Jaws

[Giedi]

Well...as a 49er fan I have to say.....


WOAH there Ron. SLOOWWWW down!!! LOL!!

Kaep has a long way to go to even be CONSIDERED among the best 49ER QBs, let alone the league.

No sheeit!

Kaep isn't even the second best QB SF has had. Montana was the model QB come game time, no one disputes this. Then of course there was that Steve Young guy who could run like crazy and sling it like Brady.

10 NFL games and that kind of assessment? Jaws... drugs are bad... mmmmmkay.

*If* there is a comparable QB record (regarding the limited sample size of 10) it would be Marino. Everybody predicted Marino, after he went to the superbowl with a limited sample size of 18, that he would be in the superbowl again sooner or later, but he never made it back. That could happen to Colin. It could be those 10 games are just it, and the rest of his career, he's going to be average.

But the simple fact that both Marino and Colin took their respective teams to the superbowl. To do that you have to have the intangibles and the physical ability to do so. Not every brand new QB starter takes their team to the superbowl. Also even though Marino never went back to the superbowl - he only had one losing season in his entire career, and did make the playoffs numerous times. The other interesting part of the debate is -- is the superbowl *loss* Kaep's floor or is it his ceiling?

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 17m

ESPN's Ron Jaworski calls #49ers No. 1 team in NFC: "I believe Colin Kaepernick can be the best QB arguably in the history of the NFL."



I appreciate the time it seems that Jaws puts into to his QB analysis, he seems like he know what he might be talking about.
BUTTTTTTT that is a very very bold statement.

Thoughts?

Thoughts? How about can you pass that houka and reload the bowl with the awesome stuff you've been smoking Ron.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Well...as a 49er fan I have to say.....


WOAH there Ron. SLOOWWWW down!!! LOL!!

Kaep has a long way to go to even be CONSIDERED among the best 49ER QBs, let alone the league.

No sheeit!

Kaep isn't even the second best QB SF has had. Montana was the model QB come game time, no one disputes this. Then of course there was that Steve Young guy who could run like crazy and sling it like Brady.

10 NFL games and that kind of assessment? Jaws... drugs are bad... mmmmmkay.

*If* there is a comparable QB record (regarding the limited sample size of 10) it would be Marino. Everybody predicted Marino, after he went to the superbowl with a limited sample size of 18, that he would be in the superbowl again sooner or later, but he never made it back. That could happen to Colin. It could be those 10 games are just it, and the rest of his career, he's going to be average.

But the simple fact that both Marino and Colin took their respective teams to the superbowl. To do that you have to have the intangibles and the physical ability to do so. Not every brand new QB starter takes their team to the superbowl. Also even though Marino never went back to the superbowl - he only had one losing season in his entire career, and did make the playoffs numerous times. The other interesting part of the debate is -- is the superbowl *loss* Kaep's floor or is it his ceiling?

Way too early to know, how about we let him play a full season as the actual starter before comparing him to Marino, Montana, and Young? Even Wilson has more game film and is more than arguably better despite that fact.

 

[Giedi]

No sheeit!

Kaep isn't even the second best QB SF has had. Montana was the model QB come game time, no one disputes this. Then of course there was that Steve Young guy who could run like crazy and sling it like Brady.

10 NFL games and that kind of assessment? Jaws... drugs are bad... mmmmmkay.

*If* there is a comparable QB record (regarding the limited sample size of 10) it would be Marino. Everybody predicted Marino, after he went to the superbowl with a limited sample size of 18, that he would be in the superbowl again sooner or later, but he never made it back. That could happen to Colin. It could be those 10 games are just it, and the rest of his career, he's going to be average.

But the simple fact that both Marino and Colin took their respective teams to the superbowl. To do that you have to have the intangibles and the physical ability to do so. Not every brand new QB starter takes their team to the superbowl. Also even though Marino never went back to the superbowl - he only had one losing season in his entire career, and did make the playoffs numerous times. The other interesting part of the debate is -- is the superbowl *loss* Kaep's floor or is it his ceiling?

Way too early to know, how about we let him play a full season as the actual starter before comparing him to Marino, Montana, and Young? Even Wilson has more game film and is more than arguably better despite that fact.

Oh absolutely agree it's way to soon to compare either Kaep or Wilson to any HOF QB. Wilson definitely has more games to bring his sample size closer to something more determinable statistically, but still 18 games is still way under the needed sample size to get a good reading - again both QB's fall under this.

