NFC West Training Camp

[Maulbert]

A little off topic, but IMHO if poor field conditions like Levi's, and the ones in Pissburgh and DC are not playable due to other events, then the NFL needs to have them make a choice. If you cannot have safe playable conditions then you either switch to field turf or not have the other events that tear up the field. That is if the NFL really is concerned about player safety.

I concur. I'll never forget seeing this in Pittsburgh on a Monday night.

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[rideaducati]

Santa Clara just keeps throwing taxpayer money away by re sodding Levi's field 8 times per year. How many millions are they going to throw away before they come to a conclusion that would make some sense?

Nice little villainous storyline you got there, but the team is paying for the sod.

Funny how these things go...either York is too cheap to put in turf because its more expensive (its not), or its the city whos paying for it so York is wasting their money. Funny how the argument shifts to make York the villain in either case.

Oh well... Either way I put it, the Levi's field sucks and someone is wasting a lot of other people's money by replacing it 8 times a year. If York is paying for it, he's just going to raise the price of something else to make up the difference, so I guess it would be paid for by the ticket holders. I don't really care who is paying for it, but whoever it happens to be is throwing money away at a high rate.

I'm not saying York is too cheap, but he doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb when it comes to spending WISELY.

I'm truly amazed.

You actually found a THIRD was to make York the villain. Impressive.

York is the BEST owner of an opposing team I could ever want Marv...

Is York REALLY the fight you want to pick Marv? There is picking battles and then there is picking battles WISELY...You're just picking battles.

 

[ringless]

Good news coming out of training camp is that Tyrann looks better than ever and fully healed. Has literally been unstoppable against every pass in his direction. Tips, interceptions, absolutely everywhere. Says he knows this will be his best year as well.

 

[rideaducati]

Good news coming out of training camp is that Tyrann looks better than ever and fully healed. Has literally been unstoppable against every pass in his direction. Tips, interceptions, absolutely everywhere. Says he knows this will be his best year as well.

Probably says more about the QB play than anything else. I heard Peterson got burned again too. Some things never change. :stirthepot:

 

[ringless]

I was the one who said he got burned by John brown lol. Qbs had a great day except when Tyrann was in the area.

 

[Marvin49]

Nice little villainous storyline you got there, but the team is paying for the sod.

Funny how these things go...either York is too cheap to put in turf because its more expensive (its not), or its the city whos paying for it so York is wasting their money. Funny how the argument shifts to make York the villain in either case.

Oh well... Either way I put it, the Levi's field sucks and someone is wasting a lot of other people's money by replacing it 8 times a year. If York is paying for it, he's just going to raise the price of something else to make up the difference, so I guess it would be paid for by the ticket holders. I don't really care who is paying for it, but whoever it happens to be is throwing money away at a high rate.

I'm not saying York is too cheap, but he doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb when it comes to spending WISELY.

I'm truly amazed.

You actually found a THIRD was to make York the villain. Impressive.

York is the BEST owner of an opposing team I could ever want Marv...

Is York REALLY the fight you want to pick Marv? There is picking battles and then there is picking battles WISELY...You're just picking battles.

Sorry man....arguments like the one(s) you are making are precisely the problem. You decide Yorks a bum so paint EVERYTHING that happens with that brush. If he uses field turf, uses grass....no matter what he does you'll spin it to him being a bad owner.

That's pretty much whats gone on all offseason. Anything he does or says is painted in the exact same way. I don't even dislike Jed. The media circus around him this past year is simply ludicrous. Want an example?

He says he wants them to contend for a SB every year. That's spun into he'll fire any coach that doesn't get them there every year. That's what every owner should say.

He says they need to get back to what they are good at on offense. He meant like 2012 but the media and fans paint it as he meant pre-Harbaugh. He didn't.

He cites Steve Kerr as an example of a team letting a popular coach go and getting a better result and he's destroyed in the media because everyone has already decided Tomsula will fail.

