Offensive Coordinator replacement for 2016

[Grahamhawker]

I honestly think Sark will end up here

Instant upgrade.

^^
I'd take a drunk OC over a simply brain-dead one pretty much every time.

Considering your post, I can see why a lack of sobriety would appeal to you.

Well, at least with the inebriated OC you've got a chance.

And while you're at it, make it doubles for Sark and me!

Heavy on the :sarcasm_off:

 

[Siouxhawk]

I'll take an OC who has helped us to the last two Super Bowls, thank you very much.

 

[massari]

I'll take an OC who has helped us to the last two Super Bowls, thank you very much.

So by your logic, you'd rather have Jermaine Kearse over Odell Beckham because we went to the last two SB's with Kearse's help.

They actually might of won 3 SB's if they had a different OC. You never Know.

 

[Siouxhawk]

I'll take an OC who has helped us to the last two Super Bowls, thank you very much.

So by your logic, you'd rather have Jermaine Kearse over Odell Beckham because we went to the last two SB's with Kearse's help.

They actually might of won 3 SB's if they had a different OC. You never Know.

That's not the logic at all. But I do believe he is the right fit for the job and has a proven track record that I believe will evolve again as this season wears on. I just think there's just too many overreactionaries on here that always have to find blame for losses. This team has a tendency to pick up steam as the season forges on and I would expect nothing but that again this year.

 

[bjornanderson21]

To the people saying Cable:

He failed as a HC with the Raiders. He was demoted to OL coach with the Hawks and has been as big a failure as Bevell. Cable has never been an OC.

What part of that ugly resume screams "next Hawks OC" ?

 

[Scottemojo]

I'll take an OC who has helped us to the last two Super Bowls, thank you very much.

Who can't win a game if the other team scores more than 24.

 

[Scottemojo]

I'll take an OC who has helped us to the last two Super Bowls, thank you very much.

So by your logic, you'd rather have Jermaine Kearse over Odell Beckham because we went to the last two SB's with Kearse's help.

They actually might of won 3 SB's if they had a different OC. You never Know.

That's not the logic at all. But I do believe he is the right fit for the job and has a proven track record that I believe will evolve again as this season wears on. I just think there's just too many overreactionaries on here that always have to find blame for losses. This team has a tendency to pick up steam as the season forges on and I would expect nothing but that again this year.

So you think he needs to evolve? Why?

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Wasting your time Scott. He doesn't have any pat, copy and paste responses to your questions.

 

[Atradees]

Unless he takes a better job Bevell is right here. You dont start replacing coordinators until you have multiple losing seasons. Why? Because it could get worse than multiple superbowls.

 

[Sac]

Gruden.

Jay Gruden would be fantastic.

That's actually what I meant. After Snyder fires him after this season he'd be an awesome I coordinator for us I think.

 

[LymonHawk]

I think I'll jump in here and add few thoughts myself.

First of all, I'm not much of an X & O guy, I'm more of a head & heart guy. I've always felt it's more about execution than design. Do you need good design? Certainly. But you can be the greatest 'designer' in the universe, but if people don't execute, what does it matter?

Why would you want more intricate design if your players cannot execute simple design? Ever hear the expression, 'Ya gotta learn to walk before you learn to run'? Duh!

And the mantra of 'You can design plays that bring out the strengths and diminish the weaknesses.' You think Bevell and PC don't realize this? You believe they have achieved the success they have because they're brain dead? If that's all it takes, why aren't at least one of you Einsteins a HOF QB? Hey, all you have to do is design plays bringing out your strengths, etc. Put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig.

'Yeah, but look at RW stats for the first three years!' :34853_doh: G-d, I hate that argument. Here's a secret folks, what you did yesterday means squat about your talent today! If it's only about yesterday's stats, maybe we should just show opposing teams RW's stats from three years ago. We could post them on the Jumbotron...I'm sure when other defenses see that, they'll just lie down and assume the fetal position. :180670:

Sorry about bringing a little reality here folks, resume the incessant whining and finger pointing.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Agree with most of what you had to say Lymon. However when opposing teams are running your routes with you as explained by Brock and talked about on these boards, I think a change in approach is called for. Something a bit more imaginative perhaps.

