Penny

[quadsas]

Penny looked really good tonight against the Chargers amazing what descent blocking can do for a RB isn't it.

He wasn't "really good" by any stretch. Penny showed some piss poor blocking skills, and he failed to see some wide open holes. His "really good" that he had early in the game is what most starting RB's do on a regular basis. The difference is Penny has shown the inability to do those inside runs constantly.

Penny is the definition of average. He didn't look any better than Homer, and Mckissic. Plus he made more mistakes than the both of them.

Penny won't be anything other than a change of pace back, mark it down right here. I just really don't want him taking carries away from Chris Carson. I'm not convinced that he is any better than Travis Homer either. He definitely isn't anywhere as good as a healthy Prosise (good for a series maybe). The guy just has a lot of glaring holes in his game.

Completely agree. There was a pass block whiff with Wilson out there that was so embarrassing, I almost had to turn off the broadcast

 

[Scorpion05]

Wow, we’re nitpicking on a whole new level today.

Carson has also had runs that he didn’t read well before. If an RB read each run perfectly every time, he’d have a 2000 yard season.

Carson has also missed blocks before. Again, not the end of the world.

Penny can clean some of those things up, but he missed all of training camp last year. And he turned plays into nothing. That catch and run for 8 yards where he made 4 defenders miss, Carson CANNOT do that. He also ran between the tackles on several runs for 5,6,7 yards.

I remember a game last year where Carson ran for 100 but averaged an really low YPC. No one freaked out. Stop nitpicking at Penny and let’s have a FAIR convo about him, especially as it relates to other late 1st round producers AROUND the league

 

[mikeak]

That catch and run for 8 yards where he made 4 defenders miss, Carson CANNOT do that. He also ran between the tackles on several runs for 5,6,7 yards.

He had 8 runs in the game and averaged 2.8 yards

So if he had per you four runs at 5 yards or higher half his runs went for zero yards?

Carson averaged 7.7 yesterday, Prosise 6+, Mckissic 3.3

This is not nitpicking. It is pointing out thatgiys that goes for zero (or negative yards) half their runs don't make it. And this is very common for Penny

 

[Hawkpower]

It's fascinating to me what a polarizing topic Penny is on this board.

I know the reason behind some of it (those that were angry he was selected in the first round constantly looking for his troubles so they can prove they were "right" vs those who then take the polar opposite argument becasue the constant nit picking of Penny gets annoying) but both ends of the spectrum could probably tone it down a bit.

Penny shows flashes of greatness. And flashes of frustration.

But his story is incomplete. We dont need to annoint him as anything yet. Since we are all Seahawk fans here, shouldnt we be hoping he pans out as a great contributer to this team? Isnt that more important than being able to say I TOLD YOU SO on a message board?

 

[ivotuk]

It's fascinating to me what a polarizing topic Penny is on this board.

I know the reason behind some of it (those that were angry he was selected in the first round constantly looking for his troubles so they can prove they were "right" vs those who then take the polar opposite argument becasue the constant nit picking of Penny gets annoying) but both ends of the spectrum could probably tone it down a bit.

Penny shows flashes of greatness. And flashes of frustration.

But his story is incomplete. We dont need to annoint him as anything yet. Since we are all Seahawk fans here, shouldnt we be hoping he pans out as a great contributer to this team? Isnt that more important than being able to say I TOLD YOU SO on a message board?

Amen!

People have already written his story, and he hasn't played enough to make any determination. He did average 4.9YPC last year during the regular season, including some spectacular reverse-field runs.

I'll admit, I'm Pro-Penny, thinking that with playing time that he will vastly improve and show his1st round value.

As much fun as it is to watch and talk about preseason football, There is no way to make any real prediction of who is great, and who sucks.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Egos get involved when board members here made their "expert draft predictions." They sometimes dig themselves into a hole or paint back into a corner. It almost seems like some posters are more pro self-image ("being right") than they are pro Seahawk.

I agree that Penny's story isn't written yet. He's got some incredible potential, and some flaws.

Can he develop? Surely, and even contribute in the meantime. That's all I want for any pick, regardless of round. And with the number of 1st round busts. . . well, you'd think fans would learn to temper their enthusiasm, hostility, or outright expectations.

 

[xray]

As an average backup RB he is not a bust ; but as a 1st round pick cashing in on a very generous 1st round rookie contract he would be at the very least a disappointment on most teams . IMO

 

[xray]

In the NFL what players are paid is suppose to be roughly equivalent to their contribution to the team .
Rashaad Penny 1st round pick....4 year rookie contract $10.85 million includes $5.97 million signing bonus.

Travis Homer 6th round pick...4 year rookie contract $2,662,816 includes $142,816 signing bonus.
They both appear to be about of equal talent and production.
When money is so important for NFL teams ...Penny doesn't look like a very good bargain does he?

 

[McGruff]

It's fascinating to me what a polarizing topic Penny is on this board.

I know the reason behind some of it (those that were angry he was selected in the first round constantly looking for his troubles so they can prove they were "right" vs those who then take the polar opposite argument becasue the constant nit picking of Penny gets annoying) but both ends of the spectrum could probably tone it down a bit.

