Pete Carroll Bashing in media

[HawkWow]

UCLA sucked with or without Pete. ; )

 

[scutterhawk]

Like it or not coaches are judged by the conduct of their team.

As a tug boat captain I am responsible for my crew. I can't control ever aspect of their behavior but I do set the tone. What they do reflects upon our vessel. If they are disrespectful slobs it casts our boat and our company in a bad light. If one of them fails a drug test it makes all us Mariners look bad and reinforces stereotypes.

With the position of Captain I take on more responsibility, fair or unfair, then others in my field. Pete Carroll is captain of that ship and it's his job to set the tone and keep it on course. Fair or not he will be judged by how his players behave. It's his position and it's expected of him.

He will be the first to tell you this.

Actually, no, he won't. Not that you are wrong with your comparison, but Pete really and truly loves to be the 2nd and 3rd chance guy. In his presser he straight out said it may happen again.

I think Pete is willing to take the hits from the media if it means giving people extra chances. He really believes it matters.

Then I am correct. He will be the first to tell you that he needs to do a better job with the guys. He is positive and holds himself and the team accountable. Pete understands the responsibility of his position. It's more than x's and o's.

Maybe you should give Pete a call and offer him your advice, or, better yet, let him borrow your Do-gooder book.
Hell, it just might inspire him to follow his players around and bend their ears before they screw up.

 

[stack600]

If what a player is doing off work is Pete's fault. Then just like chain of command, it is Goodell's Fault. Blame Roger!!!!

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

This is what sets Pete Carroll apart as a great leader. He knows people (incl himself) mess up and roots for people beyond football to mature and contend for more than championships on the field. How is one a leader (or even necessary) if everyone already follows perfectly? It takes a leader to navigate when the inevitable storms hit. (Not condoning the recent actions, just in general how people mess up and in regards to his approach to give individuals 2nd and 3rd chances.) Pete is willing to take hits from the media while still being a masterful Captain that understands the responsibility to the whole ship.

The media intends to direct the course and detractors will try to sink the entire ship because of isolated incidents that are not entirely within the control of leadership. .

I am confused by the reasoning. Pete is a great leader willing to take people he know have messed up and may mess up again BUT the media is the one that is trying to detract from achivements once those guys actually messes up again and it really isn't the FO's fault?????

Did I get that right?????

Just saying when you take risks and they backfire then you deal with the consequences. It is like going for it on 4th down. You made the decision and crap it didn't work. You move on but don't blame others. You don't blame the guy that didn't get the block or missed his assignment you simply move on and if you are in charge it is your fault.

Did anyone hear Warren Moon on the radio the other night talking about how RG3should answer questions? How he should accept the blame because that is one thing QBs are paid to do? ......

Not sure what I've said that confuses you... even by what you've quoted. Are you thinking I'm saying that the players actions are the media's fault? If so, I'm not saying that. For nearly 40 years, I've listened to how much of the media reports on the Hawks. I'm just saying that the media will jump all over any story they can get hold of and shape it to serve their purposes.

Giving players 2nd and 3rd chances - that's what is applauded about Carroll. Sure, there are consequences. Pete is a great leader that would rather risk what others want to say about him by giving guys with potential the chance to succeed in the right environment. There are probably never entirely pure motives, so yes he is trying to do his job and build a winner. He's guilty as charged there. It's interesting the history he often knows about players lives that he assembles on his teams. Caring more about others than yourself (meaning: don't just care about yourself, but genuinely about others) is a characteristic of a great leader.

Player's actions are not directly the FO's fault, but yes... they may be held accountable. I do understand the thought that FO folk should do their best to get high character guys that will not lead to issues detrimental to the team. Calculated risks are knowing that all of us mess up and which elite or talented players are worth bringing into the fold in hopes that they pan out. One only has so many options there with hopes to compete. But, again... it may end up meaning that they will have to take the wrath of some. Apparently, Carroll is willing to take whatever bad rap the media and others want to hurl at him for the chance at not only team success (wins), but also the chance that an at-risk player will come around.

Does any of that clarify?

 

[Seeker]

Seahawks #1 drug team in league = OUTRAGE, kill pete carroll, we have to get him kicked out of the league!!!
Patriots #2 drug team in league = *crickets*

 

[Scottemojo]

Like it or not coaches are judged by the conduct of their team.

As a tug boat captain I am responsible for my crew. I can't control ever aspect of their behavior but I do set the tone. What they do reflects upon our vessel. If they are disrespectful slobs it casts our boat and our company in a bad light. If one of them fails a drug test it makes all us Mariners look bad and reinforces stereotypes.

With the position of Captain I take on more responsibility, fair or unfair, then others in my field. Pete Carroll is captain of that ship and it's his job to set the tone and keep it on course. Fair or not he will be judged by how his players behave. It's his position and it's expected of him.

