PC's weakness is showing

[Hawks46]

I can see where you're going with this, but like has been said, this isn't college. These are grown men with lots of money. They're going to do what they're going to do.

Keep in mind, a lot of these guys are getting popped in the offseason (or when camp starts, which means they used in the offseason). Pete can only camp out at one guy's house at a time.

The one thing that does bother me about Pete's easy going manner is that we usually are near the top, or lead the league, in penalties. I'd like more on field discipline.

I will say the "what a troll post" and "no one cares, these are grown men" posts are a little too far the other way. The NFL is looking at fining the Seahawks for lack of compliance with the PED stuff, as we lead the league with it. Per NFL.com, we're at 6 incidences since 2011. My concern is that ol Rog' will start nabbing draft picks if this crap keeps up.

 

[Anonymous]

This thread reeks of improperly-digested and regurgitated troll gruel.

So, do we need to install tracking devices and assign personal escorts to our players so the head coach can monitor their every move when away from the VMAC?

Pete Carroll's coaching style, his philosophies, or his policies, have absolutely nothing to do with what an individual player decides to ingest, inject, or smear on his underarms while off work. Unless he is standing up in front of them at group meetings and telling them to do whatever they feel is necessary to gain an edge over the competition, and/or telling them that victory is so much sweeter knowing you cheated to earn it, then leave the guy alone.

 

[Hawkstorian]

Team meeting. Brilliant idea. I'm shocked no one else thought of it.

 

[BamKam]

obvious sarcasm is obvious

 

[Scottemojo]

Bigger.
Stronger.
Faster.
I am in.
Compete.

Now, lets step into the time machine and go back to the Ruskell years.

Smaller.
Weaker.
Slower.
Old free agents on big contracts.
We Need Dirtbags!
Houshmanzadeh never got in trouble off the field, want him back?


Talent does not always come in a pretty package. Our team has more young talent now than maybe ever in Seattle history. Young guys like to party, the same reckless abandon they have on the field is not magically turned off when they step off of it. We have one of the youngest teams in the league, most of our players are only 1, 2, or 3 years removed from the college environment, an environment where youthful indulgence rarely even makes it to the media(see Mathieu's 10 plus positive drug tests before LSU took any disciplinary steps as just one example). Some of them are wise beyond their years, RUSSELL, others are still growing into their own skins, IRVIN.

Laying all the bad decisions at the feet of Pete is only valid if you are willing to go back in time and say which less talented player/lesser risk player he should have taken instead. To his credit, Best Fight Story did that, saying he wanted one of two different players than Irvin in the first round of 2012. Both produced less last year, and Coples has been indicted by his own coaching staff as lazy. Ingram had two half sacks for the season and appears to be missing the 2013 campaign entirely for injury. The rest of you throwing stones at Irvin have been pretty sparse on player alternatives. If you are going to blame Pete for his player selection you better have an alternative.

For those of you blaming Pete for a lack of oversight, you are baseless, you simply have no clue if there is a lack of institutional oversight or not. If you think he is not enough of a disciplinarian, you simply don't get him or his mantra of competition, because every practice and game missed by Irvin is a chance for some other player to take his job away, potentially costing Irvin lots of money. Proposing some other sanction in addition to that is pretty stupid for a first offense. Sometimes the real cure for immature issues is simply time. Jared Allen took time to grow up. Golden Tate took a while to notice he was not on campus any more. I for one am glad Pete has the ability to envision what a player could become, rather than judge him from a single unflattering snapshot.

Pete's way of doing things is very different from the traditional model in the NFL. It makes him a target, for traditionalists both on and off the field. Where others see running up the score, Pete sees missed opportunities to learn. Where others see 4 game suspensions, Pete sees a regrettable learning opportunity for Irvin and a chance for a 2nd or third player to get a chance to compete.

