Panther thread, lets take a in depth look at our opponent.

[Joat]

After the might your O showed last season against us I get the enthusiasm...

 

[dontbelikethat]

That was during the beginning of the season, and as the team progressed through out it, they scored 58 on a good Cardinals defense and 42 on a good 49ers defense to nitpick some stats, in which also both are better than the Carolina defense. Many other occasions in which they scored nearly 30 points. Averaged 50 points a game during the 3 week span against Arizona, Buffalo, San Fran, but again nitpicking stats. Obviously every point wasn't scored by the offense(most was), but it's definitely capable of big things (ATL playoff game) and fairly consistent during the later part of last season. There's much enthusiasm for the Offense, and when the Defense has already justified its high ranking, there's much optimism in Seahawk land.

May have had a bad outing against Carolina near the beginning of last season, but as the season progressed, the offense took huge steps forward and flashed dominance.

 

[Joat]

You're right, it was at the beginning of the season when Carolina's offense as a whole was dreadful and searching for an identity.

You have every right to be optimistic, but you're foolish to think Carolina doesn't have the right to the same enthusiasm.

 

[dontbelikethat]

You're right, it was at the beginning of the season when Carolina's offense as a whole was dreadful and searching for an identity.

You have every right to be optimistic, but you're foolish to think Carolina doesn't have the right to the same enthusiasm.

I'm sure things improved and I don't think anyone denied you the right to be excited for your team. But when you're on another teams board, I'm pretty sure you should be prepared to temper your enthusiasm and expect the others because we're pretty much not going to see eye to eye on much as opponents and obviously there is some bias with everyone's opinion.

Also, this thread was obviously made to poke fun at the Panthers. I think most people on this board expect a close game. A better thread for you is probably:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71498

 

[Scottemojo]

You're right, it was at the beginning of the season when Carolina's offense as a whole was dreadful and searching for an identity.

You have every right to be optimistic, but you're foolish to think Carolina doesn't have the right to the same enthusiasm.

Every team has enthusiasm before the first game, as do the fans. Who told you you don't have the right? If you are looking for a fight and want to prop yourself up with straw men, look elsewhere.

Carolina looks to have improved up the middle on defense. Better DT, better safety.

Carolina fans were promised a pretty massive shift in philosphy now that Chud is gone, but I have not seen it in the execution of the offense, especially behind center. IMO, Cam can do what Cam can do. And he does it well.

Fun fact, Seattle played 3 QBs who run some read option last year. None scored more than 14, and Carolina's 3 offensive points were by far the worst showing. I know Carolina fans are putting a lot of stock in the suspension of Irvin, mostly because his sack/caused fumble to end last year's tilt is the lasting image, but Irvin was a speed rusher, nothing else. And he isn't even playing DE this year.

I watched the Carolina game a few times. I am sure you will too. Carolina was gifted a drive killing INT that bounced off Lynch's hands, but otherwise played solid D. That game fell in the pre-Free Russell Wilson era, so some of it has to be taken with a grain of salt. I suggest you watch a few other games if you want to know what you are more likely to face this year. I know watching some of the Carolina games later in their season gave a lot more shape to that team than just the one we played vs.

A lot has been made of your late season surge, winning 4 of 6 to finish. I say, pffft. meh. whatever. Beating the hapless Raiders, dead man walking Chargers, dysfunctional and truly terrible Eagles, and hanging 44 on the worst statistical defense EVER sported by the Saints is reason for a little optimism, I guess. Beating a soft D in Atlanta is reason for pride, but should be more than erased by a loss to the Chiefs, of all teams. Your late season surge was smoke and mirrors, is what I am saying.

Honestly, my biggest concern is the heat. No doubt the Panthers will don whites if the temps are going to be high.

 

[Joat]

I know the intent of the thread, but it was one of a couple of threads where discussion was occuring.

I understand I'm in "enemy" territory, but I think it's funny that one team is allowed to be optimistic while the other not so much?

We played a terrible game last year, one of the worst of the year for us, and we only lost by 4. Why wouldn't I think it's reasonable to expect a win for the home team, on opening day, 3k miles from the opponents turf?

 

[Scottemojo]

I know the intent of the thread, but it was one of a couple of threads where discussion was occuring.

I understand I'm in "enemy" territory, but I think it's funny that one team is allowed to be optimistic while the other not so much?

We played a terrible game last year, one of the worst of the year for us, and we only lost by 4. Why wouldn't I think it's reasonable to expect a win for the home team, on opening day, 3k miles from the opponents turf?

Of course you can expect a win. It's just that your reasons include more "ifs" than ours.