He will be the first to tell you this.

Actually, no, he won't. Not that you are wrong with your comparison, but Pete really and truly loves to be the 2nd and 3rd chance guy. In his presser he straight out said it may happen again.

I think Pete is willing to take the hits from the media if it means giving people extra chances. He really believes it matters.

And based on that logic how is it not Pete's fault when it fails? He should take the blame - I guess I don't care if he agrees or disagrees (I think he agrees). He takes people that are given a second / third chance and puts them in the organization. That puts the organization at risk - it puts the team at risk such as having to sign CBs of the street in week 12.......

He opted for this. He is in charge. He is responsible. Doesn't excuse the guys but it sure as heck doesn't excuse the man in charge either

Don't get me wrong - I am not hanging him out to dry or saying he is a bad coach etc. Drug suspensions don't mean an extra advantage for the team so I have more acceptance to them happening from an organizational standpoint. All I am saying is that blame should be at least partially on the FO. They knew what they were doing and are now paying the price. It should be part of judging them. Everyone has been complaining about Cincinnati and Dallas signing a bunch of troubled players........

First, I completely misinterpreted the gist of Dom's post. Sorry Dom.

Second, AK, of course some of the responsibility lies on the FO. So what? If the risky players are the more talented players, you only have two choices. Roll with the less talented player who never gets in trouble, or give the naughty kid a chance to grow up off the field and kick ass on it. Pete chooses the latter. If it makes you feel better, start a bring back Kelly Jennings signature drive.

We only find out about the failures because they get suspended after several positive tests. Maybe the reason Pete keeps giving these second chances is some of the success stories we don't hear about because they made wise use of a second chance.

 

[HawkWow]

This is a great opportunity for Pete to appeal to the team. No question, the 2013 Hawks love Pete (and even John). The more bashing the media wants to subject Pete to, the more likely the team will take that bashing out on the opponent. Maybe Pete should mope around a bit, head down, muttering "where did I go wrong, what have I done, wonder if I can get the Ducks job"?

 

[BobinLaConner]

UCLA sucked with or without Pete. ; )

wait.. what? oh I see what you did there.

 

[mikeak]

Second, AK, of course some of the responsibility lies on the FO. So what? .

I am fine with it just saying people shouldn't say PC is completely innocent which is what many are doing..... He gets to take part of the blame when the second chances misfires...

 

[sc85sis]

We got what we paid for. Everybody knows what kind of program PC ran at UCLA: Cheaters that won multiple national championships and destroyed other teams for years.

USC, not UCLA. I'm puzzled how the actions of Reggie Bush and his family equate to all the other players Pete coached over a nine-year period being "cheaters."

Perhaps all those individuals who know what occurred at USC could pass on some winning Lotto numbers to me. They obviously have some incredible psychic ability I lack.

 

[DavidSeven]

I'm extremely proud of the program that Pete is running in Seattle. Probably more proud than I've been of any other Seattle sports franchise under any regime. Pete has gone out of his way to give guys a shot when other teams looked the other way. Sometimes those guys will slip, but he's also changed the lives of many men for the better. Mike Williams, Marshawn Lynch, BRIAN BANKS...the list goes on. Let the media think what it wants. I love what he's doing here.

 

[-The Glove-]

I'm extremely proud of the program that Pete is running in Seattle. Probably more proud than I've been of any other Seattle sports franchise under any regime. Pete has gone out of his way to give guys a shot when other teams looked the other way. Sometimes those guys will slip, but he's also changed the lives of many men for the better. Mike Williams, Marshawn Lynch, BRIAN BANKS...the list goes on. Let the media think what it wants. I love what he's doing here.

This x1000. These are grown men that are given an opportunity (sometimes more than 1) by Pete to make something of themselves. He should be praised for that not condemned.

 

[BobinLaConner]

Sure, like everyone here, I have read and heard people online and in the media "say" Pete cheated at USC, but I personally have no idea of what actually happened at USC... so I should not be able to voice my opinion with any weight on the matter. I would venture a guess that he did not do anything that was not common with any big college program and the whole Reggie Bush thing happening was not Pete Carroll, but probably a combination of several people on the staff.

In my Opinion, players (and coaches) who do as much public service and good in the community as Pete are not the type of people who would knowingly do anything unethical. I like to think I can read people well and both times I have met Pete, he was an exceptionally great guy to me and my family. In my experience, people who are quick to respond with "he is a cheater" or "they are just winning because they cheat", are usually what someone like me might call "losers" or "whiners". Paul Allen picked a winning coach, end of discussion.

... trust what you are seeing (the Hawks are winning, players like playing for him, and he is a good coach) so those media opinions are like, well you know that one and we all have one.

Focus on the prize...go Hawks!