My final note to all you who are vetting your misplaced anger right now: How many of you thought when Browner was suspended for 4 games we would win all 4? How many of you thought Jeremy Lane would rise to his opportunity?

 

[CHawks4L]

Don't blame PC, but this is simply a byproduct of the Always Compete mantra. The level of competition within the team has further pushed players to new levels. On KJR yesterday, someone mentioned young players are used to getting away with stuff because high school and college coaches will cover up their mistakes. Now they are young professionals on their own, hungry to play and within their nature, they look for an edge. It's a learning experience to compete within the rules, but the reason we lead in league is because our youth and the drive to compete.

 

[BlueTalon]

Oh noz! We have one more player busted for PED than the next highest team! :240039:

 

[Clayfighter]

Dude. We lead the league. We're #1!!!!

I almost spit out my coffee :mrgreen: Go Hawks!

Please don't use the Grinch Belichick as an example of honesty. Spygate anyone?

 

[FidelisHawk]

Okay seriously, all kidding aside.

The difference between being a great player and being average in professional sports is small indeed. In baseball one extra hit a game, be it a gaper, a bloop single, or a dying quail, is the difference between being one of the greatest hitters to play the game or being, at best, simply average.
In basketball being able to sink a three-pointer or pull down a rebound when the heat’s on is the difference between playing or sitting on the bench. Do it often enough and you move into elite status.

In the greatest team sport the differences become even more miniscule; 1/10 of a second and you’re fast not slow, ½ a step and you’re in position not out, 2 inches of reach and you catch a football not barely miss it, 15 pounds more muscle and you push people around instead of being pushed, 3 more inches of vertical leaping ability and you’re an athlete not just average.

Yet it seems the common thread every great competitor (in any sport, business, or the political arena for that matter) has had in common; be they blessed with superior athletic attributes or not, has been their ability to focus on the task at hand. Whether it’s their extraordinary off season training, their prolific understanding of a seven hundred (or more) page playbook, their excellent comprehension of film study, the intensity and proficiency in which they practice, or just their innate ability to see and assimilate faster at game speed. This extraordinary ability to focus can turn an average player into a very good one and a very good player into a great one.

And the monetary benefit you can receive for each level is staggering. Be an average football player and you can earn hundreds of thousands of dollars, be a very good player and earn millions, be a great player and earn tens of millions or more.

Enter Adderall, the wonder drug that allows you to feel “more directed, less distracted by rogue thoughts, less day-dreamy,” as stated by a journalist who, after consulting many doctors, decided to try Adderall (nonprescription) for himself. One out of five college students ADMITS to using the drug and not having ADHD, add the stress of being a student athlete trying to graduate and one can only wonder how much higher that number can become. It is the “black beauties, crisscross’, bennies, greenies, or diet pills” of the twenty first century and is being abuse the same manner now as those were thirty, forty or even fifty years ago.

Add to this, the environment of athlete entitlement, the “randomness” of the NCAA’s random drug testing, the ability of college programs to run a “Drug Free Sport’s” program, the fact it has a half life of around 12 hours (making it be out of your system in roughly 48 to 72 hours), it’s “urban legendary” effectiveness, the relative ease one can acquire it, the possible endgame reward, and it’s a wonder every student athlete hasn’t either tried or thought about trying Adderall.

So, it surprises me not that the youngest team in the NFL has the most incidences’ of its use or that it’s the PED of choice among NFL players lately, only how few have tested positive so far. A sad testament considering (according to Sando) fifty have tested positive since 2010 assuming they are all Adderall, but does it really matter at this point?
And this year has just begun…

 

[Sarlacc83]

In case you all haven't noticed, Cryzilla only comes out when there's bad news which allows him to troll.

 

[DavidSeven]

This shows the kind of culture the Seahawks have:

Irvin also apologized to his teammates during a team meeting. That impressed Avril, who saw plenty of teammates run afoul of the law and the NFL's policies during his five seasons with the Lions.