 

[dontbelikethat]

No one is denying you the ability to be optimistic about your team, it's just that when you're on "enemy territory", expect different opinions than your own. You can believe in your team, but obviously we're not going to be as high on them as you are, but still, no one is telling you that you can't be excited. If you think the Panthers will win, than good for you, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that most of us are going to disagree for obvious reasons.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I know the intent of the thread, but it was one of a couple of threads where discussion was occuring.

I understand I'm in "enemy" territory, but I think it's funny that one team is allowed to be optimistic while the other not so much?

We played a terrible game last year, one of the worst of the year for us, and we only lost by 4. Why wouldn't I think it's reasonable to expect a win for the home team, on opening day, 3k miles from the opponents turf?

You played a terrible game. The worst of the year.

You also played us. Alot of teams last year played thier worst games against us.

Coincidence?

 

[Joat]

I know the intent of the thread, but it was one of a couple of threads where discussion was occuring.

I understand I'm in "enemy" territory, but I think it's funny that one team is allowed to be optimistic while the other not so much?

We played a terrible game last year, one of the worst of the year for us, and we only lost by 4. Why wouldn't I think it's reasonable to expect a win for the home team, on opening day, 3k miles from the opponents turf?

You played a terrible game. The worst of the year.

You also played us. Alot of teams last year played thier worst games against us.

Coincidence?

Yes, partly.


It wasn't our worst game though. I'd give that to the Cheifs game after dude offed himself in the parking lot. They were on a mission and we made it easy.

 

[pmedic920]

We played a terrible game last year, one of the worst of the year for us, and we only lost by 4. Why wouldn't I think it's reasonable to expect a win for the home team, on opening day, 3k miles from the opponents turf?[/quote]


Because the opponent is THE Seattle Seahawks.

 

[lukerguy]

Steve Smith is an older Golden Tate. They are like the same player.

I think that's a pretty big insult to Steve Smith's career.. He's got 11,500 career receiving yards. I can't see Golden Tate ever being the best WR in the game at any point in his career like Steve Smith was in 05 (led in catches, yards, and TDs for WR)

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

Ted Ginn jr. returning kicks scares the crap out of me.

He's always scared me. Seems like he always burns the Hawks. I was so glad when he left the 49ers. Now we get him week 1.

This! Of all the niners he was the guy I least wanted to see with the ball.

 

[mretrade]

The Golden Tate comparison to Steve Smith is laughable. They aren't even the same type of receivers.

 

[chris98251]

Steve Smith was shut down by a single coverage scheme with a linebacker on him in Seattle if memory serves. May have my years mixed up, but I do remember his tantrum on the sidelines.

 

[chawx]

More in-depth analysis and my predicted post-game reaction from Cam.

 

[Mick063]

The Golden Tate comparison to Steve Smith is laughable. They aren't even the same type of receivers.

Remember the year Seattle went to the Super Bowl? In that season, Steve Smith made one of the most memorable plays I can recall. Against the Bears, in the playoffs, where he caught the long bomb and then slid down the goal post like a firefighter's pole. Tate will never be THAT player.

As for this moment in time?

I would call them comparable, but only because Smith is on the downside of his career and Tate is reaching his prime. Even now, though, Tate doesn't separate from defenders like Smith does.

 

[kearly]

Golden Tate isn't really anything like Steve Smith. I do think the Seahawks have a poor man's Steve Smith on this roster though. Or maybe I should say a "fresh" version.

A lot has been made of your late season surge, winning 4 of 6 to finish. I say, pffft. meh. whatever. Beating the hapless Raiders, dead man walking Chargers, dysfunctional and truly terrible Eagles, and hanging 44 on the worst statistical defense EVER sported by the Saints is reason for a little optimism, I guess. Beating a soft D in Atlanta is reason for pride, but should be more than erased by a loss to the Chiefs, of all teams. Your late season surge was smoke and mirrors, is what I am saying.

FWIW, Seattle beat some iffy teams during their late season hot streak in 2011 which in part helped vault them in 2012. Typically only lucky teams and good teams rip off winning streaks, and at least according to FO the Panthers were more good than lucky during that stretch. I think Arizona starting 4-0 was smoke and mirrors. Carolina, I think they had something going.

The game the Panthers lost- Kansas City- Brady Quinn had an unreal performance in that game and he just barely won. Don't ask me what that was all about, but it seemed like an extreme outlier given how solid the Panther's defense was in every other game post-Kuechly-at-MLB game. That game by Quinn was so impressive, I have little doubt it's the reason Seattle signed him just in case there was something to it. I seem to recall the Seahawks signing another big name QB the year before entirely because of a single impressive performance.