PC's weakness is showing

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Galen96":1intzl4t said:
nope.. think you're all alone...
I concur. We have achieved the first step to relevance...hatred and working on the second....the media outright lying about us. It's just the beginning relax and watch a 3 year run to greatness.
 

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PC's have lots of weaknesses. For no reason, mine will suddenly not recognize the D or E drives. And they get viruses like ALL THE TIME! This is nothing new. Move along.
 

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These aren't a group of teenagers playing on a "coach carter" type team. These are grown men getting paid real salaries to do their jobs, and it is not the head coach's job to babysit the players and teach them about mature decision making. Yes, I'm disappointed in the conduct of the team but, as I said, these are grown men, (albeit occasionally immature grown men) and while this behavior issue is distressing and must be addressed, it is not a result of Pete's coaching.
 

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Crizilla":3e60gg0m said:
just too many off the field issues. His non nonchalant, happy go lucky attitude isn't keeping the players in check. If Bellichick was coaching this team none of this would be happening. We need Pete to start giving a rats ass and not put up with crap anymore. We just aren't a very disciplined, mature team. There's gotta be somebody to agree with me here...

Pete, call a meeting or do something. Don't make RW coach the damn team
The Coach is a teacher, and also a disciplinarian. Somebody brought up Bellicheck and Spy-Gate. But after Spy-Gate I think he's appeared in the Superbowl at least once since then, so being a disciplinarian is a role that I think Bellicheck has mastered better than Pete at this point.

Pete can't be buddie buddie with his players if he also has to enforce the rules and policies and mete out punishment if somebody breaks his rules. Because if he does become buddie buddie with the very guys he has to instill discipline, he'll cut those guys too much slack because the relationship is too close.

He has to maintain a certain distance from his players, and he has to tighten up the ship by instilling a bit of fear and dread should somebody violate his rules. If a coach wants to instill fear and dread, it's a must that the coach is in an unequal relationship with the player. The coach, at this point, no longer needs or wants frienship from his players, but rather respect.
 

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Read the article I just linked in a post about how the CBA limits what can be done.

As to Pete himself, you want him to change who he is as both a person and coach. That will not and should not happen.
 

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Giedi":2gwx0pe5 said:
Crizilla":2gwx0pe5 said:
just too many off the field issues. His non nonchalant, happy go lucky attitude isn't keeping the players in check. If Bellichick was coaching this team none of this would be happening. We need Pete to start giving a rats ass and not put up with crap anymore. We just aren't a very disciplined, mature team. There's gotta be somebody to agree with me here...

Pete, call a meeting or do something. Don't make RW coach the damn team
The Coach is a teacher, and also a disciplinarian. Somebody brought up Bellicheck and Spy-Gate. But after Spy-Gate I think he's appeared in the Superbowl at least once since then, so being a disciplinarian is a role that I think Bellicheck has mastered better than Pete at this point.

Pete can't be buddie buddie with his players if he also has to enforce the rules and policies and mete out punishment if somebody breaks his rules. Because if he does become buddie buddie with the very guys he has to instill discipline, he'll cut those guys too much slack because the relationship is too close.

He has to maintain a certain distance from his players, and he has to tighten up the ship by instilling a bit of fear and dread should somebody violate his rules. If a coach wants to instill fear and dread, it's a must that the coach is in an unequal relationship with the player. The coach, at this point, no longer needs or wants frienship from his players, but rather respect.

Again I don't think Coughlin's players are buddy buddy with him, hasn't stopped the Giants from having their issues.

I think Pete will always be a players coach, that's just who he is. I agree with sc85, you can't expect him to change who he is.
 

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I guess people will always post without doing their homework. The CBA does limit what they can do, I would also like to add these quotes from the Field Gulls article on the John Schneider interview.

"[Obviously very disappointed.] "I can't really talk specifics, but Pete and I sat down with Bruce, and addressed it with him. And then Bruce addressed the team."

"This is a good opportunity for someone else to step forward."

He talked a bit about doing more in-house, in terms of education, than the NFL mandates. Mike Sando notes that Schneider said the Seahawks go 'above and beyond' in that area of educating players.

On the number of failures... "does it surprise you?"

"Not surprised, I visit a lot of college campuses, and I hear what's going on there. So, no I'm not surprised."

This is an interesting point by Schneider, bringing up the idea that teams, perhaps, have to deal with more Adderall issues with incoming players than the general public may know of."

Pretty much says it all.
 

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Yep. As I stated a few times since the news broke about Bruce, the team can educate and educate and educate, but at the end of the day it's up to the players to actually listen to what they're being told and act upon it in the right way. These are grown men not five-year-olds.
 