"Honestly, it was surprising for a young player like that to want to get in front of the team and apologize and what not. That was great, though, to see that maturity in him," Avril said. "I've only known him for a few weeks now, and to see a young player actually want to go out in front of 50, 60 guys and tell them what's going on and that he's going to miss the first four games of the season, much respect to him."

http://mynorthwest.com/704/2278423/Seahawks-Cliff-Avril-dealing-with-foot-injury

In my opinion, Bruce wouldn't have called this meeting and owned up if he was playing in some other locker rooms in the NFL.

 

[volsunghawk]

Bigger.
Stronger.
Faster.
I am in.
Compete.

Now, lets step into the time machine and go back to the Ruskell years.

Smaller.
Weaker.
Slower.
Old free agents on big contracts.
We Need Dirtbags!
Houshmanzadeh never got in trouble off the field, want him back?


Talent does not always come in a pretty package. Our team has more young talent now than maybe ever in Seattle history. Young guys like to party, the same reckless abandon they have on the field is not magically turned off when they step off of it. We have one of the youngest teams in the league, most of our players are only 1, 2, or 3 years removed from the college environment, an environment where youthful indulgence rarely even makes it to the media(see Mathieu's 10 plus positive drug tests before LSU took any disciplinary steps as just one example). Some of them are wise beyond their years, RUSSELL, others are still growing into their own skins, IRVIN.

Laying all the bad decisions at the feet of Pete is only valid if you are willing to go back in time and say which less talented player/lesser risk player he should have taken instead. To his credit, Best Fight Story did that, saying he wanted one of two different players than Irvin in the first round of 2012. Both produced less last year, and Coples has been indicted by his own coaching staff as lazy. Ingram had two half sacks for the season and appears to be missing the 2013 campaign entirely for injury. The rest of you throwing stones at Irvin have been pretty sparse on player alternatives. If you are going to blame Pete for his player selection you better have an alternative.

For those of you blaming Pete for a lack of oversight, you are baseless, you simply have no clue if there is a lack of institutional oversight or not. If you think he is not enough of a disciplinarian, you simply don't get him or his mantra of competition, because every practice and game missed by Irvin is a chance for some other player to take his job away, potentially costing Irvin lots of money. Proposing some other sanction in addition to that is pretty stupid for a first offense. Sometimes the real cure for immature issues is simply time. Jared Allen took time to grow up. Golden Tate took a while to notice he was not on campus any more. I for one am glad Pete has the ability to envision what a player could become, rather than judge him from a single unflattering snapshot.

Pete's way of doing things is very different from the traditional model in the NFL. It makes him a target, for traditionalists both on and off the field. Where others see running up the score, Pete sees missed opportunities to learn. Where others see 4 game suspensions, Pete sees a regrettable learning opportunity for Irvin and a chance for a 2nd or third player to get a chance to compete.

My final note to all you who are vetting your misplaced anger right now: How many of you thought when Browner was suspended for 4 games we would win all 4? How many of you thought Jeremy Lane would rise to his opportunity?

I think I love you. :th2thumbs:

 

[dunceface]

I guess people will always post without doing their homework. The CBA does limit what they can do, I would also like to add these quotes from the Field Gulls article on the John Schneider interview.

"[Obviously very disappointed.] "I can't really talk specifics, but Pete and I sat down with Bruce, and addressed it with him. And then Bruce addressed the team."

"This is a good opportunity for someone else to step forward."

He talked a bit about doing more in-house, in terms of education, than the NFL mandates. Mike Sando notes that Schneider said the Seahawks go 'above and beyond' in that area of educating players.

On the number of failures... "does it surprise you?"

"Not surprised, I visit a lot of college campuses, and I hear what's going on there. So, no I'm not surprised."

This is an interesting point by Schneider, bringing up the idea that teams, perhaps, have to deal with more Adderall issues with incoming players than the general public may know of."

Pretty much says it all.

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