Pete Carroll Bashing in media

[Reaneypark]

They beat the Saints on Monday and nobody will give a crap about what's his name and what's his face.

 

[pmedic920]

I don't know about you all, but I am loving this attention. I don't care if they smoke weed. I don't give a crap about image as long as were winning!

Very few here actually care that they smoked weed. Weed really isn't the point. They broke a dam rule, breaking that rule caused them to be punished. That punishment hurts the TEAM.
That's what we are pissed off about.

 

[NorCalHawk12]

Well said sir!

Except for the spelling, punctuation, capitalization and grammar errors, yeah!

Roland is going to have a stroke when he reads the op.

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[AVL]

Love the over-reactionaries. We lose the next 3 games and I'll join you at your miseries.

 

[LymonHawk]

They beat the Saints on Monday and nobody will give a crap about what's his name and what's his face.

:th2thumbs: My exact thoughts on the subject.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

These are grown men, who KNOW they are not allowed to smoke weed. They CHOSE to do this. Not sure how it's PC's fault.

 

[tom sawyer]

"various sports show" are entertainment channels and will stoop to the lowest possible levels to sell air space.
I give them no rental space in my head. That would be a waste for me.

PC is a greatest coach. Players are human and humans f-up.

Nothing more to it really!!

GO HAWKS!! Onward and UPward!!

 

[jlwaters1]

Like it or not coaches are judged by the conduct of their team.

As a tug boat captain I am responsible for my crew. I can't control ever aspect of their behavior but I do set the tone. What they do reflects upon our vessel. If they are disrespectful slobs it casts our boat and our company in a bad light. If one of them fails a drug test it makes all us Mariners look bad and reinforces stereotypes.

With the position of Captain I take on more responsibility, fair or unfair, then others in my field. Pete Carroll is captain of that ship and it's his job to set the tone and keep it on course. Fair or not he will be judged by how his players behave. It's his position and it's expected of him.

He will be the first to tell you this.

How do you know that PC hasn't set the "proper tone"? Frankly, none of us know how much emphasis PC and staff have put on these issues. I do know that they have gone out of their way to make players heathier, and physically and mentally stronger --- As illustrated by a SI or ESPN article (can't remember which one. It was posted a few months back about the cutting edge way in which the SEahawks are taking care of their players.)

With that evidence, I have to believe they take this kind of stuff very seriously. So if PC and staff have taken steps above and beyond what the NFL mandates (as I would assume they have) than what more could be asked of him?

It's funny no one said it was Jim Harbaugh's fault that their best defensive player had to admit himself into a clinic to get right from him substance abuse issues (missing nearly half the season). But when it happens to the SEahawks the media explodes into how the Seahawks are undisciplined, ect. Nor has Harbaugh been blamed from Smith's gun related which could land him in jail. There seems to be a double standard.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Exactly. Niners get butt loved by the media no matter WHAT they do. The Hawks could fart in public and it = they are bunch of cheating felons.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I've yet to hear people criticizing Pete, other than the bozos on First Take........but they criticize everybody. So I take that garbage with a grain of salt.

Pete is a coach that takes chances on players, and that's OK with me. He doesn't take chances on players like some teams because they're desperate or no one else will play there (Cincinnati). He takes chances on players because he's an eternal optimist/positive guy. He genuinely wants to see players succeed here when they've failed elsewhere.

 

[Kixkahn]

Exactly. Niners get butt loved by the media no matter WHAT they do. The Hawks could fart in public and it = they are bunch of cheating felons.

You have a point taking into consideration a 49er player with illegal weapons and a possible shooting who is playing and not suspended. There of course are others like Vick a convicted felon. There needs to be a better standard, no felons should be getting millions of dollars.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

Like it or not coaches are judged by the conduct of their team.

As a tug boat captain I am responsible for my crew. I can't control ever aspect of their behavior but I do set the tone. What they do reflects upon our vessel. If they are disrespectful slobs it casts our boat and our company in a bad light. If one of them fails a drug test it makes all us Mariners look bad and reinforces stereotypes.

With the position of Captain I take on more responsibility, fair or unfair, then others in my field. Pete Carroll is captain of that ship and it's his job to set the tone and keep it on course. Fair or not he will be judged by how his players behave. It's his position and it's expected of him.

He will be the first to tell you this.

Actually, no, he won't. Not that you are wrong with your comparison, but Pete really and truly loves to be the 2nd and 3rd chance guy. In his presser he straight out said it may happen again.

I think Pete is willing to take the hits from the media if it means giving people extra chances. He really believes it matters.

Good post and response.

This is what sets Pete Carroll apart as a great leader. He knows people (incl himself) mess up and roots for people beyond football to mature and contend for more than championships on the field. How is one a leader (or even necessary) if everyone already follows perfectly? It takes a leader to navigate when the inevitable storms hit. (Not condoning the recent actions, just in general how people mess up and in regards to his approach to give individuals 2nd and 3rd chances.) Pete is willing to take hits from the media while still being a masterful Captain that understands the responsibility to the whole ship.

