Jamie Collins, the Russell Wilson eraser

[randomation]

The Patriots = Oregon
The Seahawks = Alabama circa 2011-2012

Better comparison is OSU this year I think, since we never actually got to see Oregon v Bama. Though Cardale is more of a tank then a runner like Russ.

 

[camdawg]

Marshawn Lynch is the Jamie Collins eraser.

Collins was getting absolutely manhandled in the running game against the Ravens. If he continues to have issues shedding blocks and taking correct angles, Beast Mode is going to make Collins look foolish once again.

The Ravens offense is so far superior to Seattle's. They have a top QB, top RB, and very good receivers. NE had threats on every level to contend with.

Seattle has the RB and a QB that can run. NE will not respect the Seahawks passing game and focus resources on the run. Belichick has a pretty good history taking that away when the risk is not too great, which it isn't in this case. Wilson will have to beat us with his arm.

The risk isn't too great after Wilson broke your heart in the only time you faced him? Fair enough.

The Ravens did have more yards and points this year than we did. Still, we finished #8 in yards, and #9 in points. That may not be amazing, but it's at least pretty good.

If this hasn't been brought up this week, here's a stat that will really surprise you. I'm trusting the numbers on NFL.com to be correct. If they are, Seattle had more total offensive yardage this year than New England (regular season). If your offense is so much better than ours, how could this be??

Now I do have to give the Patriots credit for something. Even though the Seahawks actually had more total yardage than the Patriots, you guys scored almost five more points per game. You were deadly efficient in converting your yards to points.

Still, maybe the Hawks aren't so bad on offense after all?

And those Baltimore weapons? LOL at Steve Smith being this uncoverable guy. Somehow we've been able to cover him pretty well over the years.

 

[NEPatriots1]

Reading this board I'm shocked any team from the pathetic, slow AFC beat any mighty NFC team. How'd the Pats slow ass team manage to keep up with a Packer team that was a massive choke job from beating you at home?

 

[hawknation2015]

Reading this board I'm shocked any team from the pathetic, slow AFC beat any mighty NFC team. How'd the Pats slow ass team manage to keep up with a Packer team that was a massive choke job from beating you at home?

Is this really your best example?

You "kept up" (and lost!) against a team that we beat TWICE, including a 20-point shellacking in the opener.

You "kept up" (and lost!) against a team that outgained you by 158 yards (478-320).

You "kept up" (and lost!) against a team that we outgained 398-255 and 397-306.

Do you honestly take a "moral victory" from a game just because you LOST by single digits? Did the fact that Green Bay had a first down at the 50 with two minutes left in the game escape your memory? Even if the Pats had made the 47 yarder, Green Bay still wins because of the way they were moving the ball on you both through the air and on the ground. They beat you in decisive fashion.

If this is truly your best argument, you guys are in for a rude awakening.

 

[NEPatriots1]

Reading this board I'm shocked any team from the pathetic, slow AFC beat any mighty NFC team. How'd the Pats slow ass team manage to keep up with a Packer team that was a massive choke job from beating you at home?

Is this really your best example?

You "kept up" (and lost!) against a team that we beat TWICE, including a 20-point shellacking in the opener.

You "kept up" (and lost!) against a team that outgained you by 158 yards (478-320).

You "kept up" (and lost!) against a team that we outgained 398-255 and 397-306.

Do you honestly take a "moral victory" from a game just because you LOST by single digits? Did the fact that Green Bay had a first down at the 50 with two minutes left in the game escape your memory? Even if the Pats had made the 47 yarder, Green Bay still wins because of the way they were moving the ball on you both through the air and on the ground. They beat you in decisive fashion.

If this is truly your best argument, you guys are in for a rude awakening.

I didn't take any moral victory out of that game. We lost and they were the better team on that day at home. I just read multiple posts about how this Seahawks team speed is blinding and we wont be able to keep up with that. For 56 minutes the Packers were the better team and if it wasn't for some bum on the hands team not doing his job you would have lost last week. If the Seahawks are that much faster than the Patriots how did NE even stay in the game vs the Packers?

 

[bigDhawk]

The Ravens offense is so far superior to Seattle's. They have a top QB, top RB, and very good receivers. NE had threats on every level to contend with.

Seattle has the RB and a QB that can run. NE will not respect the Seahawks passing game and focus resources on the run. Belichick has a pretty good history taking that away when the risk is not too great, which it isn't in this case. Wilson will have to beat us with his arm.

