John Clayton says Browner could win his appeal

[MontanaHawk05]

The NFL is in a crappy spot now. They'll suffer in the PR department even if Browner loses his appeal.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

The NFL is in a crappy spot now. They'll suffer in the PR department even if Browner loses his appeal.

Good. They are cruising for a bruising and I for one want to see blood at the very least. They need to stop the witch hunt on the Seahawks now. It's getting old and ridiculous.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

The NFL is in a crappy spot now. They'll suffer in the PR department even if Browner loses his appeal.

Good. They are cruising for a bruising and I for one want to see blood at the very least.

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[gargantual]

The NFL is in a crappy spot now. They'll suffer in the PR department even if Browner loses his appeal.

Good. They are cruising for a bruising and I for one want to see blood at the very least.

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.....me three...

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

The NFL is in a crappy spot now. They'll suffer in the PR department even if Browner loses his appeal.

Good. They are cruising for a bruising and I for one want to see blood at the very least.

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.....me three...

Four. Eff Rog.

 

[mikeak]

@_BVM has some very interesting tweets regarding BB's situation and here is an article from Jason La Canfora: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jas ... suspension

Great read. Based in that he wins and I don't think it opens up a big issue. Seriously how many players are in this situation. Probably not many and surely not a lot of starters that can show real impact like BB

 

[JDSeahawks]

Wow, here's some more weirdness, article just released. Apparently Browner was under suspension when he signed in Seattle in 2011, but the NFL didn't catch it and approved his contract? This also makes the NFL look bad...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... h-seattle/

 

[Blitzer88]

Wow, here's some more weirdness, article just released. Apparently Browner was under suspension when he signed in Seattle in 2011, but the NFL didn't catch it and approved his contract? This also makes the NFL look bad...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... h-seattle/

Wow..........just smh at this point.

 

[drdiags]

For the league, this just shows incompetence in how the system is managed. From this incident questions arise about how one is promoted through the drug testing stages and whether they need to revisit them and clean up the process. For Browner however the tragedy is that whether he thought he was still in stage 1 or stage X, after 200 clean tests since 2011 how could he allow himself to slip?

The League may re-evaluate the suspension but then again they probably will not. Even if they do, Browner cost himself and his family an opportunity to create a comfortable future for them all. I am hoping for the best for him because we all make mistakes but I don't see this coming out roses for his career. He helped turn around the soft image Seattle had as a team, for that I am thankful.

 

[Uncle Si]

So if I'm reading all this right he may not incur any suspension? at the very most 4 games? (which would cover his injury?)

If he had two years of clean tests shouldnt he have been out of the "program"? and if he's out of it, and gets hit again, isnt it back to stage 1 (which isnt a suspension at all?)

Ive pretty much resigned myself to thinking he's done. I just find all this really interesting.

 

[12thManHawkFan]

Did I read this correct, he didn't even fail an exam...the NFL is trying to suspend him, for an entire year, for missing test when he was out of the league for 5 years???

 

[twisted_steel2]

Did I read this correct, he didn't even fail an exam...the NFL is trying to suspend him, for an entire year, for missing test when he was out of the league for 5 years???

This whole thing is so confusing, what a mess.

The way I take it is, they kept failing him because he didn't show up for his random tests..... because he was up in Canada playing in the CFL? Is that correct?

WTF :34853_doh:

 

[dontbelikethat]

Did I read this correct, he didn't even fail an exam...the NFL is trying to suspend him, for an entire year, for missing test when he was out of the league for 5 years???

He did fail his most recent exam, so even if he wins his appeal, I think there still should be a 4 game suspension for his exam fail, but it's not that big a deal since he's injured anyways. What they're trying to argue is that he possibly voluntarily joined the substance abuse program which places him in stage 1 (normally you have to fail your 1st test to join), then when he was in the CFL, he missed multiple test due to being in the CFL which bumped him to stage 3. Now being in stage 3 and back in the NFL, he failed his most recent test and when you're in stage 3 and fail a test, the punishment is a 1 year suspension. This is my understanding. He is still at fault since he's passed 200 test since he was back in the NFL prior to this, so he knows he's being tested constantly, but hopefully he is able to fight and reduce the sentencing.

 

[Polaris]

Did I read this correct, he didn't even fail an exam...the NFL is trying to suspend him, for an entire year, for missing test when he was out of the league for 5 years???

This whole thing is so confusing, what a mess.

The way I take it is, they kept failing him because he didn't show up for his random tests..... because he was up in Canada playing in the CFL? Is that correct?

WTF :34853_doh:

:sarcasm_on: BLAME CANADA! :lol: :sarcasm_off:

 

[Polaris]

Did I read this correct, he didn't even fail an exam...the NFL is trying to suspend him, for an entire year, for missing test when he was out of the league for 5 years???