The media intends to direct the course and detractors will try to sink the entire ship because of isolated incidents that are not entirely within the control of leadership. So, according to that sort of thinking, there really is an "I" in Team? (moreso when one of the "I's" affect the team negatively? It's always said that the "I's" can't win it all by themselves, but according to some they can ruin the whole thing.) It's true that the good and the bad reflect on the Captain, but it takes seeing how one leads in times of adversity to show the true mettle of the Captain.

Pete models resiliency... and we see that in the play of this team on the field. I think we're very fortunate to have Captain Carroll in command of this ship.

 

[mikeak]

Like it or not coaches are judged by the conduct of their team.

As a tug boat captain I am responsible for my crew. I can't control ever aspect of their behavior but I do set the tone. What they do reflects upon our vessel. If they are disrespectful slobs it casts our boat and our company in a bad light. If one of them fails a drug test it makes all us Mariners look bad and reinforces stereotypes.

With the position of Captain I take on more responsibility, fair or unfair, then others in my field. Pete Carroll is captain of that ship and it's his job to set the tone and keep it on course. Fair or not he will be judged by how his players behave. It's his position and it's expected of him.

He will be the first to tell you this.

Actually, no, he won't. Not that you are wrong with your comparison, but Pete really and truly loves to be the 2nd and 3rd chance guy. In his presser he straight out said it may happen again.

I think Pete is willing to take the hits from the media if it means giving people extra chances. He really believes it matters.

And based on that logic how is it not Pete's fault when it fails? He should take the blame - I guess I don't care if he agrees or disagrees (I think he agrees). He takes people that are given a second / third chance and puts them in the organization. That puts the organization at risk - it puts the team at risk such as having to sign CBs of the street in week 12.......

He opted for this. He is in charge. He is responsible. Doesn't excuse the guys but it sure as heck doesn't excuse the man in charge either

Don't get me wrong - I am not hanging him out to dry or saying he is a bad coach etc. Drug suspensions don't mean an extra advantage for the team so I have more acceptance to them happening from an organizational standpoint. All I am saying is that blame should be at least partially on the FO. They knew what they were doing and are now paying the price. It should be part of judging them. Everyone has been complaining about Cincinnati and Dallas signing a bunch of troubled players........

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

You take calculated risks to achieve greatness? Is that the right answer?

 

[mikeak]

This is what sets Pete Carroll apart as a great leader. He knows people (incl himself) mess up and roots for people beyond football to mature and contend for more than championships on the field. How is one a leader (or even necessary) if everyone already follows perfectly? It takes a leader to navigate when the inevitable storms hit. (Not condoning the recent actions, just in general how people mess up and in regards to his approach to give individuals 2nd and 3rd chances.) Pete is willing to take hits from the media while still being a masterful Captain that understands the responsibility to the whole ship.

The media intends to direct the course and detractors will try to sink the entire ship because of isolated incidents that are not entirely within the control of leadership. .

I am confused by the reasoning. Pete is a great leader willing to take people he know have messed up and may mess up again BUT the media is the one that is trying to detract from achivements once those guys actually messes up again and it really isn't the FO's fault?????

Did I get that right?????

Just saying when you take risks and they backfire then you deal with the consequences. It is like going for it on 4th down. You made the decision and crap it didn't work. You move on but don't blame others. You don't blame the guy that didn't get the block or missed his assignment you simply move on and if you are in charge it is your fault.

Did anyone hear Warren Moon on the radio the other night talking about how RG3should answer questions? How he should accept the blame because that is one thing QBs are paid to do? ......

 

[mikeak]

You take calculated risks to achieve greatness? Is that the right answer?

Less words than I used but that would be what I tried to say

I think the whole debate is because we love to see the world in black and white today. You aren't allowed to say that part of blame for this goes to PC for putting these guys in the organization and part to the guys for doing what they did. At the end of the day it was worth the risk and the heaviest price will be paid by Browner. Thurmond will make his money, the team will be ok before the playoffs but Browner will lose millions and never have the chance at the big contract.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I think the whole debate is because we love to see the world in black and white today. You aren't allowed to say that part of blame for this goes to PC for putting these guys in the organization and part to the guys for doing what they did. At the end of the day it was worth the risk and the heaviest price will be paid by Browner. Thurmond will make his money, the team will be ok before the playoffs but Browner will lose millions and never have the chance at the big contract.

I wouldn't say Pete and John are partially culpable because they signed Browner. But I still put a little bit of this on them (maybe 10%) because they ARE the GM and coach............and part of their job is to kick player's asses when they step out of line.

Let me ask you guys this question. If a more no nonsense hard ass coach like Belicheat, Holmgren or Parcells was Browner's coach, would this stuff still be happening? Obviously there is no way to know, but maybe Pete's super positive I love everybody player's coach style hurt him in the case of some of these drug suspensions.

