Macdonald, crazy question!

[DTiempo81]

I'm learning to just ignore whatever toffee says when he starts out his Drew Lock bit (it was entertaining the first few times he did it. Now it's just...eh)

Funny, I think some people feel that way about your Darnold posts LOL.

 

[oldhawkfan]

That would be insane if he got outplayed by a career backup and a ultra-raw Rookie.

Fortunately, the likelihood of that happening is equal to the Jaguars winning a SuperBowl.

Are you basing your “insane” comment on Darnolds stellar NFL career? In terms of NFL success, sure Darnold is ahead of Lock but it’s not like it’s by a huge margin. Darnold has 83 starts vs 36 for Lock.

 

[LeveeBreak]

Before I get mobbed, let me state that I hope Darnold does well.

The question was a bit too direct imo….its crazy to think he’d lose the starting job based on OTAs.

But, at some point, Darnold losing the starting job is a definite possibility.

Yes, he had an amazing year last year. Why did MN let him go? Why are they going with a guy that’s never played a down in the NFL…who is coming off an injury?

It’s too soon to forget that Darnold has been a career backup for the most part.

Again…I hope he does well. I truly do. But, I won’t be shocked if he doesn’t.

Legit take. Honestly, our best case scenario is Darnold plays great this year and Milroe beats him out for the starting job next year. We'd have trade capital for a QB needy team and a young, inexpensive QB to build the franchise over the next 4+ years.

Not likely but feasible.

 

[toffee]

Legit take. Honestly, our best case scenario is Darnold playes great this year and Milroe beats him out for the starting job next year. We'd have trade capital for a QB needy team and a young, inexpensive QB to build the franchise over the next 4+ years.

Not likely but feasible.

I concur, taking away Viking 2024, both Lock and Darnold's records weren't stellar. With Vikings 2024, Darnold had a breakout year, but didn't deliver in must-win situations towards the end. Lock did not have that breakout year, but when the season was on the line, he won the Eagles game for Pete.

 

[glenwo2]

Funny, I think some people feel that way about your Darnold posts LOL.

You're not wrong.

Just as toffee is very passionate about Drew, I am equally as passionate about Darnold.

The only difference is that I'm not sarcastic.

 

[glenwo2]

Are you basing your “insane” comment on Darnolds stellar NFL career? In terms of NFL success, sure Darnold is ahead of Lock but it’s not like it’s by a huge margin. Darnold has 83 starts vs 36 for Lock.

I'm basing my comment on the fact that Drew's basically been a backup just about his entire career.

He's had a total of 36 starts, sure. But if you look more closely, the only season he had double digit starts was his sophomore year and it was just 13 games.

Other seasons he didn't even start more than 5 games.


Whereas, Darnold's been a starter.

Last season, Darnold got friggin' MVP votes for god's sake.

So yeah. It would be "insane" if he got outplayed by both him and Milroe.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Salk is and always will be an annoying East Coast blowhard. That will never change. Most of what he says is crazy. Coach put him in his place.

 

[Sperrydogg]

You're not wrong.

Just as toffee is very passionate about Drew, I am equally as passionate about Darnold.

The only difference is that I'm not sarcastic.

Is @toffee REALLY passionate about lock or is he playing mind games with John schnauzer to Jedi mind trick him into compliance?

 

[Runscott]

I'm basing my comment on the fact that Drew's basically been a backup just about his entire career.

He's had a total of 36 starts, sure. But if you look more closely, the only season he had double digit starts was his sophomore year and it was just 13 games.

Other seasons he didn't even start more than 5 games.


Whereas, Darnold's been a starter.

Last season, Darnold got friggin' MVP votes for god's sake.

So yeah. It would be "insane" if he got outplayed by both him and Milroe.

Neither of the guys being discussed are 'great' quarterbacks. So we're setting ourselves up for a playoff win or two, if everything goes well. Same situation when we went with Geno. If that's good enough, then okay. The Vikings said it wasn't, and are rolling the dice with McCarthy, who was projected to possibly be a 'great' quarterback. Milroe isn't, so either him or Lock beating out Darnold for the job, is still the Seahawks spinning their wheels. I don't get that mentality unless you feel you have to build up the rest of the team first, before going after a top tier quarterback.

 

[glenwo2]

Is @toffee REALLY passionate about lock or is he playing mind games with John schnauzer to Jedi mind trick him into compliance?

