Pete Carroll on the Brink

[JustTheTip]

And I’m sure Pete evaluates himself regularly, he has earned his place and the right to make this call. These so called weaknesses of his game can be seen in every single coach past and present at a given point in time. Hell I watch winning coaches mess up time management every single week. Being strong in your conviction with your philosophy is a positive to me, the coaches that change up their philosophy on a whim don’t have winning records and don’t last 12 seasons.

No he hasn't. He may have that right, but he sure as shit isn't earning it right now and in fact is abusing it. Self-evaluates?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

:snack:

 

[Flyingsquad23]

How do you think super successful people get that way…honest self evaluation. And his record says he has earned his spot and the right to decide when he goes. If…if he has consecutive losing seasons then the decision will be made for him.

Seems as though I’m not the only one with this opinion. The brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world seem to have the same thoughts. They extended him and don’t seem to meddle in his decisions. But no worries, Pete is on the backstretch rolling to the finish. Then everyone will get a new philosophy and a new direction. Then complain when they don’t go undefeated and win multiple SB’s.

 

[Fade]

Reid is 1 and 2 in the super bowl.
Mcvay is 0 and 1 in the super bowl.

Does PC have his faults? Yes. Do i get annoyed? Yes.

He is a big part of why the Hawks have a superbowl. Has time passed him by? Maybe. Reid needs to win more super bowls to be this god like coach. Is he HOF? Yes. However, he has his faults too.

Imagine Reid an offensive guru having the 32nd ranked offense in the NFL.

Pete the defensive guru, having poured so much of the teams assets into the defense has the 32nd (last place) defense in the NFL.

1st Round Collier
1st Round Brooks
$18M APY Wagner
1st Round; 1st Round; 3rd Round; $17M APY Jamal Adams
2nd Round; 3rd Round Taylor
2nd Round Blair
3rd Round Green
3rd Round Barton
$6.1M APY Ford
$6.2M APY Diggs
$6.8M APY Dunlap
+ More.

He has built the worst defense in the NFL, brick by brick.

It's baffling how anyone right now would give Pete a pass, rather than asking some serious questions.

Pete is on the Brink, he needs to win now.

 

[pittpnthrs]

And I’m sure Pete evaluates himself regularly, .

How does a coach that never changes evaluate himself regularly?

 

[Flyingsquad23]

And I’m sure Pete evaluates himself regularly, .

How does a coach that never changes evaluate himself regularly?

Just because he doesn’t change his way to suit your thoughts doesn’t mean he doesn’t evaluate himself. It just means he doesn’t see what you see. The guy is an absolute professional and quite likely a HOF coach, doesn’t mean he is without faults.

 

[pittpnthrs]

How do you think super successful people get that way…honest self evaluation. And his record says he has earned his spot and the right to decide when he goes. If…if he has consecutive losing seasons then the decision will be made for him.

Seems as though I’m not the only one with this opinion. The brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world seem to have the same thoughts. They extended him and don’t seem to meddle in his decisions. But no worries, Pete is on the backstretch rolling to the finish. Then everyone will get a new philosophy and a new direction. Then complain when they don’t go undefeated and win multiple SB’s.

Like the brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world that is uninterested and incapable of making football decisions, you like them are living through nostalgia and past success.

 

[LTH]

And I’m sure Pete evaluates himself regularly, .

How does a coach that never changes evaluate himself regularly?

How can you say that Carroll never changes?

LTH

 

[JustTheTip]

How do you think super successful people get that way…honest self evaluation. And his record says he has earned his spot and the right to decide when he goes. If…if he has consecutive losing seasons then the decision will be made for him.

Seems as though I’m not the only one with this opinion. The brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world seem to have the same thoughts. They extended him and don’t seem to meddle in his decisions. But no worries, Pete is on the backstretch rolling to the finish. Then everyone will get a new philosophy and a new direction. Then complain when they don’t go undefeated and win multiple SB’s.

I don't think Pete is capable of this any longer.

 

[JustTheTip]

How do you think super successful people get that way…honest self evaluation. And his record says he has earned his spot and the right to decide when he goes. If…if he has consecutive losing seasons then the decision will be made for him.

Seems as though I’m not the only one with this opinion. The brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world seem to have the same thoughts. They extended him and don’t seem to meddle in his decisions. But no worries, Pete is on the backstretch rolling to the finish. Then everyone will get a new philosophy and a new direction. Then complain when they don’t go undefeated and win multiple SB’s.

Like the brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world that is uninterested and incapable of making football decisions, you like them are living through nostalgia and past success.

This seems to be a big problem in Seattle sports.

 

[Flyingsquad23]

How do you think super successful people get that way…honest self evaluation. And his record says he has earned his spot and the right to decide when he goes. If…if he has consecutive losing seasons then the decision will be made for him.