 

[plyka]

I hope Walter Thumond and Brandon Browner are happy with the heat they brought to the team and its head coach Pete Carroll. They say they're sorry but they're just sorry they got caught i know i've been their. i think its weak they brought this negativity twords the team and possibly taint a championship though i'am glad it was'nt PED's. various sports shows saying Carroll is responsible for whatever these guys do off-field is rediculous these are grown men and PC is not a babysitter. I think it is mis-placed blame you can't account for these guys 24/7. PC gave these guys a chance especially BROWNER and they did him dirty by doing drugs in the middle of the most important run in seattle sports history in my opinion. If coaches were judged by the actions of their players OFF the field then what kind of coach does that make Bill Belichick.

I'm sorry but Who the F Cares about the media? I'm the last to believe in this East Coast media bias, because teams like the 49ers get plenty of love. But let's be frank here, the only time they speak of the Seahawks is to find a reason to bash them. That would be true whether this happened or not. I saw forget about what people will think --especially people who could care less about you and only dig for reason to bash you.

What is the % of NFL fans around the league that know the Seahawks currently have the best record in the NFL? Out of those people, how many found out through ESPN or NBC Sports or Fox, etc? I would say 5% at most. On the other hand, recalculate those figures if Denver or New England had the best record.

Obviously you just read the thread title and not the Op's opinion. He is upset because 2 players hung their coach out to dry. It's now going to be nonstop about the Seahawks and drug problems and Browner and Thurmond instead of talking about this team and how hard the rest of the guys are working. There will be nothing about Pete Carroll turning this team around and the success of John Schneider, instead it will be questioning all of their decisions.

We for sure now will never see Pete Carroll win Coach of the Year or see John Schneider win General Manager of the Year. That's recognition that both of those guys deserve, it's their legacy and from here on out it will all be tarnished by 2 selfish players. And these kinds of things don't just effect the HC and GM, it effects the fans who have spent many years supporting this team and praying for a Championship.

It effects the families of the coaches and front office because they will hear about. And all because 2 idiots put themselves above the rest of the team.

Personally, I could care less whether the rest of the world or the media recognize how the Seahawks have worked hard and succeeded, I do care about how the people on the team who have sacrificed so much are effected. Browner and Thurmond put at risk YEARS of hard work and preparation by hundreds of people in the Seahawks organization and on the team. They also have stuck it to long suffering fans, all out of selfishness.

And it's not like this caught them by surprise. I mean, how selfish and stupid can you be?

Your post is full of contradictions. You say you don't care about what people and the media think, then go on and on saying that the Hawks won't be recognized for media awards like Coach of the year and GM of the year. Who cares? Why do you care what the media will say? It's really not a big deal. It's only a big deal in your head.

I find it laughable that a guy on the New England Patriots is currently in custody for murder, guns, thuggery of the worst kind, and the media says how great Bellicheck is for his reaction. The Patriots are one team which has been CAUGHT for CHEATING. Yet they claim how great Bellicheck is. Then a couple people on the seahawks get hawk for smoking some weed and Pete Caroll is now the anti-christ? Does this make any sense to you? It doesn't to me.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

I hope Walter Thumond and Brandon Browner are happy with the heat they brought to the team and its head coach Pete Carroll. They say they're sorry but they're just sorry they got caught i know i've been their. i think its weak they brought this negativity twords the team and possibly taint a championship though i'am glad it was'nt PED's. various sports shows saying Carroll is responsible for whatever these guys do off-field is rediculous these are grown men and PC is not a babysitter. I think it is mis-placed blame you can't account for these guys 24/7. PC gave these guys a chance especially BROWNER and they did him dirty by doing drugs in the middle of the most important run in seattle sports history in my opinion. If coaches were judged by the actions of their players OFF the field then what kind of coach does that make Bill Belichick.

We got what we paid for. Everybody knows what kind of program PC ran at UCLA: Cheaters that won multiple national championships and destroyed other teams for years.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I hope Walter Thumond and Brandon Browner are happy with the heat they brought to the team and its head coach Pete Carroll. They say they're sorry but they're just sorry they got caught i know i've been their. i think its weak they brought this negativity twords the team and possibly taint a championship though i'am glad it was'nt PED's. various sports shows saying Carroll is responsible for whatever these guys do off-field is rediculous these are grown men and PC is not a babysitter. I think it is mis-placed blame you can't account for these guys 24/7. PC gave these guys a chance especially BROWNER and they did him dirty by doing drugs in the middle of the most important run in seattle sports history in my opinion. If coaches were judged by the actions of their players OFF the field then what kind of coach does that make Bill Belichick.

We got what we paid for. Everybody knows what kind of program PC ran at UCLA: Cheaters that won multiple national championships and destroyed other teams for years.

Where?