We saw a change at d-coordinator from Bradley to Quinn with excellent results. I believe with the right hire, the same thing could happen on the other side of the ball.

 

[kearly]

At the end of the day, you are judged by the overall performance, which is measured in statistical performance and wins. Both are areas that our offense has excelled in over the last three years.

None of that statistical success has gotten Bevell a HC job, while our DCs are landing jobs every 2 years. To me it's pretty clear that Bevell is more beneficiary than manufacturer.

 

[DavidSeven]

At the end of the day, you are judged by the overall performance, which is measured in statistical performance and wins. Both are areas that our offense has excelled in over the last three years.

Funny how none of that statistical success has gotten Bevell a HC job, while our DCs are landing jobs every 2 years.

How many OCs with no HC experience have been hired as HCs in the last two years? Jay Gruden is the only one, and he's living off his brother's reputation. Are we saying every NFL OC is terrible because they haven't landed HC jobs in the last two years? Bevell has interviewed more than most, so I guess this argument says he must be among the best?

The entire league is trending toward D-coordinators or HC retreads to fill HC vacancies. Of course, with the stink of the last SB on him, I doubt anyone takes a chance on Bevell at this point, but that really says nothing qualitatively about his abilities.

 

[kearly]

How many OCs with no HC experience have been hired as HCs in the last two years? Jay Gruden is the only one, and he's living off his brother's reputation. Are we saying every NFL OC is terrible because they haven't landed HC jobs in the last two years? Bevell has interviewed more than most, so I guess this argument says he must be among the best?

The entire league is trending toward D-coordinators or HC retreads to fill HC vacancies. Of course, with the stink of the last SB on him, I doubt anyone takes a chance on Bevell at this point, but that really says nothing qualitatively about his abilities.

Two years is a small sample size. Bevell is in his tenth season as an offensive coordinator. How many OC's have been hired in that span?

Not only has Bevell not been hired as a HC, but his former team, the Vikings, had him for five years before giving him permission to make a lateral move to Seattle. I know you'll say that Frazier might have wanted a new OC, but I'd disagree with that for two reasons. The first is that Frazier and Bevell had coached together for years, and the second reason is that new regimes will often keep coaches they see promise in, like Pete Carroll did with Bradley and Quinn. I always thought it was telling that Minny let Bevell go and nobody there seemed to miss him.

As far as the hires the last two years, organizations are in the business of hiring the best coaches available, it's a stretch to say they are avoiding OCs out of some kind of league trend. If teams thought Bevell was the next Mike Holmgren or Sean Payton, they wouldn't have said "no thanks, the league is trending away from OC's right now." They'd have hired him.

I get that you are trying to be fair to Bevell and your anti-reactionary impulses are kicking in, but that doesn't mean you have to defend every angle. I don't think Bevell is the worst OC in the league, but (with respect) I think the stats angle fails to hold water because we all know the reason why the stats are the way they are and it's not because of Bevell. Additionally, I think if the stats argument were valid, Bevell would have been hired as a HC by now. I respect what you are trying to do, but I think those two things are self-evident.

 

[DavidSeven]

Kip, he's been essentially DQ'ed from all HC vacancies by virtue of making the SB two years in a row. Atlanta waiting for Quinn was an exception to the rule, and that was the first time any organization has done that in perhaps forever.

There's a good chance he gets the Redskins job in 2014 if Seattle wasn't in the Super Bowl. Along with Gruden, he was projected as a favorite to land that job. The year before that, he was a serious candidate for the Arizona vacancy before pulling himself out.

If you try to go out any further than that, you're just talking about a young coordinator who likely isn't going to get a lot of HC opportunities. Again, if we apply this logic leage-wide, Kyle Shanahan, Pep Hamilton, Scott Linehan, etc. must suck too, as they also haven't been handed any HC jobs.