Basically, peeps CONSTANTLY make inferences to what he's saying and then go out of their way to skew them in the worst possible light.

FACT: Jed Hired McCloughan. FACT: Jed hired Baalke. FACT: Jed hired Harbaugh. FACT: Jed got the stadium built neither his uncle or anyone else could. FACT: Jed got the team back to 3 straight NFC title games. That was all Jeds reign.

Now he fires a guy because it became appearant was a problem for him, management, AND the players. No he's just a spoiled brat and a moron?

Making that leap is ludicrous to me and is pretty much a lazy way to look at the situation.

 

[rideaducati]

Oh well... Either way I put it, the Levi's field sucks and someone is wasting a lot of other people's money by replacing it 8 times a year. If York is paying for it, he's just going to raise the price of something else to make up the difference, so I guess it would be paid for by the ticket holders. I don't really care who is paying for it, but whoever it happens to be is throwing money away at a high rate.

I'm not saying York is too cheap, but he doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb when it comes to spending WISELY.

I'm truly amazed.

You actually found a THIRD was to make York the villain. Impressive.

York is the BEST owner of an opposing team I could ever want Marv...

Is York REALLY the fight you want to pick Marv? There is picking battles and then there is picking battles WISELY...You're just picking battles.

Sorry man....arguments like the one(s) you are making are precisely the problem. You decide Yorks a bum so paint EVERYTHING that happens with that brush. If he uses field turf, uses grass....no matter what he does you'll spin it to him being a bad owner.

That's pretty much whats gone on all offseason. Anything he does or says is painted in the exact same way. I don't even dislike Jed. The media circus around him this past year is simply ludicrous. Want an example?

He says he wants them to contend for a SB every year. That's spun into he'll fire any coach that doesn't get them there every year. That's what every owner should say.

He says they need to get back to what they are good at on offense. He meant like 2012 but the media and fans paint it as he meant pre-Harbaugh. He didn't.

He cites Steve Kerr as an example of a team letting a popular coach go and getting a better result and he's destroyed in the media because everyone has already decided Tomsula will fail.

Basically, peeps CONSTANTLY make inferences to what he's saying and then go out of their way to skew them in the worst possible light.

FACT: Jed Hired McCloughan. FACT: Jed hired Baalke. FACT: Jed hired Harbaugh. FACT: Jed got the stadium built neither his uncle or anyone else could. FACT: Jed got the team back to 3 straight NFC title games. That was all Jeds reign.

Now he fires a guy because it became appearant was a problem for him, management, AND the players. No he's just a spoiled brat and a moron?

Making that leap is ludicrous to me and is pretty much a lazy way to look at the situation.

How convenient of you to leave out that he also hired Singletary... :stirthepot:

Welcome to .Net.

 

[Rex]

:snack:

 

[Sports Hernia]

A little off topic, but IMHO if poor field conditions like Levi's, and the ones in Pissburgh and DC are not playable due to other events, then the NFL needs to have them make a choice. If you cannot have safe playable conditions then you either switch to field turf or not have the other events that tear up the field. That is if the NFL really is concerned about player safety.

I concur. I'll never forget seeing this in Pittsburgh on a Monday night.

[youtube]x7DTNEa2E7w[/youtube]

Yeah #83 is lucky he didn't snap an ankle or 2.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Nice little villainous storyline you got there, but the team is paying for the sod.

Funny how these things go...either York is too cheap to put in turf because its more expensive (its not), or its the city whos paying for it so York is wasting their money. Funny how the argument shifts to make York the villain in either case.

Oh well... Either way I put it, the Levi's field sucks and someone is wasting a lot of other people's money by replacing it 8 times a year. If York is paying for it, he's just going to raise the price of something else to make up the difference, so I guess it would be paid for by the ticket holders. I don't really care who is paying for it, but whoever it happens to be is throwing money away at a high rate.

I'm not saying York is too cheap, but he doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb when it comes to spending WISELY.