Counting the postseason, Wilson is, to-date, 42-12 (an NFL record) in the first three years of his NFL career. In every one of those games the opponent has attempted to 'take away the run and force Wilson to beat them with his arm'. And he's succeeded at a .750 winning percentage, with a 43-8 blowout Superb Bowl victory over the greatest offense in NFL history and a good chance at a repeat. Fifty six teams have taken that risk. Fourty two have failed. And the Pats are just going to feel good about rolling that 25% dice? I guarantee your cheating coach doesn't feel good about that. Are you sure you're a '50-year' Pats fan? Because you sound like someone who hasn't been watching football that long. And you obviously haven't watched a Seahawks game until the NFCCG since U MAD BRO.

 

[HansGruber]

Jamie Collins has been fantastic this season. Gotta hand it to the guy, he earned me a lot of fantasy points late in the season as an IDP, as well. Paired him up with Lavonte David and racked up insane points.

But, he hasn't played Wilson yet. He has never played anyone like Wilson. Much less, Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch running out of the same backfield.

The OP is just another Denver Broncos fan bragging about an all-time great offense and history of winning. Don't care. Yawn. You bore us. We all know you will be nowhere to be found when your team gets their asses handed to them.

 

[kearly]

The Ravens offense is so far superior to Seattle's. They have a top QB, top RB, and very good receivers. NE had threats on every level to contend with.

Seattle actually ranks 5th in offensive DVOA (+16.7% above average), Baltimore ranks 9th (+9.7%). New England is (gasp!), 6th. That's right, lower than Seattle, the offense you think sucks because they don't pass for 300 yards every game.

I pay no attention to stats dealing with yards. It's all about points.

So what? Baltimore and Seattle are tied in points per drive.

 

[hawknation2015]

Reading this board I'm shocked any team from the pathetic, slow AFC beat any mighty NFC team. How'd the Pats slow ass team manage to keep up with a Packer team that was a massive choke job from beating you at home?

Is this really your best example?

You "kept up" (and lost!) against a team that we beat TWICE, including a 20-point shellacking in the opener.

You "kept up" (and lost!) against a team that outgained you by 158 yards (478-320).

You "kept up" (and lost!) against a team that we outgained 398-255 and 397-306.

Do you honestly take a "moral victory" from a game just because you LOST by single digits? Did the fact that Green Bay had a first down at the 50 with two minutes left in the game escape your memory? Even if the Pats had made the 47 yarder, Green Bay still wins because of the way they were moving the ball on you both through the air and on the ground. They beat you in decisive fashion.

If this is truly your best argument, you guys are in for a rude awakening.

I didn't take any moral victory out of that game. We lost and they were the better team on that day at home. I just read multiple posts about how this Seahawks team speed is blinding and we wont be able to keep up with that. For 56 minutes the Packers were the better team and if it wasn't for some bum on the hands team not doing his job you would have lost last week. If the Seahawks are that much faster than the Patriots how did NE even stay in the game vs the Packers?

The Seahawks turned the ball over five times, which is how Green Bay stayed in the game, and still came back to win. Forget about the onside kick, and start having nightmares about what they did after they had the ball.

This is arguably the most competitive team in league history. They are incapable of quitting and have not lost by double digits since Nov. 6, 2011 -- 63 consecutive games and counting. They have had the No. 1 defense for three straight years, boast one of the most dominant running games in league history, and are a force to be reckoned with. Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

 

[kearly]

I'm pretty confident in saying that Seattle's offense this week will depend on Wilson's passing performance, it won't be Lynch and a running QB going off. Humor me a little and explain how Wilson is going to complete 65% of his passes for 280 yards against Revis, Browner, and company. Having a little trouble picturing that after that performance against GB.

I would too, if I thought Wilson was going to have the worst game of his life twice in a row. Nevermind that Wilson had the 5th best performance in NFL playoff history the week before against Carolina.

What makes you think they'd have to move the ball through the air? This is one of the best rushing offenses of all time, and the Patriots run defense isn't even in the top 10 this season. The 2014 Seahawks are the 2nd best rush offense New England has ever faced in their history, only the 1998 Broncos provided a bigger challenge.

New England has gotten their asses kicked defensively in most of the games they've played against great rush offenses this year, and Seattle's rush offense is WAAAAAY better than the second best rush offense you've faced this year. Miami was the second best rush offense in the NFL, and theirs was 10% above average, compared to 30% above average for Seattle.