 

[Sports Hernia]

If what a player is doing off work is Pete's fault. Then just like chain of command, it is Goodell's Fault. Blame Roger!!!!

I like the way you think. :th2thumbs:

 

[Zukistubbs]

I don't understand how anyone would blame the coach for what his players are doing off the field and out of the building. By that standard then anyone who gets a DUI should also have the boss arrested because he didn't do enough to stop his employee. How about murder, should we be ready to put a boss in jail when his employee commits murder? Should we be arresting someones boss when the guy he is employing makes a bad decision outside of the building? The person responsible is the person who made the choice.

A coach can only try his best but once the players are outside the building the responsibility is no longer on the coach, its now on the player. There is no such thing as a choir boy team, most teams have a few dirt-bags. I blame the player for his actions once outside the building, i blame the coach for the actions when INSIDE the building. Miami's coach i blame for allowing that situation. I don't blame Pete for someone smoking weed outside the building unless it turns out he was buying the stuff for his players and holding the match. We're so anxious to point the finger at anyone else instead of the person who made the choice. I'm pissed at Browner and Thurmond for making that choice, but i don't blame Pete, he is always telling his players to take responsibility for their actions, to behave and to do their best. Is it his fault they didn't listen??

 

[Donn2390]

Pete got the cheater tag at USC because he was a winner. If you were a cheerleader for an opposing team and were constantly getting your butt whipped year after year, the simplest solution was to call the coach a cheater.
The Reggie Bush incident was that his parents, who lived over 100 miles away in San Diego, accepted a nice home at an incredible rent rate from an SC supporter. Reggie lived in LA, not in San Diego. I doubt his parents consulted with Reggie or Pete when they made they rental decisions.
How is Pete supposed to know the rental agreements of all of the parents of all of the players on the team, some who live clear across the country. He is expected to know every aspect of, not only every player, but their parents lives. It would be impossible, he would never have time to coach football.
I have followed his career for many years and he is an honest and honorable man, his only sin is winning too much..

 

[HawkAroundTheClock]

Based on his book, i.e., his own words, Pete Carroll considers himself more of a teacher than a captain. He presents opportunities for people to succeed or fail. When they fail he has methods for confronting the failure and using that to continue being the best "you" you can be. (Russell Wilson, prime example, "get better every day")

For those calling on PC to "tighten the ship" or to cut these guys, that's just not him. He took that year off to figure out who he was before he got the USC job. Instead of wanting him to be a Holmgren, Landry, Ditka, Lombardi, or whoever else you think a head coach should be, you'd do better to realize who he is and why he does things his way.

The "zero tolerance" or "two chances maximum" kind of mentality is completely foreign to Pete. It would be like sending a student to the principal or out in the hall every time they screw up. Yes, of course these are grown men we are talking about. Don't take the simile too literally. The point is, "discipline" like that does nothing to feed the internal motivation of a learner. It is a way for the teacher to say "you are a problem and I don't want to deal with you." For a player to reach that level with Pete, they have to have given up on themselves and have absolutely no interest in contributing to the team. (LenDale White, prime example, "I stopped drinking tequila" wink wink)

Confirmed rule violators hurt the team, yes, but it doesn't mean they are a lost cause. Pete will continue to try to get the best out of them - and show them what greatness they are capable of - until they decide they won't.

You don't have to like it, but if you really want Pete to change his ways, he will continually disappoint you.

 

[-The Glove-]

Based on his book, i.e., his own words, Pete Carroll considers himself more of a teacher than a captain. He presents opportunities for people to succeed or fail. When they fail he has methods for confronting the failure and using that to continue being the best "you" you can be. (Russell Wilson, prime example, "get better every day")

For those calling on PC to "tighten the ship" or to cut these guys, that's just not him. He took that year off to figure out who he was before he got the USC job. Instead of wanting him to be a Holmgren, Landry, Ditka, Lombardi, or whoever else you think a head coach should be, you'd do better to realize who he is and why he does things his way.

The "zero tolerance" or "two chances maximum" kind of mentality is completely foreign to Pete. It would be like sending a student to the principal or out in the hall every time they screw up. Yes, of course these are grown men we are talking about. Don't take the simile to literally. The point is, "discipline" like that does nothing to feed the internal motivation of a learner. It is a way for the teacher to say "you are a problem and I don't want to deal with you." For a player to reach that level with Pete, they have to have given up on themselves and have absolutely no interest in contributing to the team. (LenDale White, prime example, "I stopped drinking tequila" wink wink)

Confirmed rule violators hurt the team, yes, but it doesn't mean they are a lost cause. Pete will continue to try to get the best out of them - and show them what greatness they are capable of - until they decide they won't.

You don't have to like it, but if you really want Pete to change his ways, he will continually disappoint you.

Damn, that was a good post.