Malik McDowell in "vehicular" accident

[Seymour]

Friggen Times and their lame article limit!!! :roll: :141847_bnono:

It's not a long article. It's just a quick write up about him being put on the NFI list and that they don't know anything about his future status. I'm sure Pete will be asked later, but he may not give much in the way of details. The fact he's on NFI tells me he's probably longer term (more than a few days) and they can use the roster spot on someone else. If they had used PUP he'd count as a roster spot.

Thank you KH. About what I knew from gathered info.

I figure at this point he will be out 2-4 games as my rough guesstimate.

No science to this...just a WAG.

 

[kidhawk]

Friggen Times and their lame article limit!!! :roll: :141847_bnono:

It's not a long article. It's just a quick write up about him being put on the NFI list and that they don't know anything about his future status. I'm sure Pete will be asked later, but he may not give much in the way of details. The fact he's on NFI tells me he's probably longer term (more than a few days) and they can use the roster spot on someone else. If they had used PUP he'd count as a roster spot.

Thank you KH. About what I knew from gathered info.

I figure at this point he will be out 2-4 games as my rough guesstimate.

No science to this...just a WAG.

Are you thinking regular season games or pre-season games?. If it's pre-season, then yes, he can be activated at any point. If we get into the regular season, and he's not ready to go, I doubt they'd waste a roster spot on him if he's not ready to play week 1. They'd likely leave him on the Reserve/NFI list which means he wouldn't be eligible to play until week 6 of the regular season.

 

[Seymour]

2-4 reg. season games. That gives him 6+ weeks. If he is week to week, I think the roster spot for your top pick will be sacrificed if need be. I haven't read up on NFI rules to see if that burns a spot or not?

 

[kidhawk]

2-4 reg. season games. That gives him 6+ weeks. If he is week to week, I think the roster spot for your top pick will be sacrificed if need be. I haven't read up on NFI rules to see if that burns a spot or not?

If he's on the NFI to start the year, he must miss 6 games, but as with the PUP list, we get a roster exemption. If he were a veteran who knows the team and the plays I could see a scenario where they make him active and sit him for a few weeks, but as a rookie with nothing but OTA's under his belt, if he's not ready to start the year, they won't waste the roster spot. They'll leave him on the list and bring him back after 6 weeks (assuming he's cleared). At that point, they have 2 weeks to let him practice before they have to activate him, so I could see him not playing until week 7 or 8 under the scenario that he's not ready for any of training camp.

Obviously I hope he can come back during camp and get some practice in, but we have to wait and see.

 

[LolaRox]

Friggen Times and their lame article limit!!! :roll: :141847_bnono:

It's not a long article. It's just a quick write up about him being put on the NFI list and that they don't know anything about his future status. I'm sure Pete will be asked later, but he may not give much in the way of details. The fact he's on NFI tells me he's probably longer term (more than a few days) and they can use the roster spot on someone else. If they had used PUP he'd count as a roster spot.

In preseason/offseason, I think, NFI players count against the 90 man roster, that's why they had to give Frese the boot, to make room for McDowell. Whether he counts against the 53 depends on his status at that time.

 

[Basis4day]

Friggen Times and their lame article limit!!! :roll: :141847_bnono:

It's not a long article. It's just a quick write up about him being put on the NFI list and that they don't know anything about his future status. I'm sure Pete will be asked later, but he may not give much in the way of details. The fact he's on NFI tells me he's probably longer term (more than a few days) and they can use the roster spot on someone else. If they had used PUP he'd count as a roster spot.

In preseason/offseason, I think, NFI players count against the 90 man roster, that's why they had to give Frese the boot, to make room for McDowell. Whether he counts against the 53 depends on his status at that time.

Correct

 

[kidhawk]

Friggen Times and their lame article limit!!! :roll: :141847_bnono:

It's not a long article. It's just a quick write up about him being put on the NFI list and that they don't know anything about his future status. I'm sure Pete will be asked later, but he may not give much in the way of details. The fact he's on NFI tells me he's probably longer term (more than a few days) and they can use the roster spot on someone else. If they had used PUP he'd count as a roster spot.

In preseason/offseason, I think, NFI players count against the 90 man roster, that's why they had to give Frese the boot, to make room for McDowell. Whether he counts against the 53 depends on his status at that time.

That may be the case, although I haven't been able to find anything concrete stating that as fact. All I know is the rules for pre-season are different than the regular season. I am pretty sure that they don't count against the regular roster limits if they are on the NFI or PUP lists when the regular season starts. I'm not sure about the preseason but I would think it makes sense to be the same. Of course NFL rules don't always make sense.

 

[Mojambo]

Carroll described the injury as "long term" in nature today.

Speculate away.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Carroll described the injury as "long term" in nature today.

Speculate away.

Not sure what that means to you guys, but long term to me means at least half the season, if not the entire season.