Revis is a stud and will likely erase Baldwin in man coverage. Which means Wilson will have to find someone else to pass to four times in this game (Baldwin only averages four catches a game, he's not a big part of our offense). Wilson spreads the ball around. I love Browner, but he can be burned and Seattle will know how to attack him. Tight End Luke Willson burns the crap out of slow LBs, and your team has slow LBs.

Lastly the thing you have to understand about Russell Wilson, is that he will commonly blow teams out without breaking "280 yards" passing. Does it all the time. You of all people should understand this, your team just scored 45 points with a QB who passed for 226 yards in the game. If you just looked at Brady's numbers, you probably wouldn't be on a Hawks board talking shit this week. There's a lot more to an offense than a QB's counting stats.

 

[kearly]

Jamie Collins has been fantastic this season. Gotta hand it to the guy, he earned me a lot of fantasy points late in the season as an IDP, as well. Paired him up with Lavonte David and racked up insane points.

But, he hasn't played Wilson yet. He has never played anyone like Wilson. Much less, Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch running out of the same backfield.

The OP is just another Denver Broncos fan bragging about an all-time great offense and history of winning. Don't care. Yawn. You bore us. We all know you will be nowhere to be found when your team gets their asses handed to them.

My confidence in a win can be measured by how dumb the visiting trolls are that week. There are plenty of smart Patriots fans in the world, I'm sure. But they aren't on Seahawks forums talking shit right now.

The sad thing is that a lot of these fans were probably around when the Patriots were completely destroyed by the '85 Bears, a team that the present day Seahawks have drawn many comparisons to. Any Pats fan has to ask himself if the 2014 Pats team could beat a modern version of that '85 Bears squad. Hence, the lack of intelligent shit talking this week.

 

[BASF]

I don't really watch Patriots games, as they play a style I don't really like. I missed most of the Ravens game unfortunately. The Colts game wasn't really a Jamie Collins feature, so I had to do some investigating on this guy to intelligently respond here.

I was shocked when I started going through the play by plays especially against the running teams. A lot of Collins' tackles were of the four and five yards down the field runs and him getting the backs down. I believe there were less than ten tackles that were within the two or less yards in the seven games that I went through. It seemed like the Jets specifically ran right at him on several drives where he was making the tackles on almost every play, quite a few of them were 7+ yards down field. Of the very few tackles that were no gain or even for a loss, it was him getting credit along with another player for the tackle. I do not have the All-22. Is there anyone out there who can watch their games against the Dolphins, Jets, Chiefs and Ravens to verify that those teams were running right at Collins?

 

[Scottemojo]

I also have to point out, that in what of the GIFS Prisco uses to support his eraser statement, Collins gets the sack after 7 seconds.

7 seconds. That is a coverage sack. Had nothing to do with Jamie's awesome ability to erase Rodgers.

Jamie has quit in him. It shows up all the time when he has to fight through blocks to get a runner.

This story is Prisco convincing hemself, yet again, that the Hawks will lose.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

Prisco is a moron. I wouldn't use his garbage to stand testimonial to my opinion.

That aside, Collins is a fantastic talent. Still raw and learning. But dynamic.

Seattle faces those routinely throughout the year though. The gauntlet that is defenses in the NFC West is littered with players who are as good as Collins will be someday. I'm guessing that the yearly 'No Mas' that is the competition in the AFC East may easily lend Pats fans to a significant level of hyperbole.

Collins is a good player. He'd probably be in our LB rotation here in Seattle. But I'm not convinced he's even better than KJ Wright. Collins is a fine talent, but for our team, he might have issues cracking the starting lineup. Certainly he's not beating out Bobby Wagner who is flat out better than Collins is going to be. Wagner is perhaps the second or third best LB in the entire league. Irvin has Collins beat in the athleticism department and plays strongside OLB. Different tools entirely there.

Collins certainly could be the designated spy on Wilson. Would be a smart move. The niners used Bowman (who is also far better than Collins) to great effect in that role. It'll certainly be interesting to see how the Pats look to stop our run game. Belichick is so very good at taking away what teams do well.

But the Pats are going to have to do that within a sound scheme. Because Seattle is perhaps the best team in the league at killing teams who cheat personnel to stop any one aspect of our offense. I don't see Collins being able to spy Wilson AND for NE to focus on stopping Lynch. It'll be an either/or situation. Unless they cheat a safety. Wilson is very capable of finding the weak spot.