Penny shows flashes of greatness. And flashes of frustration.

But his story is incomplete. We dont need to annoint him as anything yet. Since we are all Seahawk fans here, shouldnt we be hoping he pans out as a great contributer to this team? Isnt that more important than being able to say I TOLD YOU SO on a message board?

Amen!

People have already written his story, and he hasn't played enough to make any determination. He did average 4.9YPC last year during the regular season, including some spectacular reverse-field runs.

I'll admit, I'm Pro-Penny, thinking that with playing time that he will vastly improve and show his1st round value.

As much fun as it is to watch and talk about preseason football, There is no way to make any real prediction of who is great, and who sucks.

6.4 yards per carry over his last 7 games too.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Egos get involved when board members here made their "expert draft predictions." They sometimes dig themselves into a hole or paint back into a corner. It almost seems like some posters are more pro self-image ("being right") than they are pro Seahawk.

I agree that Penny's story isn't written yet. He's got some incredible potential, and some flaws.

Can he develop? Surely, and even contribute in the meantime. That's all I want for any pick, regardless of round. And with the number of 1st round busts. . . well, you'd think fans would learn to temper their enthusiasm, hostility, or outright expectations.

Here is the problem, you don't spend a first round picking expecting a development prospect at the RB position. It is a position that has a low shelf life, and as such you want your guy to hit the ground running if you spend a first rounder.

Penny is just another guy. He isn't anything special, he is the type of guy you can find on most NFL rosters. Not a special talent, hell he is even having trouble differentiating himself from the likes of Homer.

 

[KitsapGuy]

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[Scorpion05]

That catch and run for 8 yards where he made 4 defenders miss, Carson CANNOT do that. He also ran between the tackles on several runs for 5,6,7 yards.

He had 8 runs in the game and averaged 2.8 yards

So if he had per you four runs at 5 yards or higher half his runs went for zero yards?

Carson averaged 7.7 yesterday, Prosise 6+, Mckissic 3.3

This is not nitpicking. It is pointing out thatgiys that goes for zero (or negative yards) half their runs don't make it. And this is very common for Penny

I get it, when there's a bone to pick, and an argument to win, let's ignore context:

Penny had 8 runs. 4 of those runs were for 5-7 yards, and/or a TD:

1st & 10 at SEA 16
(2:54 - 1st) R.Penny left tackle to SEA 21 for 5 yards (J.Brown, I.Rochell).

2nd & 10 at SEA 27
(1:36 - 1st) (Shotgun) R.Penny up the middle to SEA 34 for 7 yards (K.White; I.Rochell).

4th & 1 at LAC 3
(11:35 - 2nd) Rashaad Penny 3 Yard Rush J.Myers extra point is GOOD, Center-T.Ott, Holder-M.Dickson.

1st & 10 at LAC 46
(0:27 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Penny right guard to LAC 41 for 5 yards (D.Perryman).


Sprinkle in a couple of good catches where he made chicken soup out of chicken s****, and you're really, REALLY trying hard to be dismissive. So are you trying to be fair minded, or not?

The remaining plays 4 plays? A 3 yard run, and the rest of him getting blown up almost immediately. Carson had high YPC, because he broke off a couple of big runs. Over the course of a game, that average would go down, like any RB. Penny would also have some success, sprinkle in some outside runs with his 5-7 yard runs, along with splitting him out wide, throwing him screens, throwing him check downs...and any argument that Penny can't produce in this league looks even more pitiful

 

[Scorpion05]

In the NFL what players are paid is suppose to be roughly equivalent to their contribution to the team .
Rashaad Penny 1st round pick....4 year rookie contract $10.85 million includes $5.97 million signing bonus.

Travis Homer 6th round pick...4 year rookie contract $2,662,816 includes $142,816 signing bonus.
They both appear to be about of equal talent and production.
When money is so important for NFL teams ...Penny doesn't look like a very good bargain does he?

LMAO. Show film of Travis Homer doing anything REMOTELY close to what Penny has shown on film. Let's debate reality

 

[toffee]

Penny looked really good tonight against the Chargers amazing what descent blocking can do for a RB isn't it.

He wasn't "really good" by any stretch. Penny showed some piss poor blocking skills, and he failed to see some wide open holes. His "really good" that he had early in the game is what most starting RB's do on a regular basis. The difference is Penny has shown the inability to do those inside runs constantly.

Penny is the definition of average. He didn't look any better than Homer, and Mckissic. Plus he made more mistakes than the both of them.

Penny won't be anything other than a change of pace back, mark it down right here. I just really don't want him taking carries away from Chris Carson. I'm not convinced that he is any better than Travis Homer either. He definitely isn't anywhere as good as a healthy Prosise (good for a series maybe). The guy just has a lot of glaring holes in his game.

Completely agree. There was a pass block whiff with Wilson out there that was so embarrassing, I almost had to turn off the broadcast

CJ looked really good, not Penny, CJ shown ability to run straight up in between tackles AND ran outside, both with authority. Penny didn’t do anything close to that.


