of success. I can see that Carroll is not meeting your expectation and that is fine I have no problem with that part of your argument... but consider this; do you think Carroll is meeting his expectation? They expect to be in the SB every year? we disagree on this issue as they are not meeting my expectation.. But I do recognize they are having success despite all of the issues they have to deal with... If Jody A. got rid of Carroll the very best case scenario would be 2- 3 down years to collect players through the draft to even get to where Carroll is now, as u destroy and rebuild a whole organization from the ground up. Carroll doesn't have but a few more years on his contract it would be monumentally foolish to rebuild now IMO especially because where the organization is at right now.

Carroll IMO is clearly a victim of his own success. Because they are picking in the bottom of the draft every year and all the other teams have the opportunity to pick better players than the Hawks but still Carroll's team is better than 80% or better of all the other teams... because they can not get the high talent players through the draft they have to take chances on players like Taylor or DK or trade their picks for guys like Jamal A who by the way was a big reason why the Hawks won the division last year... sometimes it doesn't work out some times it does... it takes time and patience to bring along the young guys to the point where they are competitive against top talent in this league especially when they are coaching up guys that are playing over there heads like Jones...

as far as Jody A. the only reason you don't like her is because she re signed Carroll and from a business perspective that was a very wise thing to do..
LTH

You are right about peoples different outlooks when it comes to defining success. Many label a good regular season and making the playoffs a success even when they lose consistently in the early rounds. I dont. I see that as a repeating failure. When a team has a top 5 HOF QB, they should be able to get to a conference championship game once in awhile even if they dont win. I would much rather miss the playoffs a few years and see them show some type of post season improvement every so often. Put it this way, if Pete Carroll can take Seattle past the second round of the playoffs in his remaining tenure, he would quiet my criticism. I just dont think he's capable of that. Thats where i'm standing so naturally, i'm ready for change now regardless of the outcome.

Carroll being a victim of his own success has merit. My issue with the whole drafting thing is that I dont trust him drafting regardless of where the picks fall. Take last season for example, already hamstrung for picks due to the Adams trade, Pete picks a 3rd receiver in Eskridge instead of Humphrey even after Wilson publicly complained about the offensive line. Now Seattles offensive line is still weak at the center position and Eskridge isnt even playing and the offense isnt missing him at all. Meanwhile Creed is starting in KC protecting the best QB in the league. Its moves like that which are common place and makes it all so frustrating. Add in the 1st round whiffs and you wonder if it even matters where the team drafts.

I dont dislike Jody Allen (dont know her), but I just dont think she's a good owner. She's uninterested and signed a 70 year old coach to a 5 year extension and gave him ultimate power because she doesnt want to be bothered with it.

 

[pittpnthrs]

But she does know the game, her and Paul big Husky fans and one of their pastimes was going to the games together. Sounds like many are going into the she hits like a Girl mentality because she is female and can't possibly understand complex things like football and Politics right..

Your sexism comments are tired and lazy. You can stop doing that already. I could care less if the owner is a female, male, or even an alien. I just want an owner that holds the coach and FO accountable. Jody Allen doesnt do that.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Thats an opinion, you have no facts to support any of that, not like she can just pop into the locker room at a whim, well she could but I think she has more class. Also she can watch practice and games from their boxes and offices.

Mrs Ford was not on the field either much except for phot ops mostly also, not saying we are the Lions either. Or do you want her to be like the Schott lady in Cinncy who owned the Reds, that was a special kind of special wasn't it.

But does she watch the games and practices from her box and office? Nobody knows because she's a complete recluse. She shows no interest at all.

 

[cymatica]

I don't see poor coaching , I don't know why he should change a scheme that he believes in and has been so successful with.

Let me help you out.

- 32nd ranked defense in the league, with multiple probowlers and all-pros is poor coaching.

- Failing to disguise coverages on 92% of the snaps (a league high), and the direct opposite of what the best defenses in the NFL are doing is poor coaching.

- Failing to develop day 1 & day 2 draft picks (The bulk of where starting players come from.) Poor coaching.

- The defense hasn't been top 10 in over half a decade (an eternity in the NFL.) There will be some down years sure, it happens. But the Norton/Carroll combo has been an abject failure. The same problems keep cropping up under them season after season. Giving them more time isn't bearing any fruit, and if anything it seems to be getting worse. Poor coaching.

- The Coach admitted a couple of games ago that they are still trying to figure out how to use Jamal Adams. Poor coaching.

- Loaded up on a bunch of runstuffers at all levels of the defense, can't stop the run. Poor coaching.

- Ken Norton had a trend of not getting interceptions as the DC down in Oakland, and it has infected the Seahawks. Poor Coaching.

- New players both rookies and vets play their best when first inserted into the lineup and then begin to regress over time. Poor coaching.

