John Clayton says Browner could win his appeal

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BOLD PREDICTION:

BROWNER WINS HIS APPEAL AND PLAYS MONDAY NIGHT, WITH A MIRACULOUSLY HEALED GROIN.
 

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Is it a fact he missed a test while he was unemployed? Or was it during the years he was in Canada?

Pretty ridiculous for the NFL to expect a player who is employed in a different league in a different country to make themselves available for NFL testing. Goodell has a pretty legalistic mindset , sometimes for the better (Sherman) sometimes for the worse (continually trying to make an inherently dangerous sport safe).. and so Id say Browner has a decent shot of beating this. If we are getting the correct information this time.
 

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Bigpumpkin":2qlpiaxt said:
Hawknballs":2qlpiaxt said:
BOLD PREDICTION:

BROWNER WINS HIS APPEAL AND PLAYS MONDAY NIGHT, WITH A MIRACULOUSLY HEALED GROIN.


OK....I give up. What have you been smokin' ?

It's a bold prediction. You never half arse a bold prediction.
 

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Bigpumpkin":3rajldgt said:
Hawknballs":3rajldgt said:
BOLD PREDICTION:

BROWNER WINS HIS APPEAL AND PLAYS MONDAY NIGHT, WITH A MIRACULOUSLY HEALED GROIN.


OK....I give up. What have you been smokin' ?

Maui Waui, actually. Startin of my 5 day weekend here right, capped off with a trip to the clink in the snow.
 

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FireWolfe":3e7ypg0q said:
My question is if he wins, and there is no penalty, does he play again for the Hawks this year. In other words, I wonder if he can come back from the groin injury in time to make an impact if he does win the appeal...hmmmm....

I would think he could by playoff time. If we have a 1st round bye, that is almost 7 weeks from now and he had a 4-6 week timetable.

But even if he is healthy, I was preferring Thurmond's play anyway. Browner has looked a step slow this year. And the penalties are something you have to live with too.
 

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Why did the idiot NFLPA agree to having that rule in the collective bargaining agreement?
 

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Missing_Clink":35cptac0 said:
Why did the idiot NFLPA agree to having that rule in the collective bargaining agreement?

Don't think they thought it would come up. Has there been another case of this besides Browner? It's so rare that they probably didn't think it was worth arguing over.
 

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Hawknballs":3ewizqvc said:
Bigpumpkin":3ewizqvc said:
Hawknballs":3ewizqvc said:
BOLD PREDICTION:

BROWNER WINS HIS APPEAL AND PLAYS MONDAY NIGHT, WITH A MIRACULOUSLY HEALED GROIN.


OK....I give up. What have you been smokin' ?

Maui Waui, actually. Startin of my 5 day weekend here right, capped off with a trip to the clink in the snow.
Thank god you owned up because I don't like assuming things...:)
 

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Hawknballs":28496yjb said:
Bigpumpkin":28496yjb said:
Hawknballs":28496yjb said:
BOLD PREDICTION:

BROWNER WINS HIS APPEAL AND PLAYS MONDAY NIGHT, WITH A MIRACULOUSLY HEALED GROIN.


OK....I give up. What have you been smokin' ?

Maui Waui, actually. Startin of my 5 day weekend here right, capped off with a trip to the clink in the snow.
Thank god you owned up because I don't like assuming things...:)
 

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Yeah, it gets deeper, and stranger. There's some language in there that if you are in stage two, and have no bad tests for two years, you go back to the beginning, stage one. It gets really strange if the NFL expected him to take these tests, but didn't notify him properly, or maybe more accurately, they couldn't provide testers for him in Canada and expected him to travel somewhere. He could probably argue that given he was out of the league for so long, he should have been treated as someone who had a first violation, or similar. He was clean for nearly two years for us, as far as street drugs are concerned, and was clean at the end of the Broncos as well. I suspect he could argue that while he was an NFL player, subject to the CBA, that he was clean for two plus years, and they can't hold him to a contract when he isn't getting paid (employment law) and isn't in the country either.

I could totally see this getting argued for a bit, and if he doesn't go on IR, he could possibly be back for the playoffs, especially if we get a bye.

If I was his lawyer, I'd be arguing that if they didn't let him off on this, that they'd sue the NFL for loss of earnings, what a premier pro bowl cornerback would get vs. what he would be likely to make if he was out of the NFL. It's a decent chunk of change, and the sort of thing the NFL might have to seriously consider.

I also note that NO ONE has actually confirmed the suspension yet, not the Seahawks, not the NFL, not Browner. It's been all hearsay. If it was so cut and dried, we'd have him suspended already, so the Seahawks could use the roster spot.
 

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Oh, and the HawkBlogger article is great and reminded me that the CBA obviously changed in 2010 for the 2011 season and so many of the rules on all of this changed. If in fact the old 2005 CBA doesn't have the language re: must test for two years clean even if not in employ of the NFL, then Browner can definitely argue that his time out of the country should have reset the counter on this program for him. I think he could make that argument anyway i.e. I'm not an employee of the NFL, and they do not pay me to travel to tests, they cannot require me to take them when I am not even in the United States, etc. It's an unreasonable hardship to put on someone as part of a collective bargaining agreement. Hell, technically he may have not even been part of the union when he was in Canada.
 

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Clayton characterized Browner's chances of winning his appeal as unlikely, noting that the league would have to overturn a suspension it handed down.


hmm Weird he goes back on what he says
 

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So what happens when Browner wins his appeal and has a game-clinching interception in the playoffs? ;)
 
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