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Yeah.

Roland, 100% no red colored glasses on this, but I too always assumed his "nothing" meant nothing objectionable, not nothing at all.

It's why upthread when we thought it was the n-word I forwarded the idea that one possible explanation for Houston siding with Kap is that like Kap (and Sherman) Houston just objects to the penalization of the term to begin with.

From the clip it looks like that was all off base to begin with, but throughout this thread I've always assumed the "nothing" meant nothing flag worthy, not nothing at all. That both Kap and Houston would claim that nothing was said at all would be super bizarre.
 

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Can someone just forward the video on to Derrick Coleman so we can get this sorted out? He reads lips.
 

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What you should learn is to say things that are accurate when discussing some sort of fact-based situation such as this. A lawyer would tear you apart in a court of law over how you phrased it.

Marvin49":1dxq793c said:
the player he was talking to said he didn't say it
What is "it"? As far as I know, it's not public information - and I want a link showing that this other player said that, specifically. What you are claiming suggests that the other player said Kaepernick didn't say something specific in question, such as a derogatory term, or what have you. That's rather different from if he's claiming, say, that he didn't hear anything - or that he heard something and couldn't make out what. They point to different things. Your response reads like "AIN'T NOBODY SAID NOTHIN'", while holding a baseball bat and trying to being intimidating. :lol:
 

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I find all of this amusing. Ref won't throw a flag for an f-bomb. Either the player said a word that's on the no-no list or he misheard it.

Marvin has proven time and time again that without indisputable evidence, he will go down swinging.

He got fined, an appeal was filed, oh well. The story for me is, how has TMZ not paid a lip reader $50 to end the debate?
 

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RolandDeschain":2ei5xt4c said:
What you should learn is to say things that are accurate when discussing some sort of fact-based situation such as this. A lawyer would tear you apart in a court of law over how you phrased it.

Marvin49":2ei5xt4c said:
the player he was talking to said he didn't say it
What is "it"? As far as I know, it's not public information - and I want a link showing that this other player said that, specifically. What you are claiming suggests that the other player said Kaepernick didn't say something specific in question, such as a derogatory term, or what have you. That's rather different from if he's claiming, say, that he didn't hear anything - or that he heard something and couldn't make out what. They point to different things. Your response reads like "AIN'T NOBODY SAID NOTHIN'", while holding a baseball bat and trying to being intimidating. :lol:

oi.

Thank You for making my point. I'm not drafting legal arguments here.

I actually usually do spend time posting here but I know most often I will be misconstrued, seen out of context, or flat lied about when someone uses a straw man argument.

That's one of the reasons my posts are usually so long. I usually already know what the response is going to be and I've leaned that I'll sometimes be told I'm spinning the story EVEN WHEN I AGREE. LOL.

Again tho....you are still simply parsing my words looking for something to jump on just as many in here do. That's fine. I'm used to it.

Just don't expect me to get all upset or concerned about being accused of spinning a story when thats EXACTLY what peeps do here every single time a 49er story is in the news. They just spin it to the worst possible case. When I say something contrary to that opinion....even when its damn near middle of the road on the topic, I'M the homer accused of spinning.

Want an example of that?

Ray McDonald again.

I've maintained from the very beginning that I don't know he if he did it or not and if he did I want him gone. Period. That's it. I just want to see him charged and see the police report. (which have both not happened)

I have an opinion on his guilt which I've said many times has no evidence other than it would explain the 49ers actions. Its a guess and I've never maintained it was any more than that.

The majority of this forum though has already made up their minds that he's guilty, he should fry, the 49ers and SC DA are corrupt and shoving it under the rug, and that the victim and 100+ people there will all fall in line and lie about it to get the player off. He was arrested, therefore he's guilty.


Just take a step back for a second, remove team allegiances and tell me which one of those two things is spinning?
 

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Laloosh":38dkr7fu said:
I find all of this amusing. Ref won't throw a flag for an f-bomb. Either the player said a word that's on the no-no list or he misheard it.

Marvin has proven time and time again that without indisputable evidence, he will go down swinging.

He got fined, an appeal was filed, oh well. The story for me is, how has TMZ not paid a lip reader $50 to end the debate?

