Matt Flynn's future

[HawkWow]

I don't think Barkley will fall very far. He and the KSU kid probably go 1 and 2 in terms of QBs. Both will be gone in the top 10, if not top 5, IMO. I think the jury may still be out on the WVU kid...at least as far as the top half of the draft jury goes. RG3 is defintely helping his chances, Newton hurting them. I never expect much from these types of QBs..definitely not long term. I think Geno could be next years RG3 and RG3 will then be this year's Cam.

Guys like Major Harris and Jamelle Holieway wish to gawd they were playing in this era.

We have a very servicable back up in Flynn (if not more). If you/we are sold on RW, QB is the last thing we need at this time. Money and picks would be wiser spent, IMO, on WRs, Oline, perhaps an LB.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Flynn and Wilson both require heavy scheming in order to succeed on this offense. Neither has "arrived", and neither is likely to arrive by sitting on the bench like Rodgers did. Seattle needed to pick one QB and stick with him.

 

[HawkWow]

This is why I am no longer asking for Flynn to start (this year). We've got too many reps invested in RW and he has shown flashes of brilliance when not held back (much like Sark has done with Price and Locker as well). I hate to throw caution to the wind, and historically, I do not prefer a running QB, but with an able back up, Pete needs to design a few more run plays for our rook. That will create a better level of comfort for him while keeping the D honest. IMO.

 

[edogg23]

As much as Flynn would probably like to get traded to somewhere he has a shot at starting, I don't think it's gonna happen. Carroll likes him as insurance.

But........if Wilson starts all 16 games this year, I could see Schneider and Carroll asking Flynn to take a pay cut going into next year. Even Carroll knows paying your backup starter money is crazy.

His money is guaranteed next year. They have 0 leverage to try and cut his pay.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

His money is guaranteed next year. They have 0 leverage to try and cut his pay.

Actually it is my understanding that $8m of the guaranteed money is tied up in a $6m signing bonus and $2m base salary for 2012. Meaning $2m is guaranteed in 2013. If Flynn's base salary is $5.25m next season and $6.25m in 2014 and only $2m of the remainder of his contract is guaranteed, then theoretically it's not out of the question that he could be asked to take a pay cut. However, he'd almost certainly reject it and force the Seahawks to cut him, enabling him to search out starting gigs elsewhere.

 

[ImTheScientist]

As much as Flynn would probably like to get traded to somewhere he has a shot at starting, I don't think it's gonna happen. Carroll likes him as insurance.

But........if Wilson starts all 16 games this year, I could see Schneider and Carroll asking Flynn to take a pay cut going into next year. Even Carroll knows paying your backup starter money is crazy.

His money is guaranteed next year. They have 0 leverage to try and cut his pay.

His money is not guaranteed next year.

In 2013 and 2014, Flynn will make another $2 million in guarantees and over $12 million in base salary.

The base is not guaranteed. It is if he is on the team week 1 2013. They will ask him to take a pay cut, they will then cut him when he refuses.

 

[HawkWow]

There's just 2 chances of us cutting (a healthy) Flynn, IMO: Slim and none.

I don't believe there are glaring health concerns with Flynn's arm. I'll leave it at that for now. What I do believe is there is no more than 15 solid QBs in the league today. That leaves the rest of the field with a ? mark at the position. Plus, QBs get hurt (This new breed of QBs will get hurt even more frequently). I think we keep Flynn for ourselves at least until a suiter with a too-good to pass up offer comes along. What did the Raiders dole out for Palmer? I doubt Palmer is any better than Flynn. I'd be pretty surprized, despite the apparent lack of interest shown in Flynn, if we couldn't get a 1st or high 2nd for him. Very surprized.

 

[pinksheets]

There's just 2 chances of us cutting (a healthy) Flynn, IMO: Slim and none.

I don't believe there are glaring health concerns with Flynn's arm. I'll leave it at that for now. What I do believe is there is no more than 15 solid QBs in the league today. That leaves the rest of the field with a ? mark at the position. Plus, QBs get hurt (This new breed of QBs will get hurt even more frequently). I think we keep Flynn for ourselves at least until a suiter with a too-good to pass up offer comes along. What did the Raiders dole out for Palmer? I doubt Palmer is any better than Flynn. I'd be pretty surprized, despite the apparent lack of interest shown in Flynn, if we couldn't get a 1st or high 2nd for him. Very surprized.

