Matt Flynn's future

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Why are you a 'Russell Wilson apologist' for backing the teams starting quarterback, who in his first four career games has won games against Rodgers, Brady, Newton and Romo?

I thought that was just called being a Seahawks fan?

And the reason you don't 'take a look' at Flynn is because HE LOST THE JOB. What don't YOU get about that? He lost. Fair and square. This is the NFL, you don't make a decision at quarterback and then after winning four tough games decide, "Oh you know what? Let's look at the other guy." It would be chaos. Flynn would have to come in and be considerably better to justify such a decision. If he didn't, Pete Carroll would be rightly lambasted for the decision. The team would probably start to second guess the direction the coaches were going. We'd have five starting quarterbacks in three years under PC.

Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[Zebulon Dak]

Why are you a 'Russell Wilson apologist' for backing the teams starting quarterback, who in his first four career games has won games against Rodgers, Brady, Newton and Romo?

I thought that was just called being a Seahawks fan?

And the reason you don't 'take a look' at Flynn is because HE LOST THE JOB. What don't YOU get about that? He lost. Fair and square. This is the NFL, you don't make a decision at quarterback and then after winning four tough games decide, "Oh you know what? Let's look at the other guy." It would be chaos. Flynn would have to come in and be considerably better to justify such a decision. If he didn't, Pete Carroll would be rightly lambasted for the decision. The team would probably start to second guess the direction the coaches were going. We'd have five starting quarterbacks in three years under PC.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Why are you a 'Russell Wilson apologist' for backing the teams starting quarterback, who in his first four career games has won games against Rodgers, Brady, Newton and Romo?

I thought that was just called being a Seahawks fan?

And the reason you don't 'take a look' at Flynn is because HE LOST THE JOB. What don't YOU get about that? He lost. Fair and square. This is the NFL, you don't make a decision at quarterback and then after winning four tough games decide, "Oh you know what? Let's look at the other guy." It would be chaos. Flynn would have to come in and be considerably better to justify such a decision. If he didn't, Pete Carroll would be rightly lambasted for the decision. The team would probably start to second guess the direction the coaches were going. We'd have five starting quarterbacks in three years under PC.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Why are you a 'Russell Wilson apologist' for backing the teams starting quarterback, who in his first four career games has won games against Rodgers, Brady, Newton and Romo?

I thought that was just called being a Seahawks fan?

And the reason you don't 'take a look' at Flynn is because HE LOST THE JOB. What don't YOU get about that? He lost. Fair and square. This is the NFL, you don't make a decision at quarterback and then after winning four tough games decide, "Oh you know what? Let's look at the other guy." It would be chaos. Flynn would have to come in and be considerably better to justify such a decision. If he didn't, Pete Carroll would be rightly lambasted for the decision. The team would probably start to second guess the direction the coaches were going. We'd have five starting quarterbacks in three years under PC.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Why are you a 'Russell Wilson apologist' for backing the teams starting quarterback, who in his first four career games has won games against Rodgers, Brady, Newton and Romo?

I thought that was just called being a Seahawks fan?

And the reason you don't 'take a look' at Flynn is because HE LOST THE JOB. What don't YOU get about that? He lost. Fair and square. This is the NFL, you don't make a decision at quarterback and then after winning four tough games decide, "Oh you know what? Let's look at the other guy." It would be chaos. Flynn would have to come in and be considerably better to justify such a decision. If he didn't, Pete Carroll would be rightly lambasted for the decision. The team would probably start to second guess the direction the coaches were going. We'd have five starting quarterbacks in three years under PC.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Why are you a 'Russell Wilson apologist' for backing the teams starting quarterback, who in his first four career games has won games against Rodgers, Brady, Newton and Romo?

I thought that was just called being a Seahawks fan?

And the reason you don't 'take a look' at Flynn is because HE LOST THE JOB. What don't YOU get about that? He lost. Fair and square. This is the NFL, you don't make a decision at quarterback and then after winning four tough games decide, "Oh you know what? Let's look at the other guy." It would be chaos. Flynn would have to come in and be considerably better to justify such a decision. If he didn't, Pete Carroll would be rightly lambasted for the decision. The team would probably start to second guess the direction the coaches were going. We'd have five starting quarterbacks in three years under PC.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Why are you a 'Russell Wilson apologist' for backing the teams starting quarterback, who in his first four career games has won games against Rodgers, Brady, Newton and Romo?

I thought that was just called being a Seahawks fan?

