Leonard Williams’ Deal Reworked

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Lowered 2025 cap from 29m to 14m.

I think Lockett's hit can be reduced significantly...it would be a win-win for both parties IMO. (31m, 14m dead)
Possibility Geno converts similar to Williams. (44.5 m, 21m dead)
DK either reworked or traded. (32m, 21m dead) (save the flame, not saying we should or shouldn't...just sayin')
Jones (25m, 14m dead) and Nwosu (21m, 13m dead) are likely cut or traded.
N. Fant (13.5m, 4.5m dead) will be cut if they cannot rework the deal. I'd like to see him stay if they can get it done)
G. Fant (5.3m, 1.8m dead) I assume will be cut.

 
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Opening options up to make some moves this free agency.

Don’t think Seattle is in the running for Myles Garrett but plenty of other moves will be made I’m sure.

Alright, Mac and JS, balls in your court.

Let’s see how this plays out!
 

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Opening options up to make some moves this free agency.

Don’t think Seattle is in the running for Myles Garrett but plenty of other moves will be made I’m sure.

Alright, Mac and JS, balls in your court.

Let’s see how this plays out!
Some obvious moves are cutting Lockett, Dre Jones, both Fants, Rayshawn Jenkins. Cutting or restructuring Nwosu. Trade or extend Geno or DK. That's just some of the major ones which from where we were at before this deal projected us to free up over $60-90 million roughly. Now add this on top of it.
 

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Lowered 2025 cap from 29m to 14m.

I think Lockett's hit can be reduced significantly...it would be a win-win for both parties IMO. (31m, 14m dead)
Possibility Geno converts similar to Williams. (44.5 m, 21m dead)
DK either reworked or traded. (32m, 21m dead) (save the flame, not saying we should or shouldn't...just sayin')
Jones (25m, 14m dead) and Nwosu (21m, 13m dead) are likely cut or traded.
N. Fant (13.5m, 4.5m dead) will be cut if they cannot rework the deal. I'd like to see him stay if they can get it done)
G. Fant (5.3m, 1.8m dead) I assume will be cut.

You would have to completely re-do Tyler's contract. You can't restructure it.
 
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You would have to completely re-do Tyler's contract. You can't restructure it.
Whatever it takes. Lockett knows his value to the this team and others is a possession WR3 (Bobby Engram type player). They do not demand top $$. Lockett has roots here now and should be open to the idea. Like I said, there is a win-win scenario to be had if they do right by each other.
 

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Whatever it takes. Lockett knows his value to the this team and others is a possession WR3 (Bobby Engram type player). They do not demand top $$. Lockett has roots here now and should be open to the idea. Like I said, there is a win-win scenario to be had if they do right by each other.

I know it's a win-win. It's just not very likely.
 

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I could be wrong, but reworking Williams deal saved saved us 14M towards the cap, but that still leaves us underwater at -14M. Will probably have to make 40- 50M in cuts just to sign our own FA's, have a draft and be competitive in free agency. No one is safe. I think it would save 4M to cut Myers and draft a rookie kicker.
 

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What's Ernest Jones market value? I hope we can re sign him.
He's probably going to get something like $10-15M a year. We can re-sign him and unless there is a different name that Macdonald sees as a better fit in that spot (and I can't imagine who that'd be right now), I assume we'll probably do it outside of Jones agent demanding like, Fred Warner money which I don't think he can command yet.


I could be wrong, but reworking Williams deal saved saved us 14M towards the cap, but that still leaves us underwater at -14M. Will probably have to make 40- 50M in cuts just to sign our own FA's, have a draft and be competitive in free agency. No one is safe. I think it would save 4M to cut Myers and draft a rookie kicker.
As Wsumatt pointed out, we have a number of predictable cuts that are going to free up all that space. George Fant, Dre'mont Jones, and probably Tyler are all going to be cut. (Tyler will only still be here with a significantly re-worked contract).

That's $32M right there in cuts we fully expect. This is before we work out what to do with Geno, DK, Nwosu, and Noah Fant, which is going to net us another $30M-ish (I assume extensions for Geno and DK, restructure for Nwosu, and I'm on the fence with Fant, but I could see trades and cuts here, too).

This puts us back in the top half in cap space with no really difficult decisions personnel-wise. Then we can save any other cuts or tough choices for if we are able to land an impact FA/trade.

Our cap situation is really not that bad, since we don't really have any dead money on the books right now.
 

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Whatever it takes. Lockett knows his value to the this team and others is a possession WR3 (Bobby Engram type player). They do not demand top $$. Lockett has roots here now and should be open to the idea. Like I said, there is a win-win scenario to be had if they do right by each other.