I would be stunned if they got a high pick for Flynn. Which team that had no interest in signing him off the street would give up that kind of pick for a guy who hasn't even been on the field to make them reconsider that lack of interest?

 

[ImTheScientist]

There's just 2 chances of us cutting (a healthy) Flynn, IMO: Slim and none.

I don't believe there are glaring health concerns with Flynn's arm. I'll leave it at that for now. What I do believe is there is no more than 15 solid QBs in the league today. That leaves the rest of the field with a ? mark at the position. Plus, QBs get hurt (This new breed of QBs will get hurt even more frequently). I think we keep Flynn for ourselves at least until a suiter with a too-good to pass up offer comes along. What did the Raiders dole out for Palmer? I doubt Palmer is any better than Flynn. I'd be pretty surprized, despite the apparent lack of interest shown in Flynn, if we couldn't get a 1st or high 2nd for him. Very surprized.

I agree that its better to have him a backup then not. But I disagree that they will keep him at his current contract next year. I also don't think you would get more than a 7th round pick for him ... at that. He's not proven at all. There are plenty of backups with more experience.

When you look at next years draft and the teams that need QBs Im not sure there really is a great home for him. Demand this offseason was very limited... us & miami. We both have our QBOTF now. I can see him going to a KC if they draft a Barkley or Smith and maybe starting a few games before those guys come in....but even at that the NEW NFL and these ROOKIE QBs are ready to play day 1.

I really think he ends up back in Green Bay as a backup after we cut him next year. Makes the most sense.

 

[HawkWow]

I have no idea why so few teams looked harder at Flynn. I'm not smarter than any of them but I do feel he would be as good or better than the current starters for the Jets, Eagles (inc. Foles), Browns, Jags, Chiefs and possibly Oakland, Arizona and even SF. Then there are several teams like the Lions and Rams that have experienced time without their starter. I predict Bradford won't last til season's end and I'll give odds Vick won't either.

The above is just my opinion, it is possible I am over-rating Flynn, but we brought him in to start...now he's not even worthy of back up status?

 

[edogg23]

It's hard to find good sources but from what I could find he is set to make 5.25 mil in 2013 with 2 mil garunteed.. So I don't see them cutting him unless he is injured. Heck I still think he will end up the starter if he gets a shot.

 

[ImTheScientist]

It's hard to find good sources but from what I could find he is set to make 5.25 mil in 2013 with 2 mil garunteed.. So I don't see them cutting him unless he is injured. Heck I still think he will end up the starter if he gets a shot.

Thats the issue. They won't pay 7.25mil for a backup QB. They will ask him to take a pay cut, he will refuse, they will cut him and he still gets his 2mil....he does not get the 5.25 mil.

That money is going to need to be allocated other places.

 

[mikeak]

Every year people spend high draft picks on unproven qb's so I don't agree with the notion that you would only spend a 7th rounder on Flynn because he isn't proven.

It will be the combination of money and what round pick but I would say a 4th / 5th rounder is fair at least.

 

[edogg23]

It's hard to find good sources but from what I could find he is set to make 5.25 mil in 2013 with 2 mil guaranteed.. So I don't see them cutting him unless he is injured. Heck I still think he will end up the starter if he gets a shot.

Thats the issue. They won't pay 7.25mil for a backup QB. They will ask him to take a pay cut, he will refuse, they will cut him and he still gets his 2mil....he does not get the 5.25 mil.

That money is going to need to be allocated other places.

Your not reading it right... Its 5.25 total in 2013 with 2 million of it guaranteed. So they would be only saving 3.25 million.

 

[Happypuppy]

All teams slot salary to a position. Flynn has a cap friendly number and RW is paid as a 3rd rounder. Who the Hawks start makes little difference. RW is a little guy and the chances of him getting injured logically would seem greater.

