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[MontanaHawk05]

Remember Schneider’s comments that interior offensive lineman are over rated. That opinion by JS has us year after year after year having a sub par line

He said they're overpaid, not that they're overrated. And he said it about guards.

 

[warden]

Geno seems like he's allergic to just running the play that's called. Often.

Geno is coached to make the checks he does depending on the defense he sees on the field. Geno always comes to the line of scrimmage

 

[chris98251]

Pederson Green bay tie with John is one, I would look more at ties with Mac and Michigan and or Baltimore, especially since Jackson is getting MVP consideration, led in passing and Rushing. I don't think you can implement that offense here however, you need those same skill sets and we don't and won't have them, It is a unique situation there like us with Wilson at the time.

No college guys.

However, Schottsy is a good OC but also a yes man, very corporate, won't go outside the box enough for me or change on the fly.

Have to see who hits the market in the firings that had good success recently and were in bad situations.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

19 straight pass plays is ridiculous.

 

[soxhawk]

I read somewhere that MM was hoping to get Kafka from the NYG last year. Maybe he'll be available after their poor season...

 

[Wsumatt1982]

This tells me Mike has already gone to John and said "I need this, this and this" this offseason. Talking about an OC and players. I see John investing heavily in the O line and a QBOTF

 

[keasley45]

It does not matter who the next Offensive Coordinator is if we don’t fix the offensive line

This sure seems like a cover my a$$ move by Schneider to place blame on someone else for his failures to build an adequate offensive line

Remember Schneider’s comments that interior offensive lineman are over rated. That opinion by JS has us year after year after year having a sub par line

Schneiders comment on Guards is 100% accurate and taken out of context. Its a simple supply and demand calulation. Fewer good Guards uquals paying more for less ability.

You cant pay top dollar to every position on the line. Schneider saying Guards are over paid simply meant the strategy for acquiring one was different than for Tackles who are worth their weight in gold. John fealt you could either pay 10 mil a year for an avergae guard or do no worse paying them 3 mil.

Teams making this kind of calculus is common and necessary when assembling a roster and balancing cap money.

A great example is how the Rams let Jones walk because they dont value the ILB position as highly as others. Its not that they are blind to talent there, you just cant pay everyone.

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

Oh look at all the monday morning QBs coming out of the wood work so proud of yourselves. While your highlighting folks posts here's a little food for thought, is our offense having 2 offensive coordinators in 2 years a good thing. Enjoy watching your offense start from scratch. I think it's a dumb move, Macdonald must have his reasons, guess we'll see how it works out.

I think we would have preferred Grubb to work out, but like I said in the other post, the philosophical differences between Grubb's vision for the offense & Macdonald's vision for the team were polar opposites of each other. This wasn't just an OL issue. Macdonald himself said it was the philosophical differences the led to Grubb being fired. He knows a lot more about football than you & I. We should trust MM to make the decisions that will help this team succeed next season. Going through 2 OC's in 2 years isn't in itself, a good thing, but it's also not a good thing to keep an OC whose vision doesn't match the HC's vision.

 

[warden]

Schneiders comment on Guards is 100% accurate and taken out of context. Its a simple supply and demand calulation. Fewer good Guards uquals paying more for less ability.

You cant pay top dollar to every position on the line. Schneider saying Guards are over paid simply meant the strategy for acquiring one was different than for Tackles who are worth their weight in gold. John fealt you could either pay 10 mil a year for an avergae guard or do no worse paying them 3 mil.

Teams making this kind of calculus is common and necessary when assembling a roster and balancing cap money.

A great example is how the Rams let Jones walk because they dont value the ILB position as highly as others. Its not that they are blind to talent there, you just cant pay everyone.

Year after year after year we have a sub par offensive line.

 

[keasley45]

I'd be cool with, to interview at least; Brian Schottenheimer, Chip Kelly, Jake Peetz (currently with team and apparently gets along well with Mike), Josh McCown, Mike McDaniel (if fired by Dolphins), Tanner Engstrand, and if he doesn't retire, Doug Pederson.

Schotty would be at thebtop of my list. Not crazy about Doug for some of the fairly large leadershio blindspots he seems to have..
Engstrand is a hot name but has zero wxperience coordinating. McDaniel is interestung but wiukd be gone right away if he was any good and is too similar to Mac in that he's a young talented coach. Chip Kelly - we have done the college thing already.