I'm truly amazed.

You actually found a THIRD was to make York the villain. Impressive.

York is the BEST owner of an opposing team I could ever want Marv...

Is York REALLY the fight you want to pick Marv? There is picking battles and then there is picking battles WISELY...You're just picking battles.

Sorry man....arguments like the one(s) you are making are precisely the problem. You decide Yorks a bum so paint EVERYTHING that happens with that brush. If he uses field turf, uses grass....no matter what he does you'll spin it to him being a bad owner.

That's pretty much whats gone on all offseason. Anything he does or says is painted in the exact same way. I don't even dislike Jed. The media circus around him this past year is simply ludicrous. Want an example?

He says he wants them to contend for a SB every year. That's spun into he'll fire any coach that doesn't get them there every year. That's what every owner should say.

He says they need to get back to what they are good at on offense. He meant like 2012 but the media and fans paint it as he meant pre-Harbaugh. He didn't.

He cites Steve Kerr as an example of a team letting a popular coach go and getting a better result and he's destroyed in the media because everyone has already decided Tomsula will fail.

Basically, peeps CONSTANTLY make inferences to what he's saying and then go out of their way to skew them in the worst possible light.

FACT: Jed Hired McCloughan. FACT: Jed hired Baalke. FACT: Jed hired Harbaugh. FACT: Jed got the stadium built neither his uncle or anyone else could. FACT: Jed got the team back to 3 straight NFC title games. That was all Jeds reign.

Now he fires a guy because it became appearant was a problem for him, management, AND the players. No he's just a spoiled brat and a moron?

Making that leap is ludicrous to me and is pretty much a lazy way to look at the situation.

:roll:
Poor Jedthro, always the victim.


I think after a few more years like last year and you'll see that maybe some of us are right about Jed.
......but as you are fond of saying, we will see.

 

[RichNhansom]

Santa Clara just keeps throwing taxpayer money away by re sodding Levi's field 8 times per year. How many millions are they going to throw away before they come to a conclusion that would make some sense?

Nice little villainous storyline you got there, but the team is paying for the sod.

Funny how these things go...either York is too cheap to put in turf because its more expensive (its not), or its the city whos paying for it so York is wasting their money. Funny how the argument shifts to make York the villain in either case.

This seems kind of odd to me. If the Yorks are paying for the repairs then why are they continuing to have multiple events that damage it before it is healthy enough to withstand the punishment? Again assuming you are correct about the over use or lack of time to grow in is really the problem.

Is it cheaper to pay for the repair 8 or 9 times a year than to skip a couple events? Hopefully that is not the motive because player safety is at stake and not just for NFL players but any athlete that uses the field.

I know you want to protect York but if what you say is true about the over use then greed is the only motivating factor I can think of as to why they won't hold of on scheduling events and if that is the case then aren't you the one painting the Yorks as the villain?

 

[ringless]

49ers:

Did not practice: RB Reggie Bush, DL Darnell Dockett, OLB Aaron Lynch, RB Kendall Hunter, DB Jimmie Ward, WR Issac Blakeney.

I am surprised to see Dockett again out. Before todays practice they said he didn't practice because only the base package was practiced and that he would practice today in Nickel. But that didn't happen. Today was the 2nd day out of 11 days of training camp. I didn't consider him a loss this year since its been 20 months since he has even played a game for us. And I know you aren't guilty of this but a lot of 49er fans do expect an impact from him. However Im starting to doubt it. Im wondering if he will even really see the field at all. The fact that he hasn't played a game since December 29th 2013. Fell behind in recovery. Did not practice in OTA's. And has not practiced in 2/11 training camp practices has to have one a little concerned about this season with him.

 

[Marvin49]

49ers:

Did not practice: RB Reggie Bush, DL Darnell Dockett, OLB Aaron Lynch, RB Kendall Hunter, DB Jimmie Ward, WR Issac Blakeney.