My guess is, if NE loads up to stop the run and spies Wilson, and they focus Revis on Baldwin/Browner on Kearse -- then Luke Willson might have a 200 yard receiving day. Seattle's offense is very balanced. And Willson is becoming a huge home run threat in between the numbers.

NE may well take away what we do best. But if they cheat personnel to do it, Seattle can play that game. Denver did exactly that in last year's SB, and it resulted in pretty poor results for them. I'm not seeing a defense that is likely to slow Lynch down without committing extra players to do it. Their performance this year doesn't indicate that. And that's been against worse rushing attacks than us. It'll be interesting to see what Bill has up his sleeve though.

 

[50yrpatsfan]

Prisco is a moron. I wouldn't use his garbage to stand testimonial to my opinion.

That aside, Collins is a fantastic talent. Still raw and learning. But dynamic.

Seattle faces those routinely throughout the year though. The gauntlet that is defenses in the NFC West is littered with players who are as good as Collins will be someday. I'm guessing that the yearly 'No Mas' that is the competition in the AFC East may easily lend Pats fans to a significant level of hyperbole.

Collins is a good player. He'd probably be in our LB rotation here in Seattle. But I'm not convinced he's even better than KJ Wright. Collins is a fine talent, but for our team, he might have issues cracking the starting lineup. Certainly he's not beating out Bobby Wagner who is flat out better than Collins is going to be. Wagner is perhaps the second or third best LB in the entire league. Irvin has Collins beat in the athleticism department and plays strongside OLB. Different tools entirely there.

Collins certainly could be the designated spy on Wilson. Would be a smart move. The niners used Bowman (who is also far better than Collins) to great effect in that role. It'll certainly be interesting to see how the Pats look to stop our run game. Belichick is so very good at taking away what teams do well.

But the Pats are going to have to do that within a sound scheme. Because Seattle is perhaps the best team in the league at killing teams who cheat personnel to stop any one aspect of our offense. I don't see Collins being able to spy Wilson AND for NE to focus on stopping Lynch. It'll be an either/or situation. Unless they cheat a safety. Wilson is very capable of finding the weak spot.

My guess is, if NE loads up to stop the run and spies Wilson, and they focus Revis on Baldwin/Browner on Kearse -- then Luke Willson might have a 200 yard receiving day. Seattle's offense is very balanced. And Willson is becoming a huge home run threat in between the numbers.

NE may well take away what we do best. But if they cheat personnel to do it, Seattle can play that game. Denver did exactly that in last year's SB, and it resulted in pretty poor results for them. I'm not seeing a defense that is likely to slow Lynch down without committing extra players to do it. Their performance this year doesn't indicate that. And that's been against worse rushing attacks than us. It'll be interesting to see what Bill has up his sleeve though.

Good points. The Hawks offense has been solid the past couple of years, good weapons everywhere. Can sustain long drives as well as hit the bomb. As you say, well balanced.

Belichick will have to cheat to limit the Hawks run game. He has to pick his poison, and it will be to defend your passing game with the bare minimum and keep the rushing yardage under control. He's definitely gonna make Wilson beat us with his arm, and put the pressure on the db's to make plays.

With the pass rush, against GB earlier this year, he was so concerned about Rodgers scrambling that he kept all his rushers back near the los and that didn't work too well, Rodgers had plenty of time and hurt us through the air. Jones didn't play in that game either. This time I would see them mixing it up a little more to get pressure on Wilson rather than fear he'll escape it. I'd love to see them bring Collins more. But the game plan has to start with limiting the run and getting Seattle into 3rd and 5 consistently.

 

[HansGruber]

Belichick will have to cheat to limit the Hawks run game. He has to pick his poison, and it will be to defend your passing game with the bare minimum and keep the rushing yardage under control. He's definitely gonna make Wilson beat us with his arm, and put the pressure on the db's to make plays.

Then you must be really nervous. We spent all last season watching Brandon Browner get burned on play after play after play. Why'd you think we left him on the bench after his suspension and didn't even make an offer last offseason?

Russell Wilson will be throwing at BB all day long. He spent two years throwing on that guy in practice. Carroll knows Browner better than your own coaches do. His tendencies, his weaknesses, everything about him.

That should have NE fans very very nervous.

 

[cesame]

Feel like a key to Seattle's plan on offense is getting Baldwin matched up on Browner.

Baldwin may not be a guy that stretches the field, but he's very shifty and runs crisp routes, exactly the type of WR that we've seen have success against Browner. As I'm sure Pats fans have seen, the smaller/quicker guys give Browner trouble.