LOL. Probably true...but in this case the evidence seems to go the other way. The only thing I can possibly see is if the slur came BEFORE "back the (CAN'T USE THAT WORD, PARTIAL, MASKED OR IN ANY OTHER FORM ) up"....but his facemask covers his mouth there.
 

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^^^ Didn't consider that.

Whatever it is Houston was right next to him and he was looking right at Houston when he said whatever he said so either the ref misheard or Houston is conspiring with him for some reason.

I came up with the only reason why I can imagine that Houston might conspire with him if it was the n-word, but if it was the f-word I don't know why Houston would do that.

I guess we could also hypothesize that Kaepernick said it under his breath so that the ref heard it but Houston didn't (the ref was between them), but from the clip whatever he said pretty clearly wasn't under his breath.
 

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Popeyejones":x4xxpl0c said:
It's why upthread when we thought it was the n-word I forwarded the idea that one possible explanation for Houston siding with Kap is that like Kap (and Sherman) Houston just objects to the penalization of the term to begin with.

Have you ever heard of snitching?

Houston said he "didn't hear anything." Based on the video of Kaepernick mouthing his penalized words, Houston was close enough to Kaepernick to identify exactly what was said, which would end all the discussion. Instead, he has chosen not to do that by saying he didn't hear what was said.

The NFL clearly disagrees that Kaepernick said nothing and has chosen to fine him for using prohibited language.
 

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Marvin49":27yohffi said:
Want an example of that?

Ray McDonald again.

I've maintained from the very beginning that I don't know he if he did it or not and if he did I want him gone. Period. That's it. I just want to see him charged and see the police report. (which have both not happened)

I have an opinion on his guilt which I've said many times has no evidence other than it would explain the 49ers actions. Its a guess and I've never maintained it was any more than that.

The majority of this forum though has already made up their minds that he's guilty, he should fry, the 49ers and SC DA are corrupt and shoving it under the rug, and that the victim and 100+ people there will all fall in line and lie about it to get the player off. He was arrested, therefore he's guilty.

Just take a step back for a second, remove team allegiances and tell me which one of those two things is spinning?

It seems Marvin has spun so far out of control with his delusions that he is now totally incapable of identifying them.

You have an "opinion" that Ray McDonald did not commit domestic violence against his pregnant girlfriend because it would explain the 49ers actions.

You assume the 49ers can do no wrong because you are a fan. Therefore, if the 49ers decide to play McDonald, rather than deactivate him as Minnesota has done with Adrian Peterson, it means McDonald is innocent of this crime.

Can you comprehend how breathtakingly circular your reasoning is?

What if the 49ers are merely hiding behind due process so that McDonald can play out the entire season without penalty? They're doing the exact same thing with Chris Culliver. They also played Aldon Smith days after he smashed his car into a tree with a BAC that was twice the legal limit. There is a pattern here, and it has nothing to do with player innocence.

To date, there has been no evidence that would tend to show McDonald is innocent. The players who were there have said they didn't see anything, but of course that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We have a report indicating McDonad's fiancee told police that McDonald hit her and tried to physically pull her from the house at 2 AM. We also have the physical indicia of violence in the form of visible bruising on the alleged victim's neck and arms.

No one is saying McDonald has been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. What we are saying is employers should suspend employees with pay pending the results of an investigation into domestic violence out of respect for the alleged victim and women everywhere. The Vikings have done that with Peterson, sending a message that they will not play someone accused of child abuse.

Meanwhile, the 49ers' own moral compass has failed them miserably as they continually disrespect victims of domestic violence by playing McDonald. Steve Young has said this is the wrong thing to do. Politicians like Gavin Newsome and Nancy Pelosi, who are 49er fans, have each encouraged the 49ers to deactivate McDonald pending the results of this investigation.

Yet Harbaugh, Baalke, the York family, and the entire 49ers organization have kept their heads planted firmly in the ground, like the proverbial ostrich, waiting for the season to play out so they can benefit from their intentional ignorance under the guise of submitting to "due process."
 

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hawknation2014":3awsnrw7 said:
Marvin49":3awsnrw7 said:
Want an example of that?

Ray McDonald again.