Seems as though I’m not the only one with this opinion. The brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world seem to have the same thoughts. They extended him and don’t seem to meddle in his decisions. But no worries, Pete is on the backstretch rolling to the finish. Then everyone will get a new philosophy and a new direction. Then complain when they don’t go undefeated and win multiple SB’s.

Like the brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world that is uninterested and incapable of making football decisions, you like them are living through nostalgia and past success.

Are you on the inside of the organization? How in the world could you know this is the case?

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Reid is 1 and 2 in the super bowl.
Mcvay is 0 and 1 in the super bowl.

Does PC have his faults? Yes. Do i get annoyed? Yes.

He is a big part of why the Hawks have a superbowl. Has time passed him by? Maybe. Reid needs to win more super bowls to be this god like coach. Is he HOF? Yes. However, he has his faults too.

Imagine Reid an offensive guru having the 32nd ranked offense in the NFL.

Pete the defensive guru, having poured so much of the teams assets into the defense has the 32nd (last place) defense in the NFL.

1st Round Collier
1st Round Brooks
$18M APY Wagner
1st Round; 1st Round; 3rd Round; $17M APY Jamal Adams
2nd Round; 3rd Round Taylor
2nd Round Blair
3rd Round Green
3rd Round Barton
$6.1M APY Ford
$6.2M APY Diggs
$6.8M APY Dunlap
+ More.

He has built the worst defense in the NFL, brick by brick.

It's baffling how anyone right now would give Pete a pass, rather than asking some serious questions.

Pete is on the Brink, he needs to win now.

You don't like Pete tho. It has been your narrative for years. I have watched Andy Reid ruin clock management numerous times when he was in philly and KC and he is a offensive genius. I saw McVay put 6 points up in the super bowl.

If you wanna blame who Mcvay had, then we can do the same for Pete. Bill and Brady ruined the NFL landscape in so many ways. They made people believe that you better win 3 plus superbowls or your HOF QB and coach are not good anymore.


Also 4 of the top 5 guys for Salary Cap is to the offensive side. (54 million)

The offense has more cap spent on them. So if you want to spin it, the hawks won the superbowl when they loaded the Defense and not the offensive side. They have not been back since the offense got more money.
Wilson also is paid so much now.

Here is articles on Andy Reid screwing up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndicatio ... h.amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fansided.c ... takes/amp/

I mean imagine a offensive genius not addressing the opponents pass rush. Lol. Or his clock management.

I guess my whole point is every coach has weaknesses just like HOF players. Do i think PC is the best? No. I think he is very good though.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Reid has fairly large collection of division trophies under his belt BEFORE he got Mahomes.

Since the SB loss, we cannot even win a division game WITH Wilson. (That is almost a decade so far)

I don't think comparing Reid to Carroll is fair at all. Reid is far and away better in today's NFL.

His resume is better by almost any measure in the playoffs (Carroll does have one of the most dominant football teams of all time though...with Wilson, the LOB, and Lynch + that Front 7)

The big difference is Reid is still relevant as an effective playoff coach and Carroll isn't.


We don't need Carroll to be as good as Reid though, just be not as terrible as we have been in almost 8 years. That would be enough. If he was a better coach, we might win a single divisional playoff game since our SB loss.

Because he hands advantages to the other team before the coin even flips.

It makes no sense because it is due to hubris/ego and some stubborn nature not to acknowledge problems, much less fix them. This is fixable stuff. We just won't.

 

[pittpnthrs]

And I’m sure Pete evaluates himself regularly, .

How does a coach that never changes evaluate himself regularly?

Just because he doesn’t change his way to suit your thoughts doesn’t mean he doesn’t evaluate himself. It just means he doesn’t see what you see. The guy is an absolute professional and quite likely a HOF coach, doesn’t mean he is without faults.

Then the evaluation is pointless because he obviously sees nothing wrong as he hasent changed a bit. Absolute professionals see the holes in their ways. Pete doesnt see them or he's blatantly incapable of fixing them. Either one is a huge issue.

 

[pittpnthrs]

How do you think super successful people get that way…honest self evaluation. And his record says he has earned his spot and the right to decide when he goes. If…if he has consecutive losing seasons then the decision will be made for him.

Seems as though I’m not the only one with this opinion. The brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world seem to have the same thoughts. They extended him and don’t seem to meddle in his decisions. But no worries, Pete is on the backstretch rolling to the finish. Then everyone will get a new philosophy and a new direction. Then complain when they don’t go undefeated and win multiple SB’s.

Like the brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world that is uninterested and incapable of making football decisions, you like them are living through nostalgia and past success.

Are you on the inside of the organization? How in the world could you know this is the case?

Because since Jody has taken over I havent seen or read one time where her or Vulcan stepped in to make a football decision. Have you? No, because they gave Carroll complete power.

 

[pittpnthrs]

How do you think super successful people get that way…honest self evaluation. And his record says he has earned his spot and the right to decide when he goes. If…if he has consecutive losing seasons then the decision will be made for him.

