Is there any hope next years postseason will be different?

[Spin Doctor]

This is team is VERY capable. That's why I never give up hope. I just think next year I will be a little more cautiously optimistic come playoff time. But I will never assume they are gonna' lose, not my jam.
And why watch the team if you just think they are going to lose every year? 2021 is a new season, let's see how things shake out in the off season, the draft and free agency. I'm just tired of Pete's stubbornness and lack of ability to adapt.

Three playoff wins since 2015, three -- really two, that game lost by Blair Walsh's botched chipshot in the final seconds. The next game against a team that backed into a wildcard with a QB that had torn tendons in the throwing hand and an ankle sprain. That last win was against 40+ year old JOSH MCCOWN, a QB that gave us a run for our money. Do you realize how poor of a record this is? It is absolutely an indictment against Carroll's ability to coach in the playoffs.

You're frustrated by things that will never change with Pete. It'll be the same story, rinse, wash repeat. Carroll is done winning anything in the postseason. I hope you like Marty Schottenheimer, because that is who we have as HC at the moment.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Matters on the quality of the hired OC. Matters on if Pete keeps his hands out of the offensive cookie jar.
Matters on how much KNJ wants to let opponents play “pitch and catch” all the way down field while he insists on playing softzone/prevent defense. Matters on the draft. Matters on injuries.

 

[TwistedHusky]

We need to be realistic.

Carroll is basically another Marty Schottenheimer.

Marty even had MartyBall. Pete has PeteBall. Besides the stupid toxic differential thing, they are cousins if not directly related philosophies.

Carroll was able to win because he had the LOB defense.* If Marty had one of those, he probably would have won a SB too.

That Charger team would not have made the playoffs without Marty. Marty would take whatever team you wanted to the playoffs, they would flame out immediately in the playoffs, kind of like Carroll tends to - but they would get there.

The thing is, without Marty, the Chargers don't even make the playoffs. And without Carroll, I suspect that the Seahawks would fall off the map too.

If you think Wilson can carry a team given the chance, then you feel it is worth it otherwise. Wilson hasn't shown he can be consistent though.

We need to be realistic that we won our SB. I wanted at least one more divisional playoff win. Just one. And maybe, if I am greedy a competitive conference playoff game, even if we lost. But that is not going to happen.

Carroll has a system that makes us look better than we are. It works against bottom-half teams. Assuring what is normally a .500 team gets 1-2 extra wins. Then Wilson gets us 1-2 more. By the 3/4 mark people always start talking about us as a SB contender, and sometimes we even look like one until the playoffs start (recordwise, not in terms of actual dominance in games). As soon as we face a good team in the playoffs we are bound to lose, but it leads to enjoyment of the regular season and aspirations for playoff accomplishments.

That sells merch, tickets, and gets fans engaged. We don't have Paul anymore. We don't have an owner that will demand excellence. So getting rid of Pete does not mean a trade up. Jody seems content to keep her hand off the wheel, and we have to be thankful we still have a team...it could be worse.

We have a team that we can enjoy in the regular season and need to be realistic that while a few fixes would make it great. Those fixes are not coming and neither is postseason success.



* (Pete had a hand building the LOB, so credit where credit is due. But without them, he will never win anything of measure in the playoffs. He just isn't a capable enough Xs and Os guy and he never hires coordinators that can address that gap.)

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Talent
Health
Luck

Those are the big three of how you win in the NFL. This year we missed a big opportunity to make some real noise in the playoffs by losing the Giants and not getting an opportunity to grab the #1 seed, which as we know, and every other team knows assures you an over 80% chance of making it to the SB.

Compounded by the fact that the Rams had a down year and the Niners were decimated by injuries. How often is that kind of luck going to come along over the remainder of this regime with Russell?

So hope? Eh, I see more of the same. Good, flashes of great, but never consistently great enough to challenge for a SB next year. Or for the next 4-5 years.

Just don't see the path with the current player personnel and coaching staff.

 

[pittpnthrs]

We need to be realistic.

Carroll is basically another Marty Schottenheimer.

Marty even had MartyBall. Pete has PeteBall. Besides the stupid toxic differential thing, they are cousins if not directly related philosophies.

Carroll was able to win because he had the LOB defense.* If Marty had one of those, he probably would have won a SB too.

That Charger team would not have made the playoffs without Marty. Marty would take whatever team you wanted to the playoffs, they would flame out immediately in the playoffs, kind of like Carroll tends to - but they would get there.