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Gee Whiz Criz, did ya hear that?
Ya see, every time a bell rings, an angel gets his wings ;)
 

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WestcoastSteve":2v1qcxya said:
Giedi":2v1qcxya said:
The Coach is a teacher, and also a disciplinarian. Somebody brought up Bellicheck and Spy-Gate. But after Spy-Gate I think he's appeared in the Superbowl at least once since then, so being a disciplinarian is a role that I think Bellicheck has mastered better than Pete at this point.

Pete can't be buddie buddie with his players if he also has to enforce the rules and policies and mete out punishment if somebody breaks his rules. Because if he does become buddie buddie with the very guys he has to instill discipline, he'll cut those guys too much slack because the relationship is too close.

He has to maintain a certain distance from his players, and he has to tighten up the ship by instilling a bit of fear and dread should somebody violate his rules. If a coach wants to instill fear and dread, it's a must that the coach is in an unequal relationship with the player. The coach, at this point, no longer needs or wants frienship from his players, but rather respect.

Again I don't think Coughlin's players are buddy buddy with him, hasn't stopped the Giants from having their issues.

I think Pete will always be a players coach, that's just who he is. I agree with sc85, you can't expect him to change who he is.
If he doesn't change, then he'll continue to get the same violations he's getting right now. At least Coughlin and Bellicheck have *less* PED violations than Pete. My point is simply that *something* has to change, maybe the physical training staff, maybe an internal testing done by the Seahawks themselves. I think the best would be for Pete to mature in his relationship with his players, and understand that if he doesn't maintain control of these guys, he can lose not only games, but his job too. 6 PED violations which lead the league is not good for the seattle seahawks. It exposes them to fines and possible loss of draft picks if the league finds a PED conspiracy something akin to *spy-gate* or *bounty-gate.*
 

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Jesus...over react much do you? Like the guy said. Who can't keep tabs on and control 53-90 grown men 24-7. When you figure it out, let us all know. Please, i am dying to know. As Pete said in todays OTA presser. The team talks to every player about the rules and playing hard and competing drug free, with integrity. They can only tell them not too and warn of the consequences. They cannot control them. Like when i told my 17 yr old daughter not to drink at a party. Like she was going to listen. The problem here is this. The two worst teams in the NFL since 2011 with PEDS abuse it Washington and Seattle. What do those two teams have in common. They are the top two teams in youngest average players in the NFL. Young equals stupid, and that cannot be changed. Pete will continue to warn them of the problems, and if there where ongoing problems with any of those guys, Pete would boot them from the team. However, from the list of 6 guys who have been suspended. Non have repeated in Seattle, and about half of them are no longer on the team. So this is a total non issue. Stop making something out of nothing. That is the media's job, so they can sell airtime.
 

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maybe they need to find a good adderall substitute; something that works the same way for players, but isn't banned by the league.

although; i thought sherman played better without it. i mean... assuming he was ever on it to begin with.

anyway, it almost seems like some of these players need a new drug; something not banned by the league.
 

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mrblitz":ormsjzh9 said:
maybe they need to find a good adderall substitute; something that works the same way for players, but isn't banned by the league.

although; i thought sherman played better without it. i mean... assuming he was ever on it to begin with.

anyway, it almost seems like some of these players need a new drug; something not banned by the league.

"One that does what it should
One that won't make me feel too bad
One that won't make me feel too good" 8)
 

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Why can't we just hire Dr. Feelgood as another team Doc? He understands how many troubled youth with ADHD have been forced into a life of football and need a prescription for Adderal to stay focused enough to learn the play book.
 

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This post show's the problem with some in our society who have completely bought into the "there is no such things as personal responsibility" mantra.

The coach is just that a coach. His job is the care about what his team does on the field, not what they do away from the field. Those who make "bad choices" are the ones
who are responsible not the coach, the GM, the trainer.

PC has not the time nor the staff to monitor a roster of people all the time and he shouldn't be anyway it isn't his role. He and his staff should give the team advise as to how to act but at the end of the day
those actions fall completely on the individual. Period dot.
 

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FidelisHawk":2jwsq10j said:
mrblitz":2jwsq10j said:
maybe they need to find a good adderall substitute; something that works the same way for players, but isn't banned by the league.

although; i thought sherman played better without it. i mean... assuming he was ever on it to begin with.

anyway, it almost seems like some of these players need a new drug; something not banned by the league.

"One that does what it should
One that won't make me feel too bad
One that won't make me feel too good" 8)
Nice.
 

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Pete just needs to put one of these bad boys in the Locker room! Simple!
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Why can't we blame parents (both present and absent) at a higher level than coaches?
 
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