Seems as though I’m not the only one with this opinion. The brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world seem to have the same thoughts. They extended him and don’t seem to meddle in his decisions. But no worries, Pete is on the backstretch rolling to the finish. Then everyone will get a new philosophy and a new direction. Then complain when they don’t go undefeated and win multiple SB’s.

Like the brain trust of one of the most successful enterprises in the world that is uninterested and incapable of making football decisions, you like them are living through nostalgia and past success.

Are you on the inside of the organization? How in the world could you know this is the case?

Because since Jody has taken over I havent seen or read one time where her or Vulcan stepped in to make a football decision. Have you? No, because they gave Carroll complete power.

 

[Fade]

Reid is 1 and 2 in the super bowl.
Mcvay is 0 and 1 in the super bowl.

Does PC have his faults? Yes. Do i get annoyed? Yes.

He is a big part of why the Hawks have a superbowl. Has time passed him by? Maybe. Reid needs to win more super bowls to be this god like coach. Is he HOF? Yes. However, he has his faults too.

Imagine Reid an offensive guru having the 32nd ranked offense in the NFL.

Pete the defensive guru, having poured so much of the teams assets into the defense has the 32nd (last place) defense in the NFL.

1st Round Collier
1st Round Brooks
$18M APY Wagner
1st Round; 1st Round; 3rd Round; $17M APY Jamal Adams
2nd Round; 3rd Round Taylor
2nd Round Blair
3rd Round Green
3rd Round Barton
$6.1M APY Ford
$6.2M APY Diggs
$6.8M APY Dunlap
+ More.

He has built the worst defense in the NFL, brick by brick.

It's baffling how anyone right now would give Pete a pass, rather than asking some serious questions.

Pete is on the Brink, he needs to win now.

You don't like Pete tho. It has been your narrative for years. I have watched Andy Reid ruin clock management numerous times when he was in philly and KC and he is a offensive genius. I saw McVay put 6 points up in the super bowl.

If you wanna blame who Mcvay had, then we can do the same for Pete. Bill and Brady ruined the NFL landscape in so many ways. They made people believe that you better win 3 plus superbowls or your HOF QB and coach are not good anymore.


Also 4 of the top 5 guys for Salary Cap is to the offensive side. (54 million)

The offense has more cap spent on them. So if you want to spin it, the hawks won the superbowl when they loaded the Defense and not the offensive side. They have not been back since the offense got more money.
Wilson also is paid so much now.

Here is articles on Andy Reid screwing up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndicatio ... h.amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fansided.c ... takes/amp/

I mean imagine a offensive genius not addressing the opponents pass rush. Lol. Or his clock management.

I guess my whole point is every coach has weaknesses just like HOF players. Do i think PC is the best? No. I think he is very good though.

Very good at what, exactly? He WAS very good, great in fact, but that was a long time ago.

 

[pittpnthrs]

And I’m sure Pete evaluates himself regularly, .

How does a coach that never changes evaluate himself regularly?

How can you say that Carroll never changes?

LTH

Because i've watched them through the past 6 years. Same scheme and philosophy, same poor coaching, same awful drafting and FA acquisitions, same patterns and trends over and over.

What changes have you been seeing?

 

[LTH]

Holmgren had to have his role reduced, Pete my need to have it done also so he can focus on a particular aspect.

Coach or front office, not both.

Holmgren had his role reduced for completely different reasons part of which was losing a pissing contest with trader Bob. PC isn't even the GM..

LTH

Carroll IS the defacto GM. When he was hired he got full control over player acquisition and personal. In fact, Carroll even hired the GM, Schneider himself. That is very a-typical for an NFL team. It was stipulated when he was hired that he had final say over player acquisition and trade. It was one of his conditions for making the transition back to the NFL.

Carroll has complete control over every aspect of the Seattle Seahawks.

He does have control but that doesn't mean he he doesn't let Js do his job

LTH

 

[LTH]

And I’m sure Pete evaluates himself regularly, .

How does a coach that never changes evaluate himself regularly?

How can you say that Carroll never changes?

LTH

Because i've watched them through the past 6 years. Same scheme and philosophy, same poor coaching, same awful drafting and FA acquisitions, same patterns and trends over and over.

What changes have you been seeing?

I don't see poor coaching , I don't know why he should change a scheme that he believes in and has been so successful with I don't see awful FA acquisitions consistently who? Dunlap, Reed, Neil ,adams Jackson, shell , Collins? As far as the draft they do very well considering where they pick. If they are so terrible drafting , picking FA ,than why are they so successful?

I have seen changes as far as Carroll letting go of control with the O coordinator and letting Russ have more control in play calling... I have seen chaqnges in Carroll letting Norton make calls like going with Neil in the dime package. I think Carroll is delegating more than he ever has to my knowledge..

Edit: excuse the edits I have a tablet that Im getting used to...

LTH