Mariners Offseason Thread 2014-2015

[HawkFan72]

You forgot the "kid"..But yeah we developed a lot that left by fa or trades..Hopefully that has changed..

I didn't forget him. He asked to get out of Seattle in his prime, so he doesn't make the list.

He goes on the same list as ARod, Adam Jones, Sin Soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Jason Varitek, Derek Lowe, etc etc...of great talents the M's let get away. They were never career-long Mariners. You could maybe count Randy Johnson on there too, even though he had already pitched in the major leagues for the Expos when we got him and wasn't really developed by the Mariners. Ichiro was already a star in Japan, he wasn't developed by the Mariners.

Of guys that the Mariners drafted or acquired when they were minor leaguers, who went on to become stars and stay with the Mariners for their career, it really has only been Felix and Edgar Martinez and now Seager in the last 30 years. That's really bad.

 

[Uncle Si]

You forgot the "kid"..But yeah we developed a lot that left by fa or trades..Hopefully that has changed..

I didn't forget him. He asked to get out of Seattle in his prime, so he doesn't make the list.

He goes on the same list as ARod, Adam Jones, Sin Soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Jason Varitek, Derek Lowe, etc etc...of great talents the M's let get away. They were never career-long Mariners. You could maybe count Randy Johnson on there too, even though he had already pitched in the major leagues for the Expos when we got him and wasn't really developed by the Mariners. Ichiro was already a star in Japan, he wasn't developed by the Mariners.

Of guys that the Mariners drafted or acquired when they were minor leaguers, who went on to become stars and stay with the Mariners for their career, it really has only been Felix and Edgar Martinez and now Seager in the last 30 years. That's really bad.

go ahead and name players who came up through a farm system, became stars and stayed with their team their entire career over the last 30 years

Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera






(still thinking, i know there are others, but its rarely more than 2-3 a team)


its not a long list.

Its not the Mariners. It happens across baseball. Of that list, Jones and Varitek are the ones that seemed to "get away"

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Good to see Kyle staying. His numbers have improved as he's matured and seems poised to be a 30/100 guy for several years. Add Gold Glove defense to that and you've got a cornerstone for the foreseeable future.

Still need at least one more stud bat...........

 

[dumbrabbit]

If we can get a good first baseman signed, we can have one of the best infield teams for a long time.

 

[Uncle Si]

If we can get a good first baseman signed, we can have one of the best infield teams for a long time.

who though? any names jump out?

 

[dumbrabbit]

If we can get a good first baseman signed, we can have one of the best infield teams for a long time.

who though? any names jump out?

I may sound really really really really really stupid and dumb, but I want Kendrys Morales back. He has that power that we need. The M's don't need to look for a top FA. Morales isn't that great defensively, but I can sacrifice Morales for Seager's and Cano's defensive capabilities. They can make Morales's job at 1B easy. Plus he won't cost a lot of money. He'll have a full spring training to work with this year if he signs a contract in the offseason. I'd sign him for 3 year, $8M. A prove it deal. When he is on a hot streak, he can get on a hot streak as he showed down the stretch last year a little bit.

 

[m0ng0]

DJ Peterson? Jordy Lara?

 

[Uncle Si]

DJ Peterson?

I think hes a September call up at earliest. but yeah, the kid may be the real thing. Given that, maybe Morales on a decent deal (as dumrabbit surmised) is a good option.

Team needs one, just one, good power bat outside what they have. Morales isnt it, but he probably wouldnt keep them from getting it if he signed

 

[dumbrabbit]

Remember the team still has Alex Jackson, who might be the outfielder of the future. sometime. I love that guy.

 

[m0ng0]

DJ Peterson?

I think hes a September call up at earliest. but yeah, the kid may be the real thing. Given that, maybe Morales on a decent deal (as dumrabbit surmised) is a good option.

Team needs one, just one, good power bat outside what they have. Morales isnt it, but he probably wouldnt keep them from getting it if he signed

Z said he has a fair shot at the opening day roster
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/mlb/7464/dj-peterson

 

[Sgt. Largent]

DJ Peterson?

I think hes a September call up at earliest. but yeah, the kid may be the real thing. Given that, maybe Morales on a decent deal (as dumrabbit surmised) is a good option.

Team needs one, just one, good power bat outside what they have. Morales isnt it, but he probably wouldnt keep them from getting it if he signed

idk, part of me wants to see him get some more time in the minors before calling him up.