And the reason you don't 'take a look' at Flynn is because HE LOST THE JOB. What don't YOU get about that? He lost. Fair and square. This is the NFL, you don't make a decision at quarterback and then after winning four tough games decide, "Oh you know what? Let's look at the other guy." It would be chaos. Flynn would have to come in and be considerably better to justify such a decision. If he didn't, Pete Carroll would be rightly lambasted for the decision. The team would probably start to second guess the direction the coaches were going. We'd have five starting quarterbacks in three years under PC.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Why are you a 'Russell Wilson apologist' for backing the teams starting quarterback, who in his first four career games has won games against Rodgers, Brady, Newton and Romo?

I thought that was just called being a Seahawks fan?

And the reason you don't 'take a look' at Flynn is because HE LOST THE JOB. What don't YOU get about that? He lost. Fair and square. This is the NFL, you don't make a decision at quarterback and then after winning four tough games decide, "Oh you know what? Let's look at the other guy." It would be chaos. Flynn would have to come in and be considerably better to justify such a decision. If he didn't, Pete Carroll would be rightly lambasted for the decision. The team would probably start to second guess the direction the coaches were going. We'd have five starting quarterbacks in three years under PC.

Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[Bakergirl]

To all the RW apologist. If the roles were reversed and Matt was our starter, would you not be clamoring for RW to start after these types of performances? I know I would. I don't care what QB starts. I just think this situation was so mismanaged, it is almost laughable. To split reps in training camp 3 ways, and preach competition, but ultimately give the job to a rookie, when it would have made sense to start Flynn given the situation. If Flynn struggled, the obvious choice would be to give the rookie a chance. Now we are at the mercy of Pete's ego that this is the right choice, regardless of the level of production. I firmly believe that our receiving troubles are directly linked to RW. There is no flow to the offense, everything looks labored and uneasy. There have been moments, but those are far out weighed by the bad.

With this defense and this running game, we should not be struggling on offense the way we are. It is baffling to me. Tavaris Jackson had a record of 2-5 128-227 1556 yards 6tds and 9 picks after 7 games last year RW is 4 and 3 throwing 104-175 1,230 with 8tds and 7 picks. Last year at this time Marshawn had 262 yards rushing compared to 652 this year and we were relying on Tavaris to win, and our defense to step up but they were giving up way too many points points 197 compared to the 106 that they are giving up this year. I know many Seahawk fans were calling for a change with Tavaris, but this year the Golden child is getting a pass by the majority. What has changed is the running game. When Tavaris had a competent running game he won as shown down the stretch last year. RW is more exciting than Tavaris but his production on the field isn't better but he is getting more credit than he deserves, he just has great running game and a super defense to fall back on. I know there is potential, but at this stage we have Tavaris like production without all the disdain. What would it hurt to see if Flynn could be an up grade to the production we are seeing so far. It will be a sad thing if we never find out.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to contradict yourself like that. To answer your question...Had Flynn been named the starter, I would be firmly behind him as the starter. Whoever is chosen to throw the ball on football days deserves the support of the fans imo. Without it his job becomes one hell of a lot more difficult.

I also believe there is a major difference between Russell Wilson and Tarvaris Jackon. Jackson was a seasoned vet with multiple years in as a starter, he hit his ceiling, as Pete found out last year. Wilson is a rookie with no where to go but up and has been improving every week. If people put faith in the rookie with the solid work ethic and tons of upside who can blame them?

 

[RichNhansom]

Bakergirl that is easy to say when the guy you have been championing since the draft is starting but I have some serious doubt you would be singing the same tune had Flynn started and was ranked amongst the worst QB's in the league. I know you would love everyone to shut up and get behind your guy but I have seen nothing from you that indicates you would be solidly behind Flynn if he had similar numbers and Wilson was waiting in the wings.

That said, I haven't been calling for Flynn for several weeks but I fully understand the frustration of those that are and even though I like the improvement I have seen from Wilson this year, I still feel we would be a better team at this point had Flynn been named starter. I also believe Wilson would have benefitted from a lower development that allowed for him to learn the speed of the game, how to read NFL defenses, Bevell's playbook and more by sitting for a year. It probably would have made Flynn a valuable trade asset also.

 

[The Radish]

Bakergirl that is easy to say when the guy you have been championing since the draft is starting but I have some serious doubt you would be singing the same tune had Flynn started and was ranked amongst the worst QB's in the league. I know you would love everyone to shut up and get behind your guy but I have seen nothing from you that indicates you would be solidly behind Flynn if he had similar numbers and Wilson was waiting in the wings.

That said, I haven't been calling for Flynn for several weeks but I fully understand the frustration of those that are and even though I like the improvement I have seen from Wilson this year, I still feel we would be a better team at this point had Flynn been named starter. I also believe Wilson would have benefitted from a lower development that allowed for him to learn the speed of the game, how to read NFL defenses, Bevell's playbook and more by sitting for a year. It probably would have made Flynn a valuable trade asset also.

