Mariners Offseason Thread 2014-2015

[HawkFan72]

Ive no issues bringing up a prospect. However, this team is supposed to be going for it this year. I'd prefer a known asset. We waited five years for Ackely, Smoak, MIller, Seager, Zunino, Franklin, Walker, Paxton, Montero to fill in with the understanding that high value veterans would mix with them. Well, here we are. I feel we need two more high value players and we are off. Not sure DJ Peterson is that player and I honestly would be very frustrated if the FO came out and said they were going to use young prospects (of which Seattle has a good number) to take us over the top...again.

I agree. Just sitting on our hands isn't going to work anymore. We've built up a good farm system over the last few years, only to see most of the assets waste away with injury or wasted potential. It's time for us to use some chips to sit at the big boy table.

No. Let's not mortgage our future now. These kids are the future of the M's. without the farm system the Mariners wouldn't be where they are right now. You build a dynasty through the farm system, not through Free Agency.

I'm not talking about trading them ALL.

Cano only has a couple years left of being a star player. Felix isn't getting any younger.

The team in in a win-now window and they are a couple players short of winning now. Trading a few minor leaguers from a system that is full of prospects for some guys who can contribute this year to try and get the M's over the top is not foolish. Sitting on our hands and letting Cano and Felix get older is. The money is spent on both of those guys already, so now the M's have to do what it takes to build around them. Building for the future isn't really on the table as much as it was before Cano was signed.

 

[dumbrabbit]

Oh please.

Remember Albert Pujols? People thought he was done after his first year. But now he's in his what, fourth year? And he's producing very well for the Angels.

I still say keep the entire farm system, let the veteran leadership teach the kids. Why aren't we saying the same criticism as Felix? Both signed 7+ years. Why are we all worried about age? Higher age doesn't mean lower production.

Just my $0.02

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Oh please.

Remember Albert Pujols? People thought he was done after his first year. But now he's in his what, fourth year? And he's producing very well for the Angels.

I still say keep the entire farm system, let the veteran leadership teach the kids. Why aren't we saying the same criticism as Felix? Both signed 7+ yes. Why are we all worried about age? Higher age doesn't mean lower production.

Just my $0.02

It's a football site, Age in baseball is subjective whereas it's objective in football. Baby steps...

 

[HawkFan72]

Oh please.

Remember Albert Pujols? People thought he was done after his first year. But now he's in his what, fourth year? And he's producing very well for the Angels.

I still say keep the entire farm system, let the veteran leadership teach the kids. Why aren't we saying the same criticism as Felix? Both signed 7+ years. Why are we all worried about age? Higher age doesn't mean lower production.

Just my $0.02

So the Mariners don't need any upgrades? They'll be fine with what they've got?

 

[Tical21]

Stupidity is failing to learn from your own mistakes. Do NOT, for ANY reason, trade our top prospects again. Sign free agents or take on salary style trades without giving up prospects. There is one way to win consistently in MLB, and it isn't by adding free agents and trading your prospects. If you cash in all your chips and try to win it all this year and get the wrong players, you're done. DONE. There is no coming back from that. We still have like three good position players on our entire roster. Until that changes, you need to keep building. Then, once you've got a good and young core, you add those last couple of pieces. Until then, you're doing nothing but wasting your money and prolonging your futility.

 

[m0ng0]

Stupidity is failing to learn from your own mistakes. Do NOT, for ANY reason, trade our top prospects again. Sign free agents or take on salary style trades without giving up prospects. There is one way to win consistently in MLB, and it isn't by adding free agents and trading your prospects. If you cash in all your chips and try to win it all this year and get the wrong players, you're done. DONE. There is no coming back from that. We still have like three good position players on our entire roster. Until that changes, you need to keep building. Then, once you've got a good and young core, you add those last couple of pieces. Until then, you're doing nothing but wasting your money and prolonging your futility.

Agreed 100%

 

[Uncle Si]

Stupidity is failing to learn from your own mistakes. Do NOT, for ANY reason, trade our top prospects again. Sign free agents or take on salary style trades without giving up prospects. There is one way to win consistently in MLB, and it isn't by adding free agents and trading your prospects. If you cash in all your chips and try to win it all this year and get the wrong players, you're done. DONE. There is no coming back from that. We still have like three good position players on our entire roster. Until that changes, you need to keep building. Then, once you've got a good and young core, you add those last couple of pieces. Until then, you're doing nothing but wasting your money and prolonging your futility.

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did you watch this team last year? this team has already done that. they already have the good young core. They've already waited on their prospects. some of them have been realized as legit MLB talents. We now have a legit MLB team.

We cant go through another cycle of waiting. Now is the time to cash in. whether its free agency or using a chip to gain a better player.

waiting is not the right strategy for the way this team sits now. It would be stupidity to assume the current roster with prospects is a World Series team.

 

[dumbrabbit]

No. I'm not willing to give up Walker or Paxton unless I get a big return,and even then I wouldn't consider selling them. They are too valuable to let another team have their production.

