MacDonald riding with Geno

[GemCity]

Real question…since we’re talking about the 2025 season, who would you replace Geno with?

I can’t think of one legit option…whether drafting or FA.

What are we all asking for here?

I DO believe we need to start ‘taking shots’ in the draft. Obviously, good QBs don’t grow on trees. We haven’t necessarily been in a position to grab a pre-draft, projected top tier kind of guy due to our median meddling seasons. Double edged sword for sure.

A good, young QB can turn an organization around. Jayden Daniels….Stroud (even as bad a season as he had). Similarly, drafting a guy that early can wreck havoc on a team…Young, maybe Caleb Williams (jury’s still out).

If you were JS, what would you do?

Not being cynical here…I just don’t see a path forward except rocking with Geno. I’m ok with that although I don’t believe he’s going to take us anywhere far. I know what that sounds like but…

Stated it before but, my biggest fear is we end up re-signing him for some stupid amount.

 

[toffee]

Real question…since we’re talking about the 2025 season, who would you replace Geno with?

I can’t think of one legit option…whether drafting or FA.

What are we all asking for here?

I DO believe we need to start ‘taking shots’ in the draft. Obviously, good QBs don’t grow on trees. We haven’t necessarily been in a position to grab a pre-draft, projected top tier kind of guy due to our median meddling seasons. Double edged sword for sure.

A good, young QB can turn an organization around. Jayden Daniels….Stroud (even as bad a season as he had). Similarly, drafting a guy that early can wreck havoc on a team…Young, maybe Caleb Williams (jury’s still out).

If you were JS, what would you do?

Not being cynical here…I just don’t see a path forward except rocking with Geno. I’m ok with that although I don’t believe he’s going to take us anywhere far. I know what that sounds like but…

Stated it before but, my biggest fear is we end up re-signing him for some stupid amount.

If I were Schneider, on the issue of QB, my scouts and I would study the QBs in the class of 2025 if our careers depended on it.

If there is a savior class QB, we will strategize how to draft him. If the savior needs a year to learn, I will keep Geno for his final contract year, or release him if he finds a suitor and sign Kirk Cousin at $1.x mil as the Falcons will pay him.

If there aren't any savior-class QBs? I will extend Geno at around $30mil on a 2+1 contract.

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

When it comes to being super pro new QB in 2025, I think you're just supposed to blindly hate Geno to the point that any other QB seems like a good alternative. If tanking was a thing in the NFL, there's a really good debate between playing for these ~10 win seasons vs tanking, but tanking isn't a thing. Instead it's a debate between Geno and unfortunately, a handful of likely lesser options.

 

[Ozzy]

The thing that drives me crazy about the Geno debate is that it almost never takes into account the market. It's this opinion, that opinion, this group of stats, that group of stats. Geno's talent, or how good of a QB he is, is largely set by the market, what teams see in him and are willing to pay for. You can talk all you want about how good he is, but if the market doesn't see it that way, isn't willing to pay for it, then how good or valuable is he to a team at this stage of his career?

I think Seattle is a special situation for him. He knows the team, head coach, many of the players, the team doesn't seem to have a good alternative to him at this time, etc... There are teams that need a QB. But does anyone see the Raiders or Titans getting into a bidding war for Geno that pays him what the top 10 or QB's are getting? I could be wrong, but I don't.

I think you're right and Geno can want whatever he wants doesn't mean hes getting it.

 

[Double Tribble]

In my opinion, there are only two questions worth asking here. 1. Does anyone seriously think Geno is going to lead us to a sb, much less win one? Since the answer to that seems to be a resounding NO, even among his defenders, then that begs the second question: Why bother having him on the team then? The opportunity cost is simply too high when we could roll with Howell or some other young stopgap qb for a year, strengthen our oline with the money saved, and assuming we win 5-7 games, we would be in a great position to draft our qbotf in '26 in a strong qb class. Playing Mr. Purgatory serves no useful purpose except kicking the can down the road, putting us in worse draft position with nothing to show for it, and spending money that could be better spent strengthening the team elsewhere.