 

[glenwo2]

Neither of the guys being discussed are 'great' quarterbacks. So we're setting ourselves up for a playoff win or two, if everything goes well. Same situation when we went with Geno. If that's good enough, then okay. The Vikings said it wasn't, and are rolling the dice with McCarthy, who was projected to possibly be a 'great' quarterback. Milroe isn't, so either him or Lock beating out Darnold for the job, is still the Seahawks spinning their wheels. I don't get that mentality unless you feel you have to build up the rest of the team first, before going after a top tier quarterback.

I never said Sam was a "great" Quarterback.

He is (and did prove) he can be a very good one last season provided he isn't on a dumpster fire team (which he hasn't been on since Carolina).

Seahawks spinning their wheels?

I'm not really sure what you're going for here.

Are you basically implying that this is already a lost season or something?

 

[Runscott]

I never said Sam was a "great" Quarterback.

He is (and did prove) he can be a very good one last season provided he isn't on a dumpster fire team (which he hasn't been on since Carolina).

Seahawks spinning their wheels?

I'm not really sure what you're going for here.

Are you're basically implying that this is already a lost season or something?

Sorry to confuse you.

 

[SuperSonic67]

Darnold is in a perfect situation and the Seahawks are doing exactly what they should at the QB position. Both things can be true…Sam has an opportunity to establish he’s a franchise QB, if he doesn’t we have a capable QB to step in for the short term in Lock. Milroe, believe it or not, we now have waiting in the wings to step in in year two or three to run a similar offense to, you guessed it, MM’s last stop as DC in Baltimore. This is the plan, and I personally agree with it. MM is in year two as an HC, with a 10 win season in year one. You really think tanking and hoping to draft a QB next year is good for his job security? No. This is the best route to take if you’re looking at it from his perspective as well.

 

[Runscott]

Darnold is in a perfect situation and the Seahawks are doing exactly what they should at the QB position. Both things can be true…Sam has an opportunity to establish he’s a franchise QB, if he doesn’t we have a capable QB to step in for the short term in Lock. Milroe, believe it or not, we now have waiting in the wings to step in in year two or three to run a similar offense to, you guessed it, MM’s last stop as DC in Baltimore. This is the plan, and I personally agree with it. MM is in year two as an HC, with a 10 win season in year one. You really think tanking and hoping to draft a QB next year is good for his job security? No. This is the best route to take if you’re looking at it from his perspective as well.

I like your optimism. I hope Darnold does great and I hope Milroe helps Darnold's situation.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I like your optimism. I hope Darnold does great and I hope Milroe helps Darnold's situation.

Anything will be better than the mariners

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep. They're done, and it's June 7th. Sigh

 

[glenwo2]

Sorry to confuse you.

Okay.

Can you please Un-confuse me then?

 

[therealjohncarlson]

I'm basing my comment on the fact that Drew's basically been a backup just about his entire career.

He's had a total of 36 starts, sure. But if you look more closely, the only season he had double digit starts was his sophomore year and it was just 13 games.

Other seasons he didn't even start more than 5 games.


Whereas, Darnold's been a starter.

Last season, Darnold got friggin' MVP votes for god's sake.

So yeah. It would be "insane" if he got outplayed by both him and Milroe.

Why are we using total starts as a stat for comparing quarterback success? I'm asking this genuinely. Why not use any of the multitude of performance based metric to see who's been better over their career?

 

[glenwo2]

Why are we using total starts as a stat for comparing quarterback success? I'm asking this genuinely. Why not use any of the multitude of performance based metric to see who's been better over their career?

Because a certain "some" have been all over Drew's jock as if he was a Franchise QB or something, and I was just pouring cold water over that nonsense.

But fine, I'll indulge.



Drew Lock :



Sam Darnold :




I don't think I need to say anything more.

The stats speak for themselves.

 

[BASF]

It's true that you never know if a 'great' college quarterback is going to work out. Examples of failures abound, as do examples of lower-round successes. So I get the Seahawks qb mentality. I get it, but you can also fail with high-round non-qb picks, so why not go for a qb when you clearly need one?

The answer is actually the lost pick scenario. If you go with QB and he is not good enough to supplant the starter, he never sees the field (and you don't want him to, because it means your starter is injured). A defensive player, even if not good enough to beat out the starter will almost always play special teams and be part of the rotation for linemen or dime packages for DBs. Offense gets special teams as well, with just offensive linemen only seeing the field for field goals and extra points. So that high round QB that misses is simply holding a clip board. When your GM or owner don't want to make big splashes in free agency, your picks become more valuable than throwing them away.