Macdonald and Schneider at Senior Bowl

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Going against the grain here, I thinks it's extremely foolish to reach on a guard here in the 1st, unless you can tell me that guard is best player available. Our offensive roster is a mess and, frankly, if a GM can't find a starting nfl guard in the 2nd rd or so, he should be evaluated himself
Frankly, I would not expect any OL drafted out of the top 10-15 as any kind of lock to be a starter on Day 1 of his rookie season. This isn't fantasy football. OL often take 1-2 years or even longer to make the front of the depth chart. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't remember it happening every year. But that's why they seldom get drafted that high. The risk/reward odds for immediate impact are higher than QBs most classes.

Now, it does look like there may be a couple of OL that make that grade this year. If so, sure JS should go for it. There aren't really any skill positions on our roster where we need that kind of immediate return on investment.
 

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Other than our O-Line the only mess I can see with our offense is to get our QB questions answered. I am very happy with our RB room and our receivers seems to be a very competitive group. I could be convinced to trade DK and draft a WR to take his place but would prefer to keep him and draft a WR to take Lockette's place. I love Lockett but time stops for no-one.
 

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Going against the grain here, I thinks it's extremely foolish to reach on a guard here in the 1st, unless you can tell me that guard is best player available. Our offensive roster is a mess and, frankly, if a GM can't find a starting nfl guard in the 2nd rd or so, he should be evaluated himself
I agree with this, a team should always draft a blue chip player over need with their 1st round pick if there's one available. I'd rather JS go into FA intending to seriously invest in IOL, if they can somehow land Trey Smith or James Daniels, then they can use their 1st on a guy like Nick Emmanwori, and after that, they can further invest in the OL by taking someone in the 2nd or 3rd. They can still get quality players there.
 

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Other than our O-Line the only mess I can see with our offense is to get our QB questions answered. I am very happy with our RB room and our receivers seems to be a very competitive group. I could be convinced to trade DK and draft a WR to take his place but would prefer to keep him and draft a WR to take Lockette's place. I love Lockett but time stops for no-one.
Yeah, I guess it depends on what the above poster means by a "good chance" Geno is gone next year. IMO the odds of his being here next season is probably closer to 75/25 than 50/50.
 

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Yeah, I guess it depends on what the above poster means by a "good chance" Geno is gone next year. IMO the odds of his being here next season is probably closer to 75/25 than 50/50.
Don't be so sure, I won't be surprised if John Schneider and Mike Macdonald come to .NET for guidance.
 
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A mess? How so?
-we have 2 unspectacular RBs, one mostly because he's not always available
-we have a trash OL, and our best won't be worth the money he'll get elsewhere after his rookie deal
-as much as I like JSN, not sure he's a #1. And our actual #1 feels like he's worn out his welcome. Lockett probably done
- TEs are uninspiring
- and Geno wants a new deal and keeping him doesn't feel like that will speed up the roster retool at other positions, it'll only give us a chance at 8-9 wins.
 

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Hopefully they're taking good notes


Why the hell is podcaster Tim Pool at the Senior Bowl? (Upper right in the pic) And whose gear is he wearing? Is he working on some sort of NFL rigging/steering expose?
 

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A little more time in the pocket isn't going to magically make him some clutch player against good teams and/or in the Red Zone.
Disagree, with reference to the Rams 985 yard pick six that swung the game and caused the L and missed playoffs. Geno was hit as he threw, causing an off-target throw. Yeah, I know it was only a 99 yard or something INT return, just felt like more. 14 point swing against the Hawks on one play.
 

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Disagree, with reference to the Rams 985 yard pick six that swung the game and caused the L and missed playoffs. Geno was hit as he threw, causing an off-target throw. Yeah, I know it was only a 99 yard or something INT return, just felt like more. 14 point swing against the Hawks on one play.
Your next drink on me if you could persuade Soulfish.
 