 

[GemCity]

In my opinion, there are only two questions worth asking here. 1. Does anyone seriously think Geno is going to lead us to a sb, much less win one? Since the answer to that seems to be a resounding NO, even among his defenders, then that begs the second question: Why bother having him on the team then? The opportunity cost is simply too high when we could roll with Howell or some other young stopgap qb for a year, strengthen our oline with the money saved, and assuming we win 5-7 games, we would be in a great position to draft our qbotf in '26 in a strong qb class. Playing Mr. Purgatory serves no useful purpose except kicking the can down the road, putting us in worse draft position with nothing to show for it, and spending money that could be better spent strengthening the team elsewhere.

I think it may be that whole 5-7 win thing. Even the shittiest of shit teams this year cared more about winning than they cared about having the top pick.

With that said, back to purgatory we go.

 

[Subzero717]

If I were Schneider, on the issue of QB, my scouts and I would study the QBs in the class of 2025 if our careers depended on it.

If there is a savior class QB, we will strategize how to draft him. If the savior needs a year to learn, I will keep Geno for his final contract year, or release him if he finds a suitor and sign Kirk Cousin at $1.x mil as the Falcons will pay him.

If there aren't any savior-class QBs? I will extend Geno at around $30mil on a 2+1 contract.

Why would Geno sign for 30 mill a year?

 

[toffee]

Why would Geno sign for 30 mill a year?

If we are the only suitor, he will take $30 or less for a multi-year deal.

 

[DarkVictory23]

AR didn't have that bad of a year. He was bad in spots sure, but he won't a much of a market because he's a super douche bag

Eh, he was below average (or worse) in basically every single advanced metric and didn't look good on tape. He still has some arm talent, able to get completions in spots that you're just like 'How did he make that work?', but his overall accuracy this year was pretty poor to go along with his legs being gone.

He was a Cooper Rush level QB with a HOF'ers resume. Typically, I'd think the HOF resume might be enough to keep the interest up a bit... but as you said, he's a douche bag.

I keep coming back to it...but what other team wants to go get Geno and extend him for big money for three more years at the age of 35-36? The Hawks and, and, and...who?

Until proven otherwise...we'd be bidding against ourselves.

Geno on a very team friendly extension with "outs" seems right to me. Not a dollar more than is necessary. We've got other holes to fill.

I completely agree with this. Geno is in a unique situation (and so are we) that essentially encourages a team friendly deal.

Are there other teams that might have some interest in Geno? They'd have to be essentially playoff level teams who need an upgrade at QB. And not just an upgrade. They have to not have anything invested in their current QB.

The list is like... Pittsburgh and... actually, the list might just be Pittsburgh.

In my opinion, there are only two questions worth asking here. 1. Does anyone seriously think Geno is going to lead us to a sb, much less win one? Since the answer to that seems to be a resounding NO, even among his defenders, then that begs the second question: Why bother having him on the team then? The opportunity cost is simply too high when we could roll with Howell or some other young stopgap qb for a year, strengthen our oline with the money saved, and assuming we win 5-7 games, we would be in a great position to draft our qbotf in '26 in a strong qb class. Playing Mr. Purgatory serves no useful purpose except kicking the can down the road, putting us in worse draft position with nothing to show for it, and spending money that could be better spent strengthening the team elsewhere.

I have two issues with this argument: First, there is no reason whatsoever to think we can't win a Super Bowl with Geno. The idea that you HAVE to have the best of the best QB is not real.

We had two top 10 offenses for the two seasons before this ill-fated experiment with Ryan Grubb. Not good enough? The average ranking of offenses to make a Conference Championship since Geno came into the league (2013, when we won the Super Bowl... with the #9 offense) was approximately 6th.

The average ranking of offenses who actually won the whole enchilada was about 7th. The best offense in the NFL has only won the big one once in the last 11 years (the best defense has won it twice). If you can lead a top 10 offense, you can lead a Super Bowl winner.