I am surprised to see Dockett again out. Before todays practice they said he didn't practice because only the base package was practiced and that he would practice today in Nickel. But that didn't happen. Today was the 2nd day out of 11 days of training camp. I didn't consider him a loss this year since its been 20 months since he has even played a game for us. And I know you aren't guilty of this but a lot of 49er fans do expect an impact from him. However Im starting to doubt it. Im wondering if he will even really see the field at all. The fact that he hasn't played a game since December 29th 2013. Fell behind in recovery. Did not practice in OTA's. And has not practiced in 2/11 training camp practices has to have one a little concerned about this season with him.

Relax. He's fine. Tomsula was asked about it this morning and he simply said that it's his practice with ACLs to bring them along slow. He's been cleared to practice and he's not on any injury list. I think your simply reading too much into it.

I do expect tho that there is a very good chance he'll be a situational player in SF. Even with Justin and McDonald gone, they are pretty deep there. If I'm betting, I think the "starting" line will be Dial/Williams/Dorsey and the Nickel line will be Aldon-Dockett-Carradine-Lynch.

 

[Marvin49]

I'm truly amazed.

You actually found a THIRD was to make York the villain. Impressive.

York is the BEST owner of an opposing team I could ever want Marv...

Is York REALLY the fight you want to pick Marv? There is picking battles and then there is picking battles WISELY...You're just picking battles.

Sorry man....arguments like the one(s) you are making are precisely the problem. You decide Yorks a bum so paint EVERYTHING that happens with that brush. If he uses field turf, uses grass....no matter what he does you'll spin it to him being a bad owner.

That's pretty much whats gone on all offseason. Anything he does or says is painted in the exact same way. I don't even dislike Jed. The media circus around him this past year is simply ludicrous. Want an example?

He says he wants them to contend for a SB every year. That's spun into he'll fire any coach that doesn't get them there every year. That's what every owner should say.

He says they need to get back to what they are good at on offense. He meant like 2012 but the media and fans paint it as he meant pre-Harbaugh. He didn't.

He cites Steve Kerr as an example of a team letting a popular coach go and getting a better result and he's destroyed in the media because everyone has already decided Tomsula will fail.

Basically, peeps CONSTANTLY make inferences to what he's saying and then go out of their way to skew them in the worst possible light.

FACT: Jed Hired McCloughan. FACT: Jed hired Baalke. FACT: Jed hired Harbaugh. FACT: Jed got the stadium built neither his uncle or anyone else could. FACT: Jed got the team back to 3 straight NFC title games. That was all Jeds reign.

Now he fires a guy because it became appearant was a problem for him, management, AND the players. No he's just a spoiled brat and a moron?

Making that leap is ludicrous to me and is pretty much a lazy way to look at the situation.

How convenient of you to leave out that he also hired Singletary... :stirthepot:

Welcome to .Net.

...so? Wasn't citing everything he ever did. I was pointing out the things he did right. Hell, Eddie D hired Joe Thomas before he hired Walsh.

Jed hired Sing, but he also fired both Nolan and Sing when it wasn't working.

 

[rideaducati]

York is the BEST owner of an opposing team I could ever want Marv...

Is York REALLY the fight you want to pick Marv? There is picking battles and then there is picking battles WISELY...You're just picking battles.

Sorry man....arguments like the one(s) you are making are precisely the problem. You decide Yorks a bum so paint EVERYTHING that happens with that brush. If he uses field turf, uses grass....no matter what he does you'll spin it to him being a bad owner.

That's pretty much whats gone on all offseason. Anything he does or says is painted in the exact same way. I don't even dislike Jed. The media circus around him this past year is simply ludicrous. Want an example?

He says he wants them to contend for a SB every year. That's spun into he'll fire any coach that doesn't get them there every year. That's what every owner should say.

He says they need to get back to what they are good at on offense. He meant like 2012 but the media and fans paint it as he meant pre-Harbaugh. He didn't.