I've maintained from the very beginning that I don't know he if he did it or not and if he did I want him gone. Period. That's it. I just want to see him charged and see the police report. (which have both not happened)

I have an opinion on his guilt which I've said many times has no evidence other than it would explain the 49ers actions. Its a guess and I've never maintained it was any more than that.

The majority of this forum though has already made up their minds that he's guilty, he should fry, the 49ers and SC DA are corrupt and shoving it under the rug, and that the victim and 100+ people there will all fall in line and lie about it to get the player off. He was arrested, therefore he's guilty.

Just take a step back for a second, remove team allegiances and tell me which one of those two things is spinning?

It seems Marvin has spun so far out of control with his delusions that he is now totally incapable of identifying them.

You have an "opinion" that Ray McDonald did not commit domestic violence against his pregnant girlfriend because it would explain the 49ers actions.

You assume the 49ers can do no wrong because you are a fan. Therefore, if the 49ers decide to play McDonald, rather than deactivate him as Minnesota has done with Adrian Peterson, it means McDonald is innocent of this crime.

Can you comprehend how breathtakingly circular your reasoning is?

What if the 49ers are merely hiding behind due process so that McDonald can play out the entire season without penalty? They're doing the exact same thing with Chris Culliver. They also played Aldon Smith days after he smashed his car into a tree with a BAC that was twice the legal limit. There is a pattern here, and it has nothing to do with player innocence.

To date, there has been no evidence that would tend to show McDonald is innocent. The players who were there have said they didn't see anything, but of course that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We have a report indicating McDonad's fiancee told police that McDonald hit her and tried to physically pull her from the house at 2 AM. We also have the physical indicia of violence in the form of visible bruising on the alleged victim's neck and arms.

No one is saying McDonald has been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. What we are saying is employers should suspend employees with pay pending the results of an investigation into domestic violence out of respect for the alleged victim and women everywhere. The Vikings have done that with Peterson, sending a message that they will not play someone accused of child abuse.

Meanwhile, the 49ers' own moral compass has failed them miserably as they continually disrespect victims of domestic violence by playing McDonald. Steve Young has said this is the wrong thing to do. Politicians like Gavin Newsome and Nancy Pelosi, who are 49er fans, have each encouraged the 49ers to deactivate McDonald pending the results of this investigation.

Yet Harbaugh, Baalke, the York family, and the entire 49ers organization have kept their heads planted firmly in the ground, like the proverbial ostrich, waiting for the season to play out so they can benefit from their intentional ignorance under the guise of submitting to "due process."

This is just more example of what I'm talking about. You've already decided. Lets go over this...

"You assume the 49ers can do no wrong because you are a fan. Therefore, if the 49ers decide to play McDonald, rather than deactivate him as Minnesota has done with Adrian Peterson, it means McDonald is innocent of this crime."

That quote simply tells me that you fundamentally don't understand my point. That is my OPINION not because I think they can do no evil (or because "I'm a fan"), but because the repercussions of CONTINUING to stand in the face of public pressure right now risks EXTRAORDINARY criticism if they are wrong. Make no mistake...if they ARE wrong, that criticism is justified. This is the biggest issue the NFL has faced in a long, long time. If they are backing him and it turns out he's guilty...wow. Bad, bad, BAD mojo.

Quite simply, I don't think they are that STUPID. I could also be wrong which I've stated in the past because this is not really even evidence. Its my OPINION. The facts of the case so far are that he she had "visible injures" and "light bruising". That's it. Nothing else.

"To date, there has been no evidence that would tend to show McDonald is innocent. The players who were there have said they didn't see anything, but of course that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We have a report indicating McDonad's fiancee told police that McDonald hit her and tried to physically pull her from the house at 2 AM. We also have the physical indicia of violence in the form of visible bruising on the alleged victim's neck and arms."

Is that how it works? We have to find evidence to prove innocence? More accurately, you have to find evidence to prove something DIDN'T happen? You realize of course its really impossible to prove a negative, right? Everything you have posted there as "facts" are not official facts. Every one of them is a rumor. I've heard several as well...should we enter those in as "facts"? Ya know what eld WAS a fact? Richard Sherman used PEDs. Colin Kaepernick raped a girl. All of these were unsubstantiated "facts". All the Police have said was "visible injury" and "light bruising". That's it. NOTHING else. Everything else is hearsay. Clearly, the Niners believe McDonalds version of the events because THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY TOLD IAN RAPAPORT AND PETER KING. They also said if he's lying they'll cut him.