My second issue with this is that you are essentially arguing for tanking which past results have shown doesn't work in the NFL.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Congratulations to all on 25 pages of Geno!

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[keasley45]

In my opinion, there are only two questions worth asking here. 1. Does anyone seriously think Geno is going to lead us to a sb, much less win one? Since the answer to that seems to be a resounding NO, even among his defenders, then that begs the second question: Why bother having him on the team then? The opportunity cost is simply too high when we could roll with Howell or some other young stopgap qb for a year, strengthen our oline with the money saved, and assuming we win 5-7 games, we would be in a great position to draft our qbotf in '26 in a strong qb class. Playing Mr. Purgatory serves no useful purpose except kicking the can down the road, putting us in worse draft position with nothing to show for it, and spending money that could be better spent strengthening the team elsewhere.

If he can win 10 games with no line, no running game and no coordinator, why cant he win 3 more?

 

[ruffENrowdy]

If he can win 10 games with no line, no running game and no coordinator, why cant he win 3 more?

Man, you gotta quit this lol. You will never convince any of us geNOs that he can make a superbowl because he can't. There were numerous times this year that he had time and made a horrible decision. At the same time, yes he made some good throws, but the bad ones were BAD.

I guess the stat I pay most attention to is yardage vs tds.. How can you throw over 4k yards and only end up with 21 tds? How many tds came against bad teams vs good teams? It's a serious question because it proves geNO gets inside his head. When he's on, he's on. As soon as he starts messing up, he does a couple good passes.. But man he can make seriously horrible mistakes. Taking sacks, throwing it to the defense, etc. He is not worth anything more than what we are paying him currently.

 

[Rat]

If he can win 10 games with no line, no running game and no coordinator, why cant he win 3 more?

That's not really an overnight fix. He turns 35 a month into next season, how old is he going to be when you can repair everything he apparently needs while also not allowing anything else to get worse? He's not 23 years old, as much as some people on here like to pretend he is.

 

[keasley45]

Man, you gotta quit this lol. You will never convince any of us geNOs that he can make a superbowl because he can't. There were numerous times this year that he had time and made a horrible decision. At the same time, yes he made some good throws, but the bad ones were BAD.

I guess the stat I pay most attention to is yardage vs tds.. How can you throw over 4k yards and only end up with 21 tds? How many tds came against bad teams vs good teams? It's a serious question because it proves geNO gets inside his head. When he's on, he's on. As soon as he starts messing up, he does a couple good passes.. But man he can make seriously horrible mistakes. Taking sacks, throwing it to the defense, etc. He is not worth anything more than what we are paying him currently.

I just asked a question. Thats all.

We should bring Lock back.

 

[keasley45]

That's not really an overnight fix. He turns 35 a month into next season, how old is he going to be when you can repair everything he apparently needs while also not allowing anything else to get worse? He's not 23 years old, as much as some people on here like to pretend he is.

A good coordinator can 'fix' it this year. Lol. If you dont agree, you havent been paying attention to how John and Mac have been moving.

So much of this isnt even about the QB. We fielded an ineffective offense because our coordinators have been awful.

How many wins is a good coordinator worth?

This year we lost the Giants game because our old coordinator threw the ball 87% of the time against a bad run defense.

Lol.

Thats 1 win and we are in the playoffs.

Glad Mac and John dont see it all as being so hopeless and far away.

 

[keasley45]

Man, you gotta quit this lol. You will never convince any of us geNOs that he can make a superbowl because he can't. There were numerous times this year that he had time and made a horrible decision. At the same time, yes he made some good throws, but the bad ones were BAD.

I guess the stat I pay most attention to is yardage vs tds.. How can you throw over 4k yards and only end up with 21 tds? How many tds came against bad teams vs good teams? It's a serious question because it proves geNO gets inside his head. When he's on, he's on. As soon as he starts messing up, he does a couple good passes.. But man he can make seriously horrible mistakes. Taking sacks, throwing it to the defense, etc. He is not worth anything more than what we are paying him currently.