Also think this is a game that Luke Willson has to step up. He has a big advantage with his speed against NE's LB. It was just a few weeks ago Willson was burning Larry Foote for TDs.

 

[bigskydoc]

For 56 minutes the Packers were the better team and if it wasn't for some bum on the hands team not doing his job you would have lost last week.

I don't understand where this idea comes from at all. We had only one quarter, one, where the Packers were able to put up better stats.



We gave them a gift in the second quarter when poor special teams play by the Seahawks gave them possession of the ball on the Seattle 33. The Pack could only mount an 11 yard drive before having to kick the field goal. Our second quarter drives started on our 20 twice, our 31, and our 26 (for a meaningless drive at the end of the half). Other than the scoring drive, theirs started on their 44, and their 20 and their drives produced pretty similar results to us.

Compare that to the special teams bungle by the Packers that gave the Hawks the ball on the 50 (17 yard less than we gave them). The Hawks turned that bungle into 50 yards, and 8 points.

That was Seahawks football right there. Start the chokehold early on and keep holding it until the game is over. They just played an awful 1st quarter.

- bsd RPA

 

[50yrpatsfan]

Belichick will have to cheat to limit the Hawks run game. He has to pick his poison, and it will be to defend your passing game with the bare minimum and keep the rushing yardage under control. He's definitely gonna make Wilson beat us with his arm, and put the pressure on the db's to make plays.

Then you must be really nervous. We spent all last season watching Brandon Browner get burned on play after play after play. Why'd you think we left him on the bench after his suspension and didn't even make an offer last offseason?

Russell Wilson will be throwing at BB all day long. He spent two years throwing on that guy in practice. Carroll knows Browner better than your own coaches do. His tendencies, his weaknesses, everything about him.

That should have NE fans very very nervous.

Browner has been good overall for us. I was frustrated by his penalties much of the season, but he hasn't hurt us with that much the past month. He does put a hand on the receiver a lot more than I wish. He got beat deep by Torrey Smith of the Ravens on 1 occasion (on a 3rd and 1 surprise call by Kubiak), and played well against Indy. He's healthy and is playing loose and free. I don't think he'll be put in bad matchups because your WR's aren't that fast and shifty, they're tough and reliable.

 

[kearly]

Belichick will have to cheat to limit the Hawks run game. He has to pick his poison, and it will be to defend your passing game with the bare minimum and keep the rushing yardage under control. He's definitely gonna make Wilson beat us with his arm, and put the pressure on the db's to make plays.

To be fair to you and your team, I don't view Belichick as a true cheater. I think a more accurate description is that he pursues gamesmanship more than any NFL coach in history, and that occasionally his living on the fringes gets him busted for going over. He's like the guy that drives 15 mph over the speed limit in residential zones but slows when he sees a cop. He will usually get away with it, but over the years he'll see his fair share of tickets.

Pete Carroll also has a bit of gamesmanship in him too, and it was especially evident in his first two years when Seattle had to get creative to win games. I actually respect this in a coach, though I think Belichick would probably be better off if he was less obsessed with it.

Thing is, there really isn't any gamemanship for defense. Defense is not premeditated, it is reactive. The reason Seattle has the NFL's #1 defense is not because they have the most brilliant schemes, in fact just the opposite. They have the most basic defense in the NFL, but they dominate because of the athleticism and intelligence of the players. When it comes to defense, you either have the players you need or you don't. And New England's track record against run heavy teams suggests they don't have the horses they need.

Browner has been good overall for us. I was frustrated by his penalties much of the season, but he hasn't hurt us with that much the past month. He does put a hand on the receiver a lot more than I wish. He got beat deep by Torrey Smith of the Ravens on 1 occasion (on a 3rd and 1 surprise call by Kubiak), and played well against Indy. He's healthy and is playing loose and free. I don't think he'll be put in bad matchups because your WR's aren't that fast and shifty, they're tough and reliable.

Lockette and Kearse will be a challenge for Browner on deep routes. Browner is a very good player inside 15 yards, Seattle will probably target him deep frequently in this game off of play action (in situations where the safety bites and is slow to help Browner).

As has been pointed out, Seattle has gotten good production out of TE and RB receiving the past couple months, and this matches up with the Pats weakest area. I expect the Hawks game plan to look a lot like KC's, where the WRs aren't a huge part of the game plan, except for a few specific plays.