The thing is, without Marty, the Chargers don't even make the playoffs. And without Carroll, I suspect that the Seahawks would fall off the map too.

If you think Wilson can carry a team given the chance, then you feel it is worth it otherwise. Wilson hasn't shown he can be consistent though.

We need to be realistic that we won our SB. I wanted at least one more divisional playoff win. Just one. And maybe, if I am greedy a competitive conference playoff game, even if we lost. But that is not going to happen.

Carroll has a system that makes us look better than we are. It works against bottom-half teams. Assuring what is normally a .500 team gets 1-2 extra wins. Then Wilson gets us 1-2 more. By the 3/4 mark people always start talking about us as a SB contender, and sometimes we even look like one until the playoffs start (recordwise, not in terms of actual dominance in games). As soon as we face a good team in the playoffs we are bound to lose, but it leads to enjoyment of the regular season and aspirations for playoff accomplishments.

That sells merch, tickets, and gets fans engaged. We don't have Paul anymore. We don't have an owner that will demand excellence. So getting rid of Pete does not mean a trade up. Jody seems content to keep her hand off the wheel, and we have to be thankful we still have a team...it could be worse.

We have a team that we can enjoy in the regular season and need to be realistic that while a few fixes would make it great. Those fixes are not coming and neither is postseason success.



* (Pete had a hand building the LOB, so credit where credit is due. But without them, he will never win anything of measure in the playoffs. He just isn't a capable enough Xs and Os guy and he never hires coordinators that can address that gap.)

This is so spot on. Hard to believe some people cant realize it.

 

[thegameq]

No.

Pete will be able to pound the rock and go play action over the top against lesser teams.

Better teams will (surprise!) focus on stuffing the run, placing the Seahawks in long down and distance situations (even longer with the inevitable holding and false start penalties that will ensue).

The better teams will score--building a lead-- while the Seahawks play rope-a-dope football and dig a hole too deep to climb out of. They will attempt to make it interesting of course and give us false hope.

Pete Carroll Post Game Presser: "If we only had a little more time." "If we could've just adjusted better or sooner."

 

[AgentDib]

Better teams will (surprise!) focus on stuffing the run, placing the Seahawks in long down and distance situations (even longer with the inevitable holding and false start penalties that will ensue).

Just to be clear, that isn't at all what happened this season. Teams decided to take away our long passing attempts by sitting back and made zero attempt to load extra defenders into the box to stuff the run. The problem is that we were unable to take advantage of that by running the ball effectively or hitting shorter passes. We want to force teams to try to stop our run largely in order to open up the deep game where Russ excels.

Second, replace "teams" with "defenses" in your assessment. Our offense should do worse against the best defenses, but the teams with the best defenses are limited in other ways. The Rams game came down to two turnovers on our part that resulted in TDs for them, and we won the game against them where our turnover differential was positive. That's not to say that we shouldn't try to improve our offense, but the fatalism isn't warranted.

 

[Maelstrom787]

We need to be realistic.

Carroll is basically another Marty Schottenheimer.

Marty even had MartyBall. Pete has PeteBall. Besides the stupid toxic differential thing, they are cousins if not directly related philosophies.

Carroll was able to win because he had the LOB defense.* If Marty had one of those, he probably would have won a SB too.

That Charger team would not have made the playoffs without Marty. Marty would take whatever team you wanted to the playoffs, they would flame out immediately in the playoffs, kind of like Carroll tends to - but they would get there.

The thing is, without Marty, the Chargers don't even make the playoffs. And without Carroll, I suspect that the Seahawks would fall off the map too.

If you think Wilson can carry a team given the chance, then you feel it is worth it otherwise. Wilson hasn't shown he can be consistent though.

We need to be realistic that we won our SB. I wanted at least one more divisional playoff win. Just one. And maybe, if I am greedy a competitive conference playoff game, even if we lost. But that is not going to happen.

Carroll has a system that makes us look better than we are. It works against bottom-half teams. Assuring what is normally a .500 team gets 1-2 extra wins. Then Wilson gets us 1-2 more. By the 3/4 mark people always start talking about us as a SB contender, and sometimes we even look like one until the playoffs start (recordwise, not in terms of actual dominance in games). As soon as we face a good team in the playoffs we are bound to lose, but it leads to enjoyment of the regular season and aspirations for playoff accomplishments.

That sells merch, tickets, and gets fans engaged. We don't have Paul anymore. We don't have an owner that will demand excellence. So getting rid of Pete does not mean a trade up. Jody seems content to keep her hand off the wheel, and we have to be thankful we still have a team...it could be worse.