I would hate to see a season lost trying to pinch pennies. Wait until someone makes a great offer. A unhappy WR, TE or RT. draft picks who knows? The team is in a good position right now

 

[Bakergirl]

Bakergirl that is easy to say when the guy you have been championing since the draft is starting but I have some serious doubt you would be singing the same tune had Flynn started and was ranked amongst the worst QB's in the league. I know you would love everyone to shut up and get behind your guy but I have seen nothing from you that indicates you would be solidly behind Flynn if he had similar numbers and Wilson was waiting in the wings.

That said, I haven't been calling for Flynn for several weeks but I fully understand the frustration of those that are and even though I like the improvement I have seen from Wilson this year, I still feel we would be a better team at this point had Flynn been named starter. I also believe Wilson would have benefitted from a lower development that allowed for him to learn the speed of the game, how to read NFL defenses, Bevell's playbook and more by sitting for a year. It probably would have made Flynn a valuable trade asset also.

Really? You might want to rethink that. Who was I behind last year when everyone was calling for his head when he struggled early? That's right Jackson. Who did I stay behind while everyone was calling for Whitehurst to start? That's right...Jackson. The only way to know what we have in any QB is to give them a fair shot. Turn them loose for a season and see where it takes us. My record speaks for itself. If Flynn had been named the starter I would be calling for him to get a fair shot much like Jackson deserved a fair shot, like Wilson deserves a fair shot and the support of the fans. Until puppet master Pete cuts the strings and puts in Flynn, Wilson is our guy and he deserves some support from the 12th man.

 

[mikeak]

In regards to the money -- $7.5 million for Flynn isn't bad. Especially when you consider that RW is making peanuts. The only way I see Seahawks trading Flynn is after the draft if they pick up another player. Even if RW continues to gradually improve he is not going to be a lock on the team.

Under $10 million for the starting qb position by the Seahawks with two players you feel can go out and start - why change that concept? Spend the money on other players instead.

Saving from getting rid of Flynn is not worth the risk

 

[mikeak]

It's hard to find good sources but from what I could find he is set to make 5.25 mil in 2013 with 2 mil guaranteed.. So I don't see them cutting him unless he is injured. Heck I still think he will end up the starter if he gets a shot.

Thats the issue. They won't pay 7.25mil for a backup QB. They will ask him to take a pay cut, he will refuse, they will cut him and he still gets his 2mil....he does not get the 5.25 mil.

That money is going to need to be allocated other places.

Your not reading it right... Its 5.25 total in 2013 with 2 million of it guaranteed. So they would be only saving 3.25 million.

That is what I thought based on how it was stated here but online is showing it in a few different places as $7.25 total - $2 guaranteed if on the roster by a certain date and the rest in salary

 

[scutterhawk]

Can somebody explain how a player learns the speed of the game and how to read an NFL defense sat on the bench?

Pretty simple really, I'd venture a guess that nearly every single successful Quarterback down through the past 30 years and longer ,have benefited from that exact method.
It's only been the past few Seasons that rookies have come out of College, and straight into the starting role, and the jury is still out.
There are exceptions of course, but too many players that were thrust into that situation before learning the extreme changes to the College level of play, and failed.
My hopes are that RW picks up the NFL game speed, while developing on the fly, because there isn't much room for mistakes.
The plays (good and bad) are reviewed on the sidelines by BOTH the starter and the backup, so's to understand how the play was executed, or why the play came apart from the way the play was drawn up.
The reason you do that?, because your backup needs to be prepared to take over, should the starter get hurt.
It's obvious to me that Flynn was good enough to beat out Jackson, just didn't display the pizazz that RW had.
I was for starting Flynn because he had already studied from the sidelines under Rodgers, but PC made Wtlson the starter, I didn't hesitate to get behind him.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Pretty simple really, I'd venture a guess that nearly every single successful Quarterback down through the past 30 years and longer ,have benefited from that exact method.

You mean like Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan...

Just three off the top of my head who started very early in their careers. Eli Manning started within a few weeks of his rookie season. Ditto Drew Brees. And that's without really looking into it. Plus there's also the fact that college football is so different these days and much more user-friendly for QB's, making the transition less difficult. One of the key reasons why so many teams are prepared to start rookie quarterbacks.