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[toffee]

I won’t be surprised Pete rest Carson next game and let both Penny and CJ play with starting OL. And I won’t be surprised for CJ to outshine Penny.


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[Thepeelsessions]

It's fascinating to me what a polarizing topic Penny is on this board.

Polarizing is the perfect definition for Penny. The whole debate is becoming pretty disgusting, to say the least. I feel like Penny could have 15+ TDs and 2000 scrimmage yards and people here (I can think of 8 off the top of my head) would still drag his name through the mud. The amount of hate the guy gets on this board is downright annoying and foolish.

What's equally annoying is how Carson's jock has been drooled all over and how he has been put on this proverbial pedestal around here. It's like just because he can run guys over and bang in the trenches, I think some expect Carson to be the next Marshawn, and anyone who isn't belongs in the scrap heap. Carson honestly reminds me of a rocked up BenJarvus Green-Ellis. The fact is Carson will never be Marshawn. Ever. And neither will Penny. And that's ok. Marshawn was a special talent, and I'm fully expecting to never see anyone who mimicks his game in my lifetime.

Get Carson in the open field, and he seems to be a one trick pony. It's only a matter of time before a defender doesn't bite on his hurdle attempt, and totally upends him. Get Penny in the open field, and watch him make guys miss easily. On the flip side, put Carson and Penny side by side running in the gut of the line, and who will most likely be more successful? I'm putting my money on Carson. And that's fine! They both have strengths and weaknesses to their games. That's great. I'll take that complimentary backfield any day of the week.

 

[xray]

Egos get involved when board members here made their "expert draft predictions." They sometimes dig themselves into a hole or paint back into a corner. It almost seems like some posters are more pro self-image ("being right") than they are pro Seahawk.

I agree that Penny's story isn't written yet. He's got some incredible potential, and some flaws.

Can he develop? Surely, and even contribute in the meantime. That's all I want for any pick, regardless of round. And with the number of 1st round busts. . . well, you'd think fans would learn to temper their enthusiasm, hostility, or outright expectations.

I've been a Seahawks fan since 1976...don't tell me how YOU think what I mean in here...I'm as clear as a bell .

 

[xray]

In the NFL what players are paid is suppose to be roughly equivalent to their contribution to the team .
Rashaad Penny 1st round pick....4 year rookie contract $10.85 million includes $5.97 million signing bonus.

Travis Homer 6th round pick...4 year rookie contract $2,662,816 includes $142,816 signing bonus.
They both appear to be about of equal talent and production.
When money is so important for NFL teams ...Penny doesn't look like a very good bargain does he?

LMAO. Show film of Travis Homer doing anything REMOTELY close to what Penny has shown on film. Let's debate reality

watched highlights on all of them last year and this...On this years preseason games Penny who is a second year player can barely keep pace with the rookie RBs....go look at the film again. :141847_bnono:

 

[xray]

I won’t be surprised Pete rest Carson next game and let both Penny and CJ play with starting OL. And I won’t be surprised for CJ to outshine Penny.


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It will be hard to predict which one will survive a whole game without Carson doing the heavy lifting . I agree that Prosise when healthy is better than Penny ; but that's not a reach .

 

[mikeak]

It's fascinating to me what a polarizing topic Penny is on this board.

Polarizing is the perfect definition for Penny. The whole debate is becoming pretty disgusting, to say the least. I feel like Penny could have 15+ TDs and 2000 scrimmage yards and people here (I can think of 8 off the top of my head) would still drag his name through the mud. The amount of hate the guy gets on this board is downright annoying and foolish.

What's equally annoying is how Carson's jock has been drooled all over and how he has been put on this proverbial pedestal around here. It's like just because he can run guys over and bang in the trenches, I think some expect Carson to be the next Marshawn, and anyone who isn't belongs in the scrap heap. Carson honestly reminds me of a rocked up BenJarvus Green-Ellis. The fact is Carson will never be Marshawn. Ever. And neither will Penny. And that's ok. Marshawn was a special talent, and I'm fully expecting to never see anyone who mimicks his game in my lifetime.

Get Carson in the open field, and he seems to be a one trick pony. It's only a matter of time before a defender doesn't bite on his hurdle attempt, and totally upends him. Get Penny in the open field, and watch him make guys miss easily. On the flip side, put Carson and Penny side by side running in the gut of the line, and who will most likely be more successful? I'm putting my money on Carson. And that's fine! They both have strengths and weaknesses to their games. That's great. I'll take that complimentary backfield any day of the week.

That is awesome. Get back to me when we play the style of football where Penny fits. Where we don't pound it up the middle but slings the football and use the RB as an outlet to get him in open space.

I agree on your assessment of their skillsets. Penny drafted in the first round by Seahawks only begins to have a possibility of working out when we shift our style of offense

I believe Penny will be closer to 0 TDs and 0 yards than 15 TDs and 2000 yards. The real difference between us though is I hope I am horribly wrong and you are 100% right. I would love for that to happen it would be great for the team