He did fail his most recent exam, so even if he wins his appeal, I think there still should be a 4 game suspension for his exam fail, but it's not that big a deal since he's injured anyways. What they're trying to argue is that he possibly voluntarily joined the substance abuse program which places him in stage 1 (normally you have to fail your 1st test to join), then when he was in the CFL, he missed multiple test due to being in the CFL which bumped him to stage 3. Now being in stage 3 and back in the NFL, he failed his most recent test and when you're in stage 3 and fail a test, the punishment is a 1 year suspension. This is my understanding. He is still at fault since he's passed 200 test since he was back in the NFL prior to this, so he knows he's being tested constantly, but hopefully he is able to fight and reduce the sentencing.

Except if he was wrongfully advanced to stage three, the 200+ test he passed over two years should have taken him off the program entirely. In which case, he should be stage one.

 

[dontbelikethat]

Did I read this correct, he didn't even fail an exam...the NFL is trying to suspend him, for an entire year, for missing test when he was out of the league for 5 years???

He did fail his most recent exam, so even if he wins his appeal, I think there still should be a 4 game suspension for his exam fail, but it's not that big a deal since he's injured anyways. What they're trying to argue is that he possibly voluntarily joined the substance abuse program which places him in stage 1 (normally you have to fail your 1st test to join), then when he was in the CFL, he missed multiple test due to being in the CFL which bumped him to stage 3. Now being in stage 3 and back in the NFL, he failed his most recent test and when you're in stage 3 and fail a test, the punishment is a 1 year suspension. This is my understanding. He is still at fault since he's passed 200 test since he was back in the NFL prior to this, so he knows he's being tested constantly, but hopefully he is able to fight and reduce the sentencing.

Except if he was wrongfully advanced to stage three, the 200+ test he passed over two years should have taken him off the program entirely. In which case, he should be stage one.

Well we don't know all the facts and what he's exactly arguing (or the whether indeed possibly voluntarily joined the substance abuse program or just failed and joined it) to have a definitive answer. I'm also not familiar with the policy to be reverted into other stages of the program. Again, don't know all the facts, but I forget whether it's if you fail twice, then you're suspended, or is it after you join the program and fail twice then you're suspended.

 

[Polaris]

Did I read this correct, he didn't even fail an exam...the NFL is trying to suspend him, for an entire year, for missing test when he was out of the league for 5 years???

He did fail his most recent exam, so even if he wins his appeal, I think there still should be a 4 game suspension for his exam fail, but it's not that big a deal since he's injured anyways. What they're trying to argue is that he possibly voluntarily joined the substance abuse program which places him in stage 1 (normally you have to fail your 1st test to join), then when he was in the CFL, he missed multiple test due to being in the CFL which bumped him to stage 3. Now being in stage 3 and back in the NFL, he failed his most recent test and when you're in stage 3 and fail a test, the punishment is a 1 year suspension. This is my understanding. He is still at fault since he's passed 200 test since he was back in the NFL prior to this, so he knows he's being tested constantly, but hopefully he is able to fight and reduce the sentencing.

Except if he was wrongfully advanced to stage three, the 200+ test he passed over two years should have taken him off the program entirely. In which case, he should be stage one.

Well we don't know all the facts and what he's exactly arguing (or the whether indeed possibly voluntarily joined the substance abuse program or just failed and joined it) to have a definitive answer. I'm also not familiar with the policy to be reverted into other stages of the program. Again, don't know all the facts, but I forget whether it's if you fail twice, then you're suspended, or is it after you join the program and fail twice then you're suspended.

I don't know all (or even most) of the details of this case, but you only get suspended if you fail twice after you join the problem. Before that, you make involuntary donations to NFL Charities. There are a variety of ways to get on the program only one of which is a failed test.

 

[dontbelikethat]

Well we all know that he's definitely in stage 1 of the program at the least, don't know whether he voluntarily or was forced in due to positive test or medical recommendation/behavior after getting caught for misuse. NFL substance abuse policy list 3 ways (voluntarily, positive test, or noticeable behavior of substance abuse after being arrested,etc. and judged by medical recommendation) to enter the program. His whole case pretty much depends on how lenient and empathetic the NFL wants to be because the expectations are unfair. Don't know whether in his one and a half year stint with the Broncos was he bumped to stage 2 which then could be a 4 game suspension after this recent failed test instead of no suspension if he was on still on stage 1 after he left the Broncos and was only bumped from stage 1 to 3 from the missed test when he was with the CFL.

A whole lot we don't know to figure out what is the most probable outcome of all this.

 

[Polaris]

I happen to think this is definately a case of 'no news is good news'. Otherwise (and based on past precedence), the NFL wouldn't hesitate at all to deny the appeal and impose the punishment. I think there is a very good chance that Browner wins his appeal at least to some degree.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

I happen to think this is definately a case of 'no news is good news'. Otherwise (and based on past precedence), the NFL wouldn't hesitate at all to deny the appeal and impose the punishment. I think there is a very good chance that Browner wins his appeal at least to some degree.

Agree with this. My guess is they negotiate like a 3 game suspension to save face and he will agree cuz he's going to be out around that long with the injury anyway.