McCown could be interesting but like Engstrand, hasnt done it before. Same with Peetz. But i think Peetz has the inside track out of the gate.

 

[Seahawker]

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Schotty would be at thebtop of my list. Not crazy about Doug for some of the fairly large leadershio blindspots he seems to have..
Engstrand is a hot name but has zero wxperience coordinating. McDaniel is interestung but wiukd be gone right away if he was any good and is too similar to Mac in that he's a young talented coach. Chip Kelly - we have done the college thing already.

McCown could be interesting but like Engstrand, hasnt done it before. Same with Peetz. But i think Peetz has the inside track out of the gate.

McCown, from what I've heard, was treated as an additional coach when he was a back up QB. Approachable, smart, and solid leadership skills. In Minnesota, he ain't calling plays but supposedly he is an icon in that locker room and that could be good to bring in for a team to bring the offensive together.

Engstrand is the hot name, no coordinating experience, but from a stellar offensive team and has plenty of NFL experience. I'd take a flier on him over a lot of the other candidates.

Peetz is from the McVay tree and has total 15 years NFL experience in coaching, apparently a couple years ago his name was rising up as a possible future OC candidate and since he's already on the team is the most likely option.

The others were just names that could be brought in but I agree that McDaniel if he were to succeed would be gone the very next year, Pederson is much older and the tread could be gone (but less likely to get poached), Schotty could be stable though likely unstrellar and Kelly, eh, no harm talking to him.

I agree thought that the list is unknowns or have no game calling experience or retreads, but I think these are viable/reasonable options to get as I doubt Seattle is gonna poach a Top 3 OC to lateral over from whatever team they're currently winning with.

 

[hawker84]

I think we would have preferred Grubb to work out, but like I said in the other post, the philosophical differences between Grubb's vision for the offense & Macdonald's vision for the team were polar opposites of each other. This wasn't just an OL issue. Macdonald himself said it was the philosophical differences the led to Grubb being fired. He knows a lot more about football than you & I. We should trust MM to make the decisions that will help this team succeed next season. Going through 2 OC's in 2 years isn't in itself, a good thing, but it's also not a good thing to keep an OC whose vision doesn't match the HC's vision.

Then why did he hire him to begin with? You'd think this type of stuff was discussed before he was hired.

Regardless, I agree that Macdonald knows more about what this offense needs than you or I. Hope it works out sooner than later.

 

[GetNjigbaWithIt]

Then why did he hire him to begin with? You'd think this type of stuff was discussed before he was hired.

Regardless, I agree that Macdonald knows more about what this offense needs than you or I. Hope it works out sooner than later.

Well, if the reports were true, MM wanted Arthur Smith, but Smith wasn't willing to wait. And since MM was hired late, all the other OC's they possibly wanted, were either blocked from getting hired (like Kafka) or they were already hired by other teams. And MM had to be convinced that Grubb could call a balanced offense. Again, if these reports are true, then it appears that the Grubb hire was a swing for the fences, and they just ended up missing.

 

[keasley45]

Year after year after year we have a sub par offensive line.

Year after year - 4 years now we have fielded OCs and O line coaches who are no longer employed or in the league.

Coaching matters. I think we all need to pump the brakes on the notion our current group is horrible. Theyve been horribly coached as has been the offense overall.

Waldron - out of the league
Grubb - out of the league (doubt he sticks around)
Huff - assumed out if the league
Dickerson - fired yesterday

And we dont think the above has contributed significantly to the bad line play? I dont know any other sport or team where coaches as critical as an OC and O line coach get a free pass when assigning blame to less than stellar performance from the groups they lead than they do in Seattle.

Name me another offense, o line, qb, who had been great playing under outright and confirmed poor coaching and coordinating? Who's out there that is winning MVPs and marching through the playoffs?

 

[cymatica]

19 straight pass plays is ridiculous.

It would be ridiculous with Tom Brady.

 

[James in PA]

I just hope they already have someone lined up and that person has experience and a solid track record as an OC. No more first timers!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

This team needs an actual identity. I doubt I'm the only one who has been wondering for YEARS what the actual identity of this team is.

 

[nanomoz]

There's going to be some experienced options after all the firings.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I’d try Tanner Engstrand. Former OC for the Chargers. Current Lions passing game coordinator. I think he has the seasoning to be more successful now. Just my wild idea.