Well what a shock! You'd never mentioned that before. Does this mean this is the end of the "we woud be better with Flynn even tho I don't know shit" posts?

:roll:

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think he asks for and gets traded to another team. Tough to ask a guy of his talent to stay here as a back-up.

He's not that talented. A 5'10" rookie QB drafted in the third round beat him out for the job. That's not a knock on Wilson either, but that's reality. If he was as talented as some people think he is, he would have won the job, as that's what Carroll brought him in to do. He simply didn't do it which is very telling. He's put up some monster numbers in some meaningless games at the end of the season in GB, but I'm still not impressed.

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He is owed nothing. He has earned nothing. I hate to be that callous, but if he was the man for the job, he would have won it. I think Wilson played well in the preseason, but on most teams, he would not be the #1 QB. Flynn proved, to me at least, that he is simply not talented enough to earn a starting spot and lead an NFL team. Maybe he will in the future, but I think it's highly unlikely.

Make no mistake, Pete Carroll wanted him as his starting QB. I envision the conversation going something like this - "Matt, we're bringing you in here to compete and WIN the starting job. We believe you can beat out Jackson... Now go out and win the job." And, he didn't. A rookie QB was drafted, Jackson was traded, and Flynn couldn't separate himself.

He's a career back up at this point. I wouldn't be upset if he was released at the end of the season.

:13: very well said.

 

[hawkfan1975]

As a player I dislike him. I feel he brings nothing to the table, nothing is unique about his skill set. He is an average QB perfectly meant to be a backup. I feel he has had a poor attitude since week 3 of the preseason, he doesn't seem involved at all. When we signed him I was a little pissed. I was hoping he would go somewhere else but after I saw the money they offered I was ok with the contract. He's not a guy you build a franchise around, not someone who will EVER take a team to a Super Bowl victory and would be someone who would keep the team around 7-9 or 8-8.....which is just frustrating.

I have followed Russell Wilson for years now and was SOOOOO excited when they drafted him. I was even hoping they would reach to the 2nd to pick Wilson. Wilson has it all and Im glad the coaching staff has the balls to go against conventional wisdom and put him in there. Its all ready paying off and will pay off huge as we make a playoff run...hopefully deep into the playoffs.

Is this from a Seahawks fan? There's SO much garbage in this post it's beyond work in outlining.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Bakergirl that is easy to say when the guy you have been championing since the draft is starting but I have some serious doubt you would be singing the same tune had Flynn started and was ranked amongst the worst QB's in the league. I know you would love everyone to shut up and get behind your guy but I have seen nothing from you that indicates you would be solidly behind Flynn if he had similar numbers and Wilson was waiting in the wings.

That said, I haven't been calling for Flynn for several weeks but I fully understand the frustration of those that are and even though I like the improvement I have seen from Wilson this year, I still feel we would be a better team at this point had Flynn been named starter. I also believe Wilson would have benefitted from a lower development that allowed for him to learn the speed of the game, how to read NFL defenses, Bevell's playbook and more by sitting for a year. It probably would have made Flynn a valuable trade asset also.

Well what a shock! You'd never mentioned that before. Does this mean this is the end of the "we woud be better with Flynn even tho I don't know shit" posts?

:roll:

One can only hope :th2thumbs:

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Can somebody explain how a player learns the speed of the game and how to read an NFL defense sat on the bench?

 

[JonRud]

I may be totally off base...but I just have a strange gut feeling that Pete is going to come out today and announce Flynn is starting in Detroit. Please don't yell or flame me...this is nothing personal...just a strange suspicion that I have.

 

[Throwdown]

I may be totally off base...but I just have a strange gut feeling that Pete is going to come out today and announce Flynn is starting in Detroit. Please don't yell or flame me...this is nothing personal...just a strange suspicion that I have.

He'd really have no basis to do so, unless Wilson suffered a high ankle sprain walking through the front door of the VMAC.

 

[ImTheScientist]

As a player I dislike him. I feel he brings nothing to the table, nothing is unique about his skill set. He is an average QB perfectly meant to be a backup. I feel he has had a poor attitude since week 3 of the preseason, he doesn't seem involved at all. When we signed him I was a little pissed. I was hoping he would go somewhere else but after I saw the money they offered I was ok with the contract. He's not a guy you build a franchise around, not someone who will EVER take a team to a Super Bowl victory and would be someone who would keep the team around 7-9 or 8-8.....which is just frustrating.

I have followed Russell Wilson for years now and was SOOOOO excited when they drafted him. I was even hoping they would reach to the 2nd to pick Wilson. Wilson has it all and Im glad the coaching staff has the balls to go against conventional wisdom and put him in there. Its all ready paying off and will pay off huge as we make a playoff run...hopefully deep into the playoffs.