No, No, and No to trading most any of our pitching. But then again, I guess, besides Felix and Cano, and the current state of the M's, anyone is vulnerable at this point.

Without the pitching, the M's wouldn't be where they're at right now.

 

[Uncle Si]

No. I'm not willing to give up Walker or Paxton unless I get a big return,and even then I wouldn't consider selling them. They are too valuable to let another team have their production.

No, No, and No to trading most any of our pitching. But then again, I guess, besides Felix and Cano, and the current state of the M's, anyone is vulnerable at this point.

Without the pitching, the M's wouldn't be where they're at right now.

Walker and Paxton arent really prospects. using them in a trade would need to net a major league hitter. Pitchers are such different players when it comes to perceived value. injury is always a major concern.

Id suggest one of Zunino and Miller. others are from the farm.

either way, this team is a right handed bat, starting pitcher and possibly another bat away from being a World Series team. do we really sit on what we have when we have a lineup as strong as this (and strongest in over a decade?)

 

[IndyHawk]

As for the 1b issue..I kind of like Lomo there..He seemed to be progressing as the season went on..Is this so bad?

 

[dumbrabbit]

No. I'm not willing to give up Walker or Paxton unless I get a big return,and even then I wouldn't consider selling them. They are too valuable to let another team have their production.

No, No, and No to trading most any of our pitching. But then again, I guess, besides Felix and Cano, and the current state of the M's, anyone is vulnerable at this point.

Without the pitching, the M's wouldn't be where they're at right now.

Walker and Paxton arent really prospects. using them in a trade would need to net a major league hitter. Pitchers are such different players when it comes to perceived value. injury is always a major concern.

Id suggest one of Zunino and Miller. others are from the farm.

either way, this team is a right handed bat, starting pitcher and possibly another bat away from being a World Series team. do we really sit on what we have when we have a lineup as strong as this (and strongest in over a decade?)

You're right. But nevertheless I still don't want our pitching to be traded. If we start being a more offensive team we'll go right back to where we were 2 years ago.

No way in hell would I give up our catcher of the future! He's the best catcher we have had since Dan Wilson. He makes tough pitches look like strikes. He's like the catcher version of Robinson Cano with so much power. He's #2 in homers last year and I think he'll be a lot better batter in the next year. Thing I love about him is his catching skills.

Okay If there's anybody I'd be interested in giving up, It's Miller. We got Taylor who looks like a hella great SS and I think we can afford to give up Miller if we absolutely HAD to trade someone. I guess I could trade Saunders too, if we get a RH outfield bat.

Once again, There's really no one in the M's organization that I really want to trade without a big return, and even then I probably wouldn't consider it.

There are options in FA. You don't give up players by signing a FA, right?

I'm just saying people on this board should be careful what they wish for. I can bet that one of these OFs M's are rumored to be checking in on will cost the M's Walker, Paxton, or Iwakuma. And I don't like it.

 

[Uncle Si]

You know what I kept saying Miller/zunino. Meant Miller/Taylor.

I'm with you. I want to hang on to as many of our good young players. But we need a couple players. Santana or Lester perhaps. But what about the bat?

Someone mentioned Lomo. Good option to keep, but in platoon I'd say.

 

[dumbrabbit]

I just don't want to sacrifice our best pitching talent for offense. The only way we're gonna win games is with the defense we have. This offense is going to grow. Just watch. This team doesn't need to risk spending much money for high-profile bats. Just use the money to extend guys like Zunino and Ackley.

I'll be very suprised if Walker or Paxton gets traded this year.

Oh, and I'm not saying the M's shouldn't look into Free Agency. I'm just saying they need to be careful about who they want/need vs who they already have.

 

[jkitsune]

Rumor going 'round is that Nelson Cruz has signed a multi-year (possibly4?) deal for $57MM pending physical.

 

[CurryStopstheRuns]

There's one bat.

Here is a link: http://m.elcaribe.com.do/2014/12/01/lrm ... es-dolares

 

[HawkFan72]

Ugh. This is the one move I didn't want to happen. Two years too many, IMO. He's probably going to go back to his declining ways now that he's playing for Seattle and making good money. It's a Mariners tradition.

 

[dumbrabbit]

I'd rather have Cruz than trade our top prospects for a bat with one or two years of control. I'm very on board with this.

 

[dumbrabbit]

Fellas: Cruz, Cano, Seager, Felix! I love this team!

 

[Uncle Si]

Ugh. This is the one move I didn't want to happen. Two years too many, IMO. He's probably going to go back to his declining ways now that he's playing for Seattle and making good money. It's a Mariners tradition.

maybe, but atleast we didnt give up any prospects and filled a need. Its not a bad move in reality, and I'm excited to see where he fits in the lineup

He's hit 20+ HRs ever since 2009. He may never hit 40 again, but his power numbers are still worth the risk of 14 mill per year.

its a win now move, and the M's didnt give up anything. Very good move

 

[dumbrabbit]

Best part of this deal for me, is that, despite his age, I believe McClendon will make sure Cruz will keep playing hard.