He cites Steve Kerr as an example of a team letting a popular coach go and getting a better result and he's destroyed in the media because everyone has already decided Tomsula will fail.

Basically, peeps CONSTANTLY make inferences to what he's saying and then go out of their way to skew them in the worst possible light.

FACT: Jed Hired McCloughan. FACT: Jed hired Baalke. FACT: Jed hired Harbaugh. FACT: Jed got the stadium built neither his uncle or anyone else could. FACT: Jed got the team back to 3 straight NFC title games. That was all Jeds reign.

Now he fires a guy because it became appearant was a problem for him, management, AND the players. No he's just a spoiled brat and a moron?

Making that leap is ludicrous to me and is pretty much a lazy way to look at the situation.

How convenient of you to leave out that he also hired Singletary... :stirthepot:

Welcome to .Net.

...so? Wasn't citing everything he ever did. I was pointing out the things he did right. Hell, Eddie D hired Joe Thomas before he hired Walsh.

Jed hired Sing, but he also fired both Nolan and Sing when it wasn't working.

We disagree on the things you think he did "right"...shocking huh? Baalke and the current Levi's field are things that will work themselves out soon enough, but the field needs to be fixed RIGHT. It obviously wasn't done right the first eight times.

 

[Maulbert]

He says he wants them to contend for a SB every year. That's spun into he'll fire any coach that doesn't get them there every year. That's what every owner should say.

I posted this before when you claimed this was spin. You ignored me. Maybe pay attention this time. This is a direct quote from the press conference following Harbaugh's dismissal:

So Jed, you have a coach that just averaged over 12 wins a year in four years. What will the expectation be for a coach coming in?

JY: "To win the Super Bowl."

Right away? In year one?

JY: "We expect to win the Super Bowl every year. That is our goal."

And is that a reasonable expectation? So, what if that coach doesn't win the Super Bowl in the first couple of years?

JY: "Then we're going to have to figure out if that's the right fit."

He clearly would consider firing a coach for not winning a Super Bowl in his first couple of seasons. There is no other way to read that. Note: he didn't say contend like you claim. He said they expect to win every year. Wanting to win is fine, but maybe rein in those expectations a bit. He makes himself look like an idiot. We don't have to do anything.

 

[Marvin49]

Sorry man....arguments like the one(s) you are making are precisely the problem. You decide Yorks a bum so paint EVERYTHING that happens with that brush. If he uses field turf, uses grass....no matter what he does you'll spin it to him being a bad owner.

That's pretty much whats gone on all offseason. Anything he does or says is painted in the exact same way. I don't even dislike Jed. The media circus around him this past year is simply ludicrous. Want an example?

He says he wants them to contend for a SB every year. That's spun into he'll fire any coach that doesn't get them there every year. That's what every owner should say.

He says they need to get back to what they are good at on offense. He meant like 2012 but the media and fans paint it as he meant pre-Harbaugh. He didn't.

He cites Steve Kerr as an example of a team letting a popular coach go and getting a better result and he's destroyed in the media because everyone has already decided Tomsula will fail.

Basically, peeps CONSTANTLY make inferences to what he's saying and then go out of their way to skew them in the worst possible light.

FACT: Jed Hired McCloughan. FACT: Jed hired Baalke. FACT: Jed hired Harbaugh. FACT: Jed got the stadium built neither his uncle or anyone else could. FACT: Jed got the team back to 3 straight NFC title games. That was all Jeds reign.

Now he fires a guy because it became appearant was a problem for him, management, AND the players. No he's just a spoiled brat and a moron?

Making that leap is ludicrous to me and is pretty much a lazy way to look at the situation.

How convenient of you to leave out that he also hired Singletary... :stirthepot:

Welcome to .Net.

...so? Wasn't citing everything he ever did. I was pointing out the things he did right. Hell, Eddie D hired Joe Thomas before he hired Walsh.