I feel like maybe we rushed Ackley to the majors too quickly and stunted his growth as a hitter. Don't want to see the same thing happen to another promising player like DJ.

 

[Uncle Si]

DJ Peterson?

I think hes a September call up at earliest. but yeah, the kid may be the real thing. Given that, maybe Morales on a decent deal (as dumrabbit surmised) is a good option.

Team needs one, just one, good power bat outside what they have. Morales isnt it, but he probably wouldnt keep them from getting it if he signed

idk, part of me wants to see him get some more time in the minors before calling him up.

I feel like maybe we rushed Ackley to the majors too quickly and stunted his growth as a hitter. Don't want to see the same thing happen to another promising player like DJ.

Me as well. I mean if we "need" him, sure. But the idea of where we are is to find a high end established player to fill the need (after waiting a handful of years for the prospects to come good)

 

[m0ng0]

this Jordy Lara kid has a pretty big bat also, I don't even remember getting him. I would hate to rush either of them, but if they are ready to go, they are ready to go I suppose.

 

[HawkFan72]

You forgot the "kid"..But yeah we developed a lot that left by fa or trades..Hopefully that has changed..

I didn't forget him. He asked to get out of Seattle in his prime, so he doesn't make the list.

He goes on the same list as ARod, Adam Jones, Sin Soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Jason Varitek, Derek Lowe, etc etc...of great talents the M's let get away. They were never career-long Mariners. You could maybe count Randy Johnson on there too, even though he had already pitched in the major leagues for the Expos when we got him and wasn't really developed by the Mariners. Ichiro was already a star in Japan, he wasn't developed by the Mariners.

Of guys that the Mariners drafted or acquired when they were minor leaguers, who went on to become stars and stay with the Mariners for their career, it really has only been Felix and Edgar Martinez and now Seager in the last 30 years. That's really bad.

go ahead and name players who came up through a farm system, became stars and stayed with their team their entire career over the last 30 years

Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera






(still thinking, i know there are others, but its rarely more than 2-3 a team)


its not a long list.

Its not the Mariners. It happens across baseball. Of that list, Jones and Varitek are the ones that seemed to "get away"

Chipper Jones, Todd Helton, Jimmy Rollins, Joe Mauer, Chase Utley, David Wright, Michael Young, Bernie Williams, Jeff Bagwell, Cal Ripken, Craig Biggio, Tony Gwynn are a few more.

You're right though, it is probably not as extreme as I made it out to be. Just frustrating to see so many good players get shipped out or leave when it seems like other teams are able to keep their stars. But yeah, it's probably not more than 3 per team. It just feels like it.

I think now is the age of baseball where we will see more young stars stay with their teams, as young players are being locked up early. I'm glad, that's how it should be.

 

[Uncle Si]

You forgot the "kid"..But yeah we developed a lot that left by fa or trades..Hopefully that has changed..

I didn't forget him. He asked to get out of Seattle in his prime, so he doesn't make the list.

He goes on the same list as ARod, Adam Jones, Sin Soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Jason Varitek, Derek Lowe, etc etc...of great talents the M's let get away. They were never career-long Mariners. You could maybe count Randy Johnson on there too, even though he had already pitched in the major leagues for the Expos when we got him and wasn't really developed by the Mariners. Ichiro was already a star in Japan, he wasn't developed by the Mariners.

Of guys that the Mariners drafted or acquired when they were minor leaguers, who went on to become stars and stay with the Mariners for their career, it really has only been Felix and Edgar Martinez and now Seager in the last 30 years. That's really bad.

go ahead and name players who came up through a farm system, became stars and stayed with their team their entire career over the last 30 years

Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera






(still thinking, i know there are others, but its rarely more than 2-3 a team)


its not a long list.

Its not the Mariners. It happens across baseball. Of that list, Jones and Varitek are the ones that seemed to "get away"

Chipper Jones, Todd Helton, Jimmy Rollins, Joe Mauer, Chase Utley, David Wright, Michael Young, Bernie Williams, Jeff Bagwell, Cal Ripken, Craig Biggio, Tony Gwynn are a few more.

You're right though, it is probably not as extreme as I made it out to be. Just frustrating to see so many good players get shipped out or leave when it seems like other teams are able to keep their stars. But yeah, it's probably not more than 3 per team. It just feels like it.