"No one is saying McDonald has been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. What we are saying is employers should suspend employees with pay pending the results of an investigation into domestic violence out of respect for the alleged victim and women everywhere. The Vikings have done that with Peterson, sending a message that they will not play someone accused of child abuse."

Oh that's rich....the VIKINGS are the example here? The team that has known about this for MONTHS, didn't suspend him till the media got it, then tried to reinstate him before a social outcry forced them to do something else. THAT'S the organization you are holding up there? Really? The 49ers, right or wrong have stood up for their guy and have not bent to public pressure. They will live or die on that stance.

As for Guilty Beyond a Reasonable doubt...I'm not even saying anything close to that. We are nowhere NEAR that. I would just like to see a freakin' Police report and his CHARGED with a damn crime. For every other person we are talking about there is a report, a video, a conviction (on appeal) or whatever else. I can't stress this enough...WE HASN'T EVEN BEEN CHARGED. We aren't talking about conviction....HE HASN'T BEEN CHARGED. LOL. ENOUGH if the false equivalence.

Meanwhile, the 49ers' own moral compass has failed them miserably as they continually disrespect victims of domestic violence by playing McDonald. Steve Young has said this is the wrong thing to do. Politicians like Gavin Newsome and Nancy Pelosi, who are 49er fans, have each encouraged the 49ers to deactivate McDonald pending the results of this investigation.

Yet Harbaugh, Baalke, the York family, and the entire 49ers organization have kept their heads planted firmly in the ground, like the proverbial ostrich, waiting for the season to play out so they can benefit from their intentional ignorance under the guise of submitting to "due process".

Yup...they are just the a-holes who don't care about women or children and are just sitting there in their bunker ignoring the world because they think they can do whatever they want. Yup...I'm sure that makes perfect sense to a Seahawk fan. Or....maybe, just maybe....they have a freakin' clue what they are doing. I know its utter madness to suggest they aren't evil incarnate, but perhaps they actually have brains and know more about what's happening. I know...pure madness. right?

BTW, Steve Young backtracked on KNBR (I'll find the Podcast if you want it) and said he was really emotional about the entire issue, not McDonald specifically. I disagree with Pelosi, but she's trying to get re-elected and Gavin Newsome is flat slime. One of the biggest opponents of the 49ers move to SC (he was mayor of SF) and he waited til the day the new stadium was opening to make his comments. Coincidence? I think not. Still...they (and Jerry Rice said something similar today) have a right to their opinion...and just like the rest of us, they don't know as much about this situation as the Niners do. Its easy to sit on high with no facts and pass moral judgments on everyone else, but SMART people actually wait to see what actually happened and not fill in the gaps on our own.



I've said from the beginning I wouldn't have had an issue with the Niners sitting him. I just don't think its as cut and dry as you are all making it and I think the Niners know something. That's my opinion and you've offered NOTHING strong enough to change it. Ya know why? Its because the facts of the case are what would change it. Plain and simple. I'm not talking about a conviction. All I want is a freakin' police report and the police charging him with a crime to change my mind. That's it. That really isn't asking for much.
 

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SoulfishHawk":3tnfl127 said:
Kraspsonhisowndick could stab someone, and Marvin would make an excuse for him. :roll:

...wait....you said he stabbed someone....I guess by .net logic that means he's guilty. Oh crap....is he suspended yet or are we just passing judgment because he's not suspended yet? I can never keep track.
 

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Laloosh":jgtmipsk said:
Lol, angry Marvin is angry.

Lol. Not really. Just wondering right now why there wasn't a higher demand on Devin Hester. :D
 

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Marvin49":aa112k7l said:
Laloosh":aa112k7l said:
Lol, angry Marvin is angry.

Lol. Not really. Just wondering right now why there wasn't a higher demand on Devin Hester. :D

No kidding! Wonder what they paid him...
 

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Have to agree. What did they pay him? Watching it and in the chat too.
 
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