Jed hired Sing, but he also fired both Nolan and Sing when it wasn't working.

We disagree on the things you think he did "right"...shocking huh? Baalke and the current Levi's field are things that will work themselves out soon enough, but the field needs to be fixed RIGHT. It obviously wasn't done right the first eight times.

Well I agree it needs to get fixed. No question.

As for "the first 8 times"...not really the issue there.

It was fixed the first time, but it put them behind the gun all year because the fields they were bringing in weren't yet mature because they weren't supposed to be installed yet. That first field getting messed up so early had a cascading effect on the entire year.

The issues now? Overuse. Hopufully it won't be a season long issue. Hell, it wouldn't be an issue NOW if the Niners didn't decide to have their first 8 practices AT Levis in order to get all the players acclimated to the stadium. They have perfectly manicured fields about 200 yards east in their practice facility.

My guess is they'll practice in the stadium, then they'll be another concert (sigh), and then they'll sod and have a full week for the grass to root before their first preseason game.

No question tho...this is becoming tiresome.

 

[ringless]

It appears all Cardinals players have hamstring issues and will not be practicing...

@Cardschatter 39m39 minutes ago
RB David Johnson is day to day with a hamstring injury. #CardsCamp

@Cardschatter 38m38 minutes ago
Arians: Gresham and Niklas will be strictly walkthrough for now. Need to get into better shape. Will be cautious. #CardsCamp

@Cardschatter 33m33 minutes ago
RB Andre Ellington will miss practice today after his hamstring tightened up. Not serious, Arians said. #CardsCamp

@Cardschatter 31m31 minutes ago
Arians said LB Shaq Riddick will miss "some time" with his hamstring problem. #CardsCamp

@Cardschatter 23h23 hours ago
Weatherspoon's hammy,

@Cardschatter 24m24 minutes ago
Patrick Peterson said he had Type 1 diabetes but it was reversible, and as of now he is "diabetes free." Still watching diet. #CardsCamp

@Cardschatter 2m2 minutes ago
Folks, I'm not a doctor. I just relayed what Peterson said. Do not know details of his diabetes. Do know he looks much better than 2014.

Patrick Peterson expects to have a much better year than last year when struggling with his blood sugar levels. It was addressed this offseason. Could explain some of the decrease in performance (But not all)

@Cardschatter 42m42 minutes ago
Arians, with #CardsCamp getting started with pads today: "FIFA is over." #AZCardinals

 

[Marvin49]

Interesting.

Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN · 23m23 minutes ago
I’ll write about Lawrence Okoye a little later. He looked very good at practice yesterday. I give him a lot of credit for sticking with it.

He did look much better in year two than he did in year 1, but it'll be interesting to see how much better he is in year 3.

 

[Marvin49]

49ers:

Did not practice: RB Reggie Bush, DL Darnell Dockett, OLB Aaron Lynch, RB Kendall Hunter, DB Jimmie Ward, WR Issac Blakeney.

I am surprised to see Dockett again out. Before todays practice they said he didn't practice because only the base package was practiced and that he would practice today in Nickel. But that didn't happen. Today was the 2nd day out of 11 days of training camp. I didn't consider him a loss this year since its been 20 months since he has even played a game for us. And I know you aren't guilty of this but a lot of 49er fans do expect an impact from him. However Im starting to doubt it. Im wondering if he will even really see the field at all. The fact that he hasn't played a game since December 29th 2013. Fell behind in recovery. Did not practice in OTA's. And has not practiced in 2/11 training camp practices has to have one a little concerned about this season with him.

BTW Ringless...you are correct, I don't expect a lot from him. I expect him to be a nickel inside pass rusher.

As for if he's on the field...

I think he's doing individual drills, but Tomsula is keeping him out of live practive because he doesn't want to see him double-teamed early and put 600 lbs on that knee. He (Tomsula) said it was standard with all the guys he's gotten back from ACL.