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Your next drink on me if you could persuade Soulfish.
Near-impossible task, but hey, it's only one play. I could try the approach that Geno still sucks, and even if he threw a TD there, he'd just throw another red zone pick later to give away the game. Still a losing battle. Maybe he'd take a bet that Geno will have a 2:1 or better TD to INT ratio next year?
 

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Disagree, with reference to the Rams 985 yard pick six that swung the game and caused the L and missed playoffs. Geno was hit as he threw, causing an off-target throw. Yeah, I know it was only a 99 yard or something INT return, just felt like more. 14 point swing against the Hawks on one play.
Disagree all you want. His red zone decision making is just plain bad.
 

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Near-impossible task, but hey, it's only one play. I could try the approach that Geno still sucks, and even if he threw a TD there, he'd just throw another red zone pick later to give away the game. Still a losing battle. Maybe he'd take a bet that Geno will have a 2:1 or better TD to INT ratio next year?

Disagree all you want. His red zone decision making is just plain bad.

You are correct @olyfan63
 

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Nothing will change. We will draft a guard or a DL at 18, we won't do anything about drafting a premier qb prospect, again, we will win 8-10 games and miss the playoffs or maybe get in and get bounced, then we will pick in the bottom half of the 1st in '26, when we desperately need our qbotf. And then we will watch teams play in the sb that have young, mobile qb's like we used to have. Wash, rinse, repeat, year after freaking year.

But yeah, let's re-invent the wheel and go with a 35 yr old pocket qb with almost as many int's as td's, and not do what worked before. It's working out superbly for us.

Carry on.
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Disagree all you want. His red zone decision making is just plain bad.

If thats the case, WHY DID HE HAVE A 33:2 TD TO INT RATIO BEFORE GRUBB?

Answer: because he was in a college offense that didnt have a solution for NFL defenses in the redzone and forced throws to try to make something happen - which was the wrong thing to do, but was in large part why the OC was fired.

He should have just thrown the ball out of the back of the endzone everytime and let the loss fall squarely on Grubb. But then you'd have detractors claiming there were wr's wide open everywhere and he just didnt see them.
 

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If thats the case, WHY DID HE HAVE A 33:2 TD TO INT RATIO BEFORE GRUBB?

Answer: because he was in a college offense that didnt have a solution for NFL defenses in the redzone and forced throws to try to make something happen - which was the wrong thing to do, but was in large part why the OC was fired.

He should have just thrown the ball out of the back of the endzone everytime and let the loss fall squarely on Grubb. But then you'd have detractors claiming there were wr's wide open everywhere and he just didnt see them.
It's no use. We could win the next Superbowl with Geno and these chuckleheads would complain that since we didn't win 43-8 that GENO SUCKS!
 

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Nothing will change. We will draft a guard or a DL at 18, we won't do anything about drafting a premier qb prospect, again, we will win 8-10 games and miss the playoffs or maybe get in and get bounced, then we will pick in the bottom half of the 1st in '26, when we desperately need our qbotf. And then we will watch teams play in the sb that have young, mobile qb's like we used to have. Wash, rinse, repeat, year after freaking year.

But yeah, let's re-invent the wheel and go with a 35 yr old pocket qb with almost as many int's as td's, and not do what worked before. It's working out superbly for us.

Carry on.
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there are no premiere QB prospects in this draft. None. Last year was the year to take a QB. We were ready to take Penix and got swooped.
 

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Don't nearly all quarterbacks have an excellent TD to INT ratio close to the end zone? Hass' was downright studly. INTs just don't happen at a huge rate down there. BTW don't look into examples from the past ten years, or in particular, exactly ten years ago. That would just be... boring.

I never understand why we always assume every pass that doesn't end in an INT was well-thrown. Well, I do, but it's dishonest. I remember being annoyed during the Lions game with some of the bad passes being thrown badly out the back of end zone. Having to kick those FGs made it tougher to keep up in a shootout. Was that final result 100% Geno's fault? No. We would have stood a better chance at what could have been a truly defining team victory if he had played better in the red zone though.
 

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