Part of a great career is knowing when to call it quits. Lockett has had a long and productive career with us. Why tarnish that by having him play as a shell of himself and dragging this thing on? I love Tyler and what he's done for the team but it's likely time to move on.
 

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He's probably going to get something like $10-15M a year. We can re-sign him and unless there is a different name that Macdonald sees as a better fit in that spot (and I can't imagine who that'd be right now), I assume we'll probably do it outside of Jones agent demanding like, Fred Warner money which I don't think he can command yet.



As Wsumatt pointed out, we have a number of predictable cuts that are going to free up all that space. George Fant, Dre'mont Jones, and probably Tyler are all going to be cut. (Tyler will only still be here with a significantly re-worked contract).

That's $32M right there in cuts we fully expect. This is before we work out what to do with Geno, DK, Nwosu, and Noah Fant, which is going to net us another $30M-ish (I assume extensions for Geno and DK, restructure for Nwosu, and I'm on the fence with Fant, but I could see trades and cuts here, too).

This puts us back in the top half in cap space with no really difficult decisions personnel-wise. Then we can save any other cuts or tough choices for if we are able to land an impact FA/trade.

Our cap situation is really not that bad, since we don't really have any dead money on the books right now.
Thanks for the info DV23, much appreciated. JS really has no excuse to not fix this offensive line using both free agency and the draft and to not cheap-out. No excuses about having young projects that could take the next step up and holding on to future potential.
Bring in some solid prospects and spend the resources to do it.
 

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Thanks for the info DV23, much appreciated. JS really has no excuse to not fix this offensive line using both free agency and the draft and to not cheap-out. No excuses about having young projects that could take the next step up and holding on to future potential.
Bring in some solid prospects and spend the resources to do it.
Yeah, we took our medicine last year and just ate all of the Adams/Diggs money, so we don't have any real money tied up in players who aren't currently on our roster right now (and thus, free to make adjustments with).

As for the O-Line, I agree which is why I'm personally out on the idea of getting Garrett (I'm not sure Cleveland can afford to trade him anyway). Yes, we got a lot of young guys who *hopefully* a coherent structure (which is what Kubiak and Benton are going to be brining with them) will allow them to take that next step... but that doesn't mean you can't bring in a LEGIT talent to fill in that LG spot while we use the young guys at C/RG.

Bring in Trey Smith or Mekhi Becton to be the dude you kind of/sort of hoped Laken Tomlinson would be.

This Leonard Williams move signals we want to be a contender next year and we all know what our weakness is so let's be serious about fixing it.
 

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Yeah, we took our medicine last year and just ate all of the Adams/Diggs money, so we don't have any real money tied up in players who aren't currently on our roster right now (and thus, free to make adjustments with).

As for the O-Line, I agree which is why I'm personally out on the idea of getting Garrett (I'm not sure Cleveland can afford to trade him anyway). Yes, we got a lot of young guys who *hopefully* a coherent structure (which is what Kubiak and Benton are going to be brining with them) will allow them to take that next step... but that doesn't mean you can't bring in a LEGIT talent to fill in that LG spot while we use the young guys at C/RG.

Bring in Trey Smith or Mekhi Becton to be the dude you kind of/sort of hoped Laken Tomlinson would be.

This Leonard Williams move signals we want to be a contender next year and we all know what our weakness is so let's be serious about fixing it.
If we draft OL high, it doesn't mean they are automatic starters IMO. What it does do is push the young guys we already have to work harder to win the spot. More competition is good.
 

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https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/sea...geno-smith-tyler-lockett-dk-metcalf-noah-fant

All these moves are reasonable. If you can't find a good trade for DK then I'm ok with extending him. If Geno truly does want to get paid $50M/yr then I'm all for trading him to PC, otherwise I'd prefer to keep him for a reasonable contract. The article doesn't address the Dre'Mont contract which does need to be reworked.
The nice thing too is there's another 4-5 easy moves on top of that including Dre'mont Jones. We will have a lot of cap room for next year. and still have our core in tact. It's not as dire as people think once you break it down.
 

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Tomlinson (32) and Forsythe (27) are both FA's and neither are must keeps. Sorry but the group of Haynes, Sunderland, Laumea and Jerrell don't scream soon to be a top 10 line to me.
Additions need to be made and this seems like a good O-line draft class.
With Lucas' injuries and so many OT's in this draft class a swing tackle should be drafted in round 3 or 4 and use a 1st or 2nd on an OG.
Also add the best FA offensive lineman we can afford that is OKed by the new coaching staff.
Let them all battle it out in camp and let it sort itself out.
This can't be about John saving $ on the O-line anymore.
 

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