Is this from a Seahawks fan? There's SO much garbage in this post it's beyond work in outlining.

I don't like what Flynn brings to the table and now Im not a fan? hawksfan1975, I apologize to you if you found it offensive in any way. Feel free to PM me and we can discuss it. I don't love every Seahawks player all the time, every fan is a little different....it doesn't mean one is any more or any less of a fan. Again, sorry if I offended you.

I simply gave reasons why I didn't like the signing. Luckily the contract was done in a way that it gives the Hawks a lot of leverage. Depending on the free agent market next season I can see them asking him to redo the contract or they will probably trade or cut him. The thing they won't do is keep him at his current salary.

 

[SeaChase]

I may be totally off base...but I just have a strange gut feeling that Pete is going to come out today and announce Flynn is starting in Detroit. Please don't yell or flame me...this is nothing personal...just a strange suspicion that I have.

That would be great, definitely Flynsanity

 

[jlwaters1]

The saddest thing about it is we may never find out until it's too late. Russell was terrible yesterday, i know there were some bad drops, but 9-23, almost everything to the right, at least two of those completions were dump-offs, and his good throws were totally out numbered by his bad. I was at the game and he was consistently locked into the right side of the field, missing some very open receivers on the other. I firmly believe we would have a better record right now with Flynn. We keep cutting Russell so much slack because he is a rookie, but he is the reason for these loses. The receiver production is down because of him and his pocket awareness. The receivers are always having to work back, because he is so skittish in the pocket. He does at time have those "wow" throwing moments, but he has made everybodies job harder from the oline to the receivers. We may have kept the offense intact from last year, but everybody had to change the way they play to cater to RW's style.

This.

um add 5 completions to his stats and tell me if he sucked. 9-23 with at least 5 drops, All a sudden he becomes 14-23 witha 61% completion % and most of the drops for for big yardage- Turbin and Moore. Your talking about 50 more yards at least added to his stats. Then all of a sudden his day doesn't look to bad.

IMO his worst decision of the day was throwing into double coverage in endzone for Edwards-- who incidentally had the TD until at the last moment the defender knocked it out of his hands. Good play by SF. But he sad part is a TE was wide open in the flat and could have had the first down easily and possible much more.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Well....to be fair, Aaron Rodgers kinda did that. People learn in different ways. Wilson is the type that will continue to improve through experience. We have a franchise QB on our hands and I for one am prepared to take a few lumps through the first couple of seasons to have the position locked down for the next 10 or so.

Flynn couldn't beat out a 3rd rd rookie. End of.

Did he learn those things specifically though? I'm not saying Rodgers didn't learn a few things watching one of the all-time great QB's... if not the greatest QB. But speed of the game and how to read a defense - to me - seems like one of those things you can only do on the field.

 

[zayden185]

Rick Mirer made a ton of money carrying a clipboard, can still walk as well id imagine from s=not taking hits. we need a solid backup, and he can prove to come in and win a game if needed!

he can ask for a trade, but who wants to pay him when rookies have less salary now...more upside.

is he getting THAT MUCH MONEY? That we cant keep him, i dont see anyone on the depth chart!!

 

[mikeak]

Can somebody explain how a player learns the speed of the game and how to read an NFL defense sat on the bench?

Well....to be fair, Aaron Rodgers kinda did that. People learn in different ways. Wilson is the type that will continue to improve through experience. We have a franchise QB on our hands and I for one am prepared to take a few lumps through the first couple of seasons to have the position locked down for the next 10 or so.

Flynn couldn't beat out a 3rd rd rookie. End of.

GB went 6-10 Aaron's first season failing to win multiple games at the end.

Not disagreeing with your other information but I would say that Aaron learned the speed of the game and proper reads during his 2008 rookie year. If he had all those intangibles then they would have had a much better record

 

[Sgt. Largent]

As much as Flynn would probably like to get traded to somewhere he has a shot at starting, I don't think it's gonna happen. Carroll likes him as insurance.

But........if Wilson starts all 16 games this year, I could see Schneider and Carroll asking Flynn to take a pay cut going into next year. Even Carroll knows paying your backup starter money is crazy.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

Wait, we don't want a good backup quarterback? One who can come in to a game in a pinch and win it for us? We suddenly are in the enviable position of having a quality backup, and we want to piss that all away? Flynn ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Wait, we don't want a good backup quarterback? One who can come in to a game in a pinch and win it for us? We suddenly are in the enviable position of having a quality backup, and we want to piss that all away? Flynn ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

Unless of course someone like Matt Barkley is magically drops into our laps in the 2013 draft. It's extremely unlikley he or Geno Smith fall on draft day, but that could have been said about Rodgers, too.