What an idiot.

 

[2_0_6]

I really hope there is no neurological damage.

 

[kidhawk]

Carroll described the injury as "long term" in nature today.

Speculate away.

I listened to his press conference today and didn't hear him say anything of the sort. His answers were all "I don't know" "he's still being assessed" things of that nature. The only time factor I heard him say was when asked about when he'll know he said it would be awhile.

Edit...I do remember something about taking care of him for the long term. And Bennett mentioned that whenever players have injuries like this (head injuries) he worries about the long term as in their life after football. But none of it seemed to allude to a long term injury as in how much time he'd miss. I would say that the longer they give vague and non responsive answers, the higher the likelihood of him missing significant time

 

[QuickLightning]

Sounds like it might be career threatening.

https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... 1872489472

Michael Bennett is talking about hoping Malik McDowell's quality of life and brain aren't affected long term by ATV accident

 

[Mojambo]

Carroll described the injury as "long term" in nature today.

Speculate away.

I listened to his press conference today and didn't hear him say anything of the sort.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... jury-list/

However, when asked if “it’s a long-term thing” Carroll said “yes.”

I guess you could parse that he means, a long term thing to gather information on it, but it sure sounds like he's a ways off.

 

[kidhawk]

Sounds like it might be career threatening.

https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... 1872489472

Michael Bennett is talking about hoping Malik McDowell's quality of life and brain aren't affected long term by ATV accident

Bennett specifically said during his press conference that he was not speaking to his playing or not playing football, only that he has concerns for the guy as a man and not just a player. Head injuries with NFL players are a hot topic issue right now.

 

[kidhawk]

Carroll described the injury as "long term" in nature today.

Speculate away.

I listened to his press conference today and didn't hear him say anything of the sort.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... jury-list/

However, when asked if “it’s a long-term thing” Carroll said “yes.”

I guess you could parse that he means, a long term thing to gather information on it, but it sure sounds like he's a ways off.

As i said, Carroll said it'd be awhile yet as they go through the process of examinations and tests. They aren't rushing it. Too many people and too much speculation right now. There's no real information out there making any factual prognosis.

 

[Seymour]

Sounds like it might be career threatening.

https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... 1872489472

Michael Bennett is talking about hoping Malik McDowell's quality of life and brain aren't affected long term by ATV accident

I would not use a generic statement from Bennett as a sign it may be career threatening myself.

I heard that and did not take that from his statement at all. The same statement could be made from any concussion. Seeing the hamburger face he likely has only adds to peoples speculation IMO.

 

[kidhawk]

Sounds like it might be career threatening.

https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... 1872489472

Michael Bennett is talking about hoping Malik McDowell's quality of life and brain aren't affected long term by ATV accident

I would not use a generic statement from Bennett as a sign it may be career threatening myself.

I heard that and did not take that from his statement at all. The same statement could be made from any concussion. Seeing the hamburger face he likely has only adds to peoples speculation IMO.

100% agreed. Concussions are serious issues, especially with what we know about CTE and it being a hot topic right now. Any concussion is a long term issue, so right now everyone is living on speculation and the worse they make it sound the more clicks they get.

 

[kidhawk]

http://www.seahawks.com/video/2017/08/0 ... conference

Link to the press conference for context

 

[Shadowhawk]

If, as I suspect, the team keeps him on NFI going into the regular season, there are two NFI lists available.

1) Active/Non-Football Injury List: like PUP, he is out at least six weeks with a roster exemption, then has a window of time where he can come back before he gets shut down for the season. The team can recoup signing bonus and/or base salary if they choose to, at their discretion.

2) Reserve/Non-Football Injury List: like IR, he is done for the year. Again, the team can recoup some of the money they paid him this year if they choose.

My completely uninformed guess is that he will end up on the Active NFI list to start the season and we'll start to see him get time in the DT rotation at some point in the second half of the season.

 

[Hawkfish]

Do you expect him to be ready for the start of the season next month?

“I don’t know,” Carroll said. “I don’t know that.”

Is there still a chance McDowell can play this season?

“I don’t know that. I really don’t. And I’m not taking any sides. I don’t know. I don’t know what the deal is yet.”

But either way, it’s a long-term thing?

“Yes,” Carroll said. “Yes.”

Yes, I hear your questions why the team is being so vague about the exact nature of his injuries.

Carroll said this when asked what he could say on the nature of McDowell’s injuries: “We’re just not saying anything right now, because we are just staying out of it as far as... check with the docs (which media cannot do, by team rule).

Also:

The active/non-football-injury list allows a player to return to practice any time he is medically cleared. He counts against the roster. A team does that when they believe he’s coming back sooner than later.

The reserve/non-football-injury list is like injured reserve -- except unlike IR teams can withhold salary money from a reserve/NFI player. A player on reserve/NFI will not return to play this season.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nf ... 73892.html