But, while it's way early to reasonably compare them to legends, there is no law barring that among fans. In other words, aren't creating a scientific paper that will be published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, we're just posting opinions amoung fans who could care less, so long as you agree with them. :mrgreen:

 

[13thMan]

I can't wait to see the "what went wrong" articles about Kaepernick. He's not that good.

So coaches, former coaches, league executives, analysts, and former players all seem to be brain dead and you've got it all figured out huh...

LOL.... Homervision!

 

[onanygivensunday]

I don't remember the exact number but I recall a number of NFL "experts" stating that a QB in the league needs to get about 30 starts, on average, under his belt until *you* know whether or not the kid's a keeper.

Both Wilson and the Crapper are well short of that number, which I tend to agree with.

I get it... we love Wilson... and the 49-faithful love the Crapper. No problema, senor... we're all homers.

 

[Giedi]

I don't remember the exact number but I recall a number of NFL "experts" stating that a QB in the league needs to get about 30 starts, on average, under his belt until *you* know whether or not the kid's a keeper.

Both Wilson and the Crapper are well short of that number, which I tend to agree with.

I get it... we love Wilson... and the 49-faithful love the Crapper. No problema, senor... we're all homers.

Wilson looked human in the Green Bay game. I'm wondering if the 'Hawk players are too dependent on the emotion provided by the fans in their home stadium to play. Why do they look ordinary when they are away from C-link?

 

[13thMan]

I don't remember the exact number but I recall a number of NFL "experts" stating that a QB in the league needs to get about 30 starts, on average, under his belt until *you* know whether or not the kid's a keeper.

Both Wilson and the Crapper are well short of that number, which I tend to agree with.

I get it... we love Wilson... and the 49-faithful love the Crapper. No problema, senor... we're all homers.

Wilson looked human in the Green Bay game. I'm wondering if the 'Hawk players are too dependent on the emotion provided by the fans in their home stadium to play. Why do they look ordinary when they are away from C-link?

This. Plus, the Oline looks discombobulated... even against GB's 2/3s.... Ugh.

 

[Terpdragon]

I don't remember the exact number but I recall a number of NFL "experts" stating that a QB in the league needs to get about 30 starts, on average, under his belt until *you* know whether or not the kid's a keeper.

Both Wilson and the Crapper are well short of that number, which I tend to agree with.

I get it... we love Wilson... and the 49-faithful love the Crapper. No problema, senor... we're all homers.

Wilson looked human in the Green Bay game. I'm wondering if the 'Hawk players are too dependent on the emotion provided by the fans in their home stadium to play. Why do they look ordinary when they are away from C-link?

Wilson looked human along with his offensive line because Green Bay was running stunts and delayed blitzes all game which was pretty classless and the Seahawks don't game plan in pre-season.

 

[rideaducati]

I don't remember the exact number but I recall a number of NFL "experts" stating that a QB in the league needs to get about 30 starts, on average, under his belt until *you* know whether or not the kid's a keeper.

Both Wilson and the Crapper are well short of that number, which I tend to agree with.

I get it... we love Wilson... and the 49-faithful love the Crapper. No problema, senor... we're all homers.

Wilson looked human in the Green Bay game. I'm wondering if the 'Hawk players are too dependent on the emotion provided by the fans in their home stadium to play. Why do they look ordinary when they are away from C-link?

There was a letdown by both teams once Rogers left the game.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I don't remember the exact number but I recall a number of NFL "experts" stating that a QB in the league needs to get about 30 starts, on average, under his belt until *you* know whether or not the kid's a keeper.

Both Wilson and the Crapper are well short of that number, which I tend to agree with.

I get it... we love Wilson... and the 49-faithful love the Crapper. No problema, senor... we're all homers.

Wilson looked human in the Green Bay game. I'm wondering if the 'Hawk players are too dependent on the emotion provided by the fans in their home stadium to play. Why do they look ordinary when they are away from C-link?

A game in which Seattle didn't game plan for, and purposely didn't adjust much to the blitzes by not running very many draws and screens. If you want to judge Wilson by a preseason game (which is stupid by the way) you have to judge your guy the Kraepper by his -2 yards passing he had that preseason game right? Or are you going to hold your guy to a different set of standards?