I think now is the age of baseball where we will see more young stars stay with their teams, as young players are being locked up early. I'm glad, that's how it should be.

no, there are definately players (and thats a good list). I'm just saying when spread out amongst every ball club, its hard to find that special player, brought up from the farm that becomes a star and stays with his team. I'm happy for Seager, hope his name would join a list like that in the future.

the Mauer one is interesting, as the Twins had really banked their future on finding more "Mauers", and just havent.

 

[hawkfan68]

DJ Peterson?

I think hes a September call up at earliest. but yeah, the kid may be the real thing. Given that, maybe Morales on a decent deal (as dumrabbit surmised) is a good option.

Team needs one, just one, good power bat outside what they have. Morales isnt it, but he probably wouldnt keep them from getting it if he signed

idk, part of me wants to see him get some more time in the minors before calling him up.

I feel like maybe we rushed Ackley to the majors too quickly and stunted his growth as a hitter. Don't want to see the same thing happen to another promising player like DJ.

Me as well. I mean if we "need" him, sure. But the idea of where we are is to find a high end established player to fill the need (after waiting a handful of years for the prospects to come good)

It didn't seem to be a big issue with Kyle Seager. Being rushed into the majors. Didn't he get drafted the same time as Ackley?

 

[Uncle Si]

Ive no issues bringing up a prospect. However, this team is supposed to be going for it this year. I'd prefer a known asset. We waited five years for Ackely, Smoak, MIller, Seager, Zunino, Franklin, Walker, Paxton, Montero to fill in with the understanding that high value veterans would mix with them. Well, here we are. I feel we need two more high value players and we are off. Not sure DJ Peterson is that player and I honestly would be very frustrated if the FO came out and said they were going to use young prospects (of which Seattle has a good number) to take us over the top...again.

 

[HawkFan72]

Ive no issues bringing up a prospect. However, this team is supposed to be going for it this year. I'd prefer a known asset. We waited five years for Ackely, Smoak, MIller, Seager, Zunino, Franklin, Walker, Paxton, Montero to fill in with the understanding that high value veterans would mix with them. Well, here we are. I feel we need two more high value players and we are off. Not sure DJ Peterson is that player and I honestly would be very frustrated if the FO came out and said they were going to use young prospects (of which Seattle has a good number) to take us over the top...again.

I agree. Just sitting on our hands isn't going to work anymore. We've built up a good farm system over the last few years, only to see most of the assets waste away with injury or wasted potential. It's time for us to use some chips to sit at the big boy table.

 

[dumbrabbit]

Ive no issues bringing up a prospect. However, this team is supposed to be going for it this year. I'd prefer a known asset. We waited five years for Ackely, Smoak, MIller, Seager, Zunino, Franklin, Walker, Paxton, Montero to fill in with the understanding that high value veterans would mix with them. Well, here we are. I feel we need two more high value players and we are off. Not sure DJ Peterson is that player and I honestly would be very frustrated if the FO came out and said they were going to use young prospects (of which Seattle has a good number) to take us over the top...again.

I agree. Just sitting on our hands isn't going to work anymore. We've built up a good farm system over the last few years, only to see most of the assets waste away with injury or wasted potential. It's time for us to use some chips to sit at the big boy table.

No. Let's not mortgage our future now. These kids are the future of the M's. without the farm system the Mariners wouldn't be where they are right now. You build a dynasty through the farm system, not through Free Agency.

 

[Uncle Si]

Ive no issues bringing up a prospect. However, this team is supposed to be going for it this year. I'd prefer a known asset. We waited five years for Ackely, Smoak, MIller, Seager, Zunino, Franklin, Walker, Paxton, Montero to fill in with the understanding that high value veterans would mix with them. Well, here we are. I feel we need two more high value players and we are off. Not sure DJ Peterson is that player and I honestly would be very frustrated if the FO came out and said they were going to use young prospects (of which Seattle has a good number) to take us over the top...again.

I agree. Just sitting on our hands isn't going to work anymore. We've built up a good farm system over the last few years, only to see most of the assets waste away with injury or wasted potential. It's time for us to use some chips to sit at the big boy table.

No. Let's not mortgage our future now. These kids are the future of the M's. without the farm system the Mariners wouldn't be where they are right now. You build a dynasty through the farm system, not through Free Agency.

they've built a very good team so far. using some assets to bring in a player or two that would push them to the next level is fine.

Has to be within reason, and I doubt a player like Peterson would be available. more of a Miller or Zunino