- Ryan Neal, get him on the field more. Poor Coaching. Playing bad players (Flowers), while sitting good players (Neal). Poor coaching.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/1445525351556284426[/tweet]

They've squeezed all of the juice they can out of this turnip, it's just been diminishing returns for YEARS. Without a HoF QB carrying dead bodies over the finish line, they would be one of the worst teams in the NFL, due to how poorly coached on defense they are.

That isn't even getting into the personnel & management mistakes, like paying a QB's ransom for a box safety, or keeping Ken Norton as the DC. Just strictly looking at coaching here.

This is the biggest red flag. How can they not disguise coverage when literally every other team does it? Not just the best defenses, but every single one understands this. How does this not get brought up ever? I swear this is why they make average or bad qbs look like Tom Brady and they are able to get the ball out very fast to an open receiver more often than not.

 

[Fade]

I don't see poor coaching , I don't know why he should change a scheme that he believes in and has been so successful with.

Let me help you out.

- 32nd ranked defense in the league, with multiple probowlers and all-pros is poor coaching.

- Failing to disguise coverages on 92% of the snaps (a league high), and the direct opposite of what the best defenses in the NFL are doing is poor coaching.

- Failing to develop day 1 & day 2 draft picks (The bulk of where starting players come from.) Poor coaching.

- The defense hasn't been top 10 in over half a decade (an eternity in the NFL.) There will be some down years sure, it happens. But the Norton/Carroll combo has been an abject failure. The same problems keep cropping up under them season after season. Giving them more time isn't bearing any fruit, and if anything it seems to be getting worse. Poor coaching.

- The Coach admitted a couple of games ago that they are still trying to figure out how to use Jamal Adams. Poor coaching.

- Loaded up on a bunch of runstuffers at all levels of the defense, can't stop the run. Poor coaching.

- Ken Norton had a trend of not getting interceptions as the DC down in Oakland, and it has infected the Seahawks. Poor Coaching.

- New players both rookies and vets play their best when first inserted into the lineup and then begin to regress over time. Poor coaching.

- Ryan Neal, get him on the field more. Poor Coaching. Playing bad players (Flowers), while sitting good players (Neal). Poor coaching.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/1445525351556284426[/tweet]

They've squeezed all of the juice they can out of this turnip, it's just been diminishing returns for YEARS. Without a HoF QB carrying dead bodies over the finish line, they would be one of the worst teams in the NFL, due to how poorly coached on defense they are.

That isn't even getting into the personnel & management mistakes, like paying a QB's ransom for a box safety, or keeping Ken Norton as the DC. Just strictly looking at coaching here.

This is the biggest red flag. How can they not disguise coverage when literally every other team does it? Not just the best defenses, but every single one understands this. How does this not get brought up ever? I swear this is why they make average or bad qbs look like Tom Brady and they are able to get the ball out very fast to an open receiver more often than not.

Yes. It greatly makes it harder to rush the passer. The object on defense in passing situations is to confuse the QB, force him to hold the ball, then sack him, or fool him and have him throw it to your guys. The Seahawks do the opposite, telegraphing what they are doing at a by far league high. Giving the QB easy reads, and a wide open check down if he gets into trouble. Poor coaching.

 

[Fade]

There is also the view that Pete and company are on the Brink of another winning season.

Inspite of Pete's inability to build and coach a defense, yes. Russell Wilson is going to have to carry Pete on his back another season, that will end with another playoff dud, thanks Pete.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SONTSeattle/status/1445614279026114564[/tweet]

Cowherd chimes in:
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Your really down on Carroll for the D but you must admit you liked the off season additions to the D...you had no problems with what they did on the D line... I'm at a loss that you don't have the patience to let the coaching staff work out what's going on at corner and


LTH

Let me stop you right there.

How does that fix their run defense and the litany of coaching issues they have on defense? The defense has an array of problems that goes beyond 1 corner.

How can you have so much faith in the Norton/Carroll combo, when they keep getting statistically worse every year, with no signs of slowing down?

Does the franchise have to be a smoldering pile of rubble before you think a change needs to be made, what is your breaking point?

Here is where I'm at. Pete has this year. If he doesn't turn the defense around, and ends up producing the same results, I'm done. It won't just be me either, the bulk of the fanbase will be calling for his head. He had YEARS to build this team, talking about patience is laughable at this juncture. He has this year. People are on the verge right now of calling for his head and the early rumblings have just started, the 49ers win calmed things down, but it will be back on in no time if the defense continues to set records of ineptitude. It is palpable at this point.

 

[chris98251]

But she does know the game, her and Paul big Husky fans and one of their pastimes was going to the games together. Sounds like many are going into the she hits like a Girl mentality because she is female and can't possibly understand complex things like football and Politics right..