The fact that Frazier let Bevell walk away is a fair argument, but Minnesota also interviewed Bevell for their HC vacancy two years ago, so obviously the Minnesota management/ownership didn't think he was completely incompetent. More likely, Frazier just wanted a fresh start after the Childress era ended really badly.

 

[chris98251]

Biggest reason we have Bevell is because he got TJack and they thought a smooth transition to the same system would be a benefit. It's also why we got Rice at the time.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Kip, he's been essentially DQ'ed from all HC vacancies by virtue of making the SB two years in a row. Atlanta waiting for Quinn was an exception to the rule, and that was the first time any organization has done that in perhaps forever.

There's a good chance he gets the Redskins job in 2014 if Seattle wasn't in the Super Bowl. Along with Gruden, he was projected as a favorite to land that job. The year before that, he was a serious candidate for the Arizona vacancy before pulling himself out.

If you try to go out any further than that, you're just talking about a young coordinator who likely isn't going to get a lot of HC opportunities. Again, if we apply this logic leage-wide, Kyle Shanahan, Pep Hamilton, Scott Linehan, etc. must suck too, as they also haven't been handed any HC jobs.

The fact that Frazier let Bevell walk away is a fair argument, but Minnesota also interviewed Bevell for their HC vacancy two years ago, so obviously the Minnesota management/ownership didn't think he was completely incompetent. More likely, Frazier just wanted a fresh start after the Childress era ended really badly.

Scott Linehan has been a head coach before, and he did a poor job at it, Pep Hamilton is a relatively new face -- he's only been an offensive coordinator in the NFL since Bruce Arians departed for Arizona. Colt fans don't seem to think that much of the guy. Kyle Shanahan has also only been an OC in the NFL for a few years --- he is also the youngest coordinator in the entire NFL.

Also.. even though the Seahawks were in the Superbowl that didn't stop the Falcons when they wanted Dan Quinn.

 

[kearly]

If you try to go out any further than that, you're just talking about a young coordinator who likely isn't going to get a lot of HC opportunities. Again, if we apply this logic leage-wide, Kyle Shanahan, Pep Hamilton, Scott Linehan, etc. must suck too, as they also haven't been handed any HC jobs.

Pep Hamilton has been an OC for 2 years. Kyle Shanahan was fired by his own father. Scott Linehan is a former head coach and a crappy one at that.

I never said Bevell was so bad he couldn't get interviews. But interviews are often just part of a brainstorming session by teams.

Tenth year in the league, nobody has said yes to the guy. It's really hard for me to not put stock in that. Especially when the Bevell comments I hear outside of Seattle from league followers seem to wear a smirk every time. When that one league observer talked about Bevell going 'guru mode' before the SB, that's when I started to realize that the book is out on the guy.

 

[rideaducati]

I think I'll jump in here and add few thoughts myself.

First of all, I'm not much of an X & O guy, I'm more of a head & heart guy. I've always felt it's more about execution than design. Do you need good design? Certainly. But you can be the greatest 'designer' in the universe, but if people don't execute, what does it matter?

Why would you want more intricate design if your players cannot execute simple design? Ever hear the expression, 'Ya gotta learn to walk before you learn to run'? Duh!

And the mantra of 'You can design plays that bring out the strengths and diminish the weaknesses.' You think Bevell and PC don't realize this? You believe they have achieved the success they have because they're brain dead? If that's all it takes, why aren't at least one of you Einsteins a HOF QB? Hey, all you have to do is design plays bringing out your strengths, etc. Put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig.

'Yeah, but look at RW stats for the first three years!' :34853_doh: G-d, I hate that argument. Here's a secret folks, what you did yesterday means squat about your talent today! If it's only about yesterday's stats, maybe we should just show opposing teams RW's stats from three years ago. We could post them on the Jumbotron...I'm sure when other defenses see that, they'll just lie down and assume the fetal position. :180670:

Sorry about bringing a little reality here folks, resume the incessant whining and finger pointing.

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