And i was told to 'quit it' when i stood on the statement that Russ would fail when he left here because he cant read defenses.

I was also told to 'quit it' when i said Geno was better than Lock.

And that Geno could be a solid starter.

Its to the point that when i hear it now, im pretty sure i'm on the right track.

 

[Rat]

A good coordinator can 'fix' it this year. Lol. If you dont agree, you havent been paying attention to how John and Mac have been moving.

So much of this isnt even about the QB. We fielded an ineffective offense because our coordinators have been awful.

How many wins is a good coordinator worth?

This year we lost the Giants game because our old coordinator threw the ball 87% of the time against a bad run defense.

Lol.

Thats 1 win and we are in the playoffs.

Glad Mac and John dont see it all as being so hopeless and far away.

So, you don't think we need to make any personnel changes on the OL?

Would be cool if you're right. Some of this stuff has been a problem long enough where I have a more difficult time thinking we can just go "poof" with one hire and it's all fixed. I've been hearing about how awful our coordinators are for as long as I can remember.

 

[ruffENrowdy]

And i was told to 'quit it' when i stood on the statement that Russ would fail when he left here because he cant read defenses.

I was also told to 'quit it' when i said Geno was better than Lock.

And that Geno could be a solid starter.

Its to the point that when i hear it now, im pretty sure i'm on the right track.

To be honest, I legit said the same thing as you about Russ. He changed wayyy to much from his first few years to his last years here. I was happy when they traded him, only because he went himself above the team. It was very, very apparent he turned into a brand, not a qb who put his team first anymore.

We will never know about drew lock man, when he took over for geno in the first game it was very BLAH, but he came back and won against the struggling eagles if I remember correctly. To be honest, I would have liked to see how he finished that season just to see what he could do practicing with the starters for a few weeks.

I was totally on board with the Pete firing, I was done with the same thing every year, missing out on the playoffs or one and done. That's exactly why I'm in the pro get a qb who might change the narrative.

 

[keasley45]

So, you don't think we need to make any personnel changes on the OL?

Would be cool if you're right. Some of this stuff has been a problem long enough where I have a more difficult time thinking we can just go "poof" with one hire and it's all fixed. I've been hearing about how awful our coordinators are for as long as I can remember.

Of course we can upgrade at Guard and we will. But the talk about having no talent and needing an entirely new interior entirely dismisses the role a good coordinator and o line coach can play in improving line play.

The line scheme was backwards, the run / pass ratio didnt help, we ignored the personnel we had and rather forced an ill conceived concept on the unit. The errors were numerous and all resulted in play that was far worse than what the group is actually capable of. I think, injuries aside, we SHOULD have been around middle of the pack... maybe slightly lower. But for that group to have played at bottom 5 levels for more than half a season was as much an indictment on coaching and coordinating as anything else.

 

[Scout]

In my opinion, there are only two questions worth asking here. 1. Does anyone seriously think Geno is going to lead us to a sb, much less win one? Since the answer to that seems to be a resounding NO, even among his defenders, then that begs the second question: Why bother having him on the team then? The opportunity cost is simply too high when we could roll with Howell or some other young stopgap qb for a year, strengthen our oline with the money saved, and assuming we win 5-7 games, we would be in a great position to draft our qbotf in '26 in a strong qb class. Playing Mr. Purgatory serves no useful purpose except kicking the can down the road, putting us in worse draft position with nothing to show for it, and spending money that could be better spent strengthening the team elsewhere.

I wouldn't rule out that possibility. Howell probably is a 1:1 TD/INT ratio QB still but that was with a heavy pass calling scheme so maybe with a more run focused scheme he could cut down on turnovers a bit and be closer to a 2:1 TD/INT ratio QB.

But that requires upgrading the line some more with even more beef and a new OC committed to running the ball and working in play action passing.