Your sexism comments are tired and lazy. You can stop doing that already. I could care less if the owner is a female, male, or even an alien. I just want an owner that holds the coach and FO accountable. Jody Allen doesnt do that.

I am not the one stating an opinion as if it is fact...................

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You mean like the OPINIONS, not facts, that the Hawks basically have no shot tonight? :?

 

[toffee]

There is also the view that Pete and company are on the Brink of another winning season.

Inspite of Pete's inability to build and coach a defense, yes. Russell Wilson is going to have to carry Pete on his back another season, that will end with another playoff dud, thanks Pete.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SONTSeattle/status/1445614279026114564[/tweet]

Cowherd chimes in:
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Your really down on Carroll for the D but you must admit you liked the off season additions to the D...you had no problems with what they did on the D line... I'm at a loss that you don't have the patience to let the coaching staff work out what's going on at corner and


LTH

Let me stop you right there.

How does that fix their run defense and the litany of coaching issues they have on defense? The defense has an array of problems that goes beyond 1 corner.

How can you have so much faith in the Norton/Carroll combo, when they keep getting statistically worse every year, with no signs of slowing down?

Does the franchise have to be a smoldering pile of rubble before you think a change needs to be made, what is your breaking point?

Here is where I'm at. Pete has this year. If he doesn't turn the defense around, and ends up producing the same results, I'm done. It won't just be me either, the bulk of the fanbase will be calling for his head. He had YEARS to build this team, talking about patience is laughable at this juncture. He has this year. People are on the verge right now of calling for his head and the early rumblings have just started, the 49ers win calmed things down, but it will be back on in no time if the defense continues to set records of ineptitude. It is palpable at this point.

Agreed, if Pete couldn't turn the defense around, he couldn't finish his contract. But he plot thickens if the offense carries the team deep into the playoff. As the owner, do you really want to sign a one year OC as your next HC?

 

[LTH]

But she does know the game, her and Paul big Husky fans and one of their pastimes was going to the games together. Sounds like many are going into the she hits like a Girl mentality because she is female and can't possibly understand complex things like football and Politics right..

Your sexism comments are tired and lazy. You can stop doing that already. I could care less if the owner is a female, male, or even an alien. I just want an owner that holds the coach and FO accountable. Jody Allen doesnt do that.

I am not the one stating an opinion as if it is fact...................

They are being accountable just not to your opinion... so what does that say? That says the front office doesn't view PC the way you do... The Seahawks sell out almost all of their games and before covid had a 7% growth in revenue so that says that the majority of people don't agree with your assessment.


LTH

 

[LTH]

There is also the view that Pete and company are on the Brink of another winning season.

Inspite of Pete's inability to build and coach a defense, yes. Russell Wilson is going to have to carry Pete on his back another season, that will end with another playoff dud, thanks Pete.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SONTSeattle/status/1445614279026114564[/tweet]

Cowherd chimes in:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ECSN206/status/1445811880946114575[/tweet]

Your really down on Carroll for the D but you must admit you liked the off season additions to the D...you had no problems with what they did on the D line... I'm at a loss that you don't have the patience to let the coaching staff work out what's going on at corner and


LTH

Let me stop you right there.

How does that fix their run defense and the litany of coaching issues they have on defense? The defense has an array of problems that goes beyond 1 corner.

How can you have so much faith in the Norton/Carroll combo, when they keep getting statistically worse every year, with no signs of slowing down?

Does the franchise have to be a smoldering pile of rubble before you think a change needs to be made, what is your breaking point?

Here is where I'm at. Pete has this year. If he doesn't turn the defense around, and ends up producing the same results, I'm done. It won't just be me either, the bulk of the fanbase will be calling for his head. He had YEARS to build this team, talking about patience is laughable at this juncture. He has this year. People are on the verge right now of calling for his head and the early rumblings have just started, the 49ers win calmed things down, but it will be back on in no time if the defense continues to set records of ineptitude. It is palpable at this point.

I want to have this conversation with you I just don't have time today... so I an not blowing off this post I just have to work... so I will address this when I get some time. please look for my reply in the next couple of days

LTH

 

[Maelstrom787]

Fade using Cowherd as support now?

Whewwwwww lord

 

[OrangeGravy]

Fade using Cowherd as support now?

Whewwwwww lord

Is anyone surprised at this point with what comes out of Cowherd's mouth concerning the Seahawks? He and Russell share the same talent agency. I assume almost everything he says about Seattle is coming from Russell's agent

 

[Stoic_coach]

Jesus christ. I just found this place and thought it would be a great place to discuss football..

But is seems to be filled with spoiled people that just doen't understand football history or the realities of the NFL.

Under Carroll we have a 629w%, made two Super Bowls, won the only one in franchise history, and in 11 full seasons only missed the playoffs twice.

If there is one thing that consistently wins in the league where you are not supposed to consistently win, its culture. And that's what Pete is best at.