We have a team that we can enjoy in the regular season and need to be realistic that while a few fixes would make it great. Those fixes are not coming and neither is postseason success.



* (Pete had a hand building the LOB, so credit where credit is due. But without them, he will never win anything of measure in the playoffs. He just isn't a capable enough Xs and Os guy and he never hires coordinators that can address that gap.)

I feel like this is where we can meet in the middle. This is exactly why I stay firmly in the Keep Pete corner - I'm unwilling to go away from a near-sure ticket to the playoffs every year. I think its more likely they get hot at the right time with Pete than it is they make it back to the dance soon after getting rid of him.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

We need to be realistic.

Carroll is basically another Marty Schottenheimer.

Marty even had MartyBall. Pete has PeteBall. Besides the stupid toxic differential thing, they are cousins if not directly related philosophies.

Carroll was able to win because he had the LOB defense.* If Marty had one of those, he probably would have won a SB too.

That Charger team would not have made the playoffs without Marty. Marty would take whatever team you wanted to the playoffs, they would flame out immediately in the playoffs, kind of like Carroll tends to - but they would get there.

The thing is, without Marty, the Chargers don't even make the playoffs. And without Carroll, I suspect that the Seahawks would fall off the map too.

If you think Wilson can carry a team given the chance, then you feel it is worth it otherwise. Wilson hasn't shown he can be consistent though.

We need to be realistic that we won our SB. I wanted at least one more divisional playoff win. Just one. And maybe, if I am greedy a competitive conference playoff game, even if we lost. But that is not going to happen.

Carroll has a system that makes us look better than we are. It works against bottom-half teams. Assuring what is normally a .500 team gets 1-2 extra wins. Then Wilson gets us 1-2 more. By the 3/4 mark people always start talking about us as a SB contender, and sometimes we even look like one until the playoffs start (recordwise, not in terms of actual dominance in games). As soon as we face a good team in the playoffs we are bound to lose, but it leads to enjoyment of the regular season and aspirations for playoff accomplishments.

That sells merch, tickets, and gets fans engaged. We don't have Paul anymore. We don't have an owner that will demand excellence. So getting rid of Pete does not mean a trade up. Jody seems content to keep her hand off the wheel, and we have to be thankful we still have a team...it could be worse.

We have a team that we can enjoy in the regular season and need to be realistic that while a few fixes would make it great. Those fixes are not coming and neither is postseason success.



* (Pete had a hand building the LOB, so credit where credit is due. But without them, he will never win anything of measure in the playoffs. He just isn't a capable enough Xs and Os guy and he never hires coordinators that can address that gap.)

Agreed x1000!

True, true and even more true!

Not everyone can/want to see this though.

 

[xray]

If you listen to Carroll the Hawks will be ' golden ' next season . Like every season . No worries .

 

[Maelstrom787]

We need to be realistic.

Carroll is basically another Marty Schottenheimer.

Marty even had MartyBall. Pete has PeteBall. Besides the stupid toxic differential thing, they are cousins if not directly related philosophies.

Carroll was able to win because he had the LOB defense.* If Marty had one of those, he probably would have won a SB too.

That Charger team would not have made the playoffs without Marty. Marty would take whatever team you wanted to the playoffs, they would flame out immediately in the playoffs, kind of like Carroll tends to - but they would get there.

The thing is, without Marty, the Chargers don't even make the playoffs. And without Carroll, I suspect that the Seahawks would fall off the map too.

If you think Wilson can carry a team given the chance, then you feel it is worth it otherwise. Wilson hasn't shown he can be consistent though.

We need to be realistic that we won our SB. I wanted at least one more divisional playoff win. Just one. And maybe, if I am greedy a competitive conference playoff game, even if we lost. But that is not going to happen.

Carroll has a system that makes us look better than we are. It works against bottom-half teams. Assuring what is normally a .500 team gets 1-2 extra wins. Then Wilson gets us 1-2 more. By the 3/4 mark people always start talking about us as a SB contender, and sometimes we even look like one until the playoffs start (recordwise, not in terms of actual dominance in games). As soon as we face a good team in the playoffs we are bound to lose, but it leads to enjoyment of the regular season and aspirations for playoff accomplishments.

That sells merch, tickets, and gets fans engaged. We don't have Paul anymore. We don't have an owner that will demand excellence. So getting rid of Pete does not mean a trade up. Jody seems content to keep her hand off the wheel, and we have to be thankful we still have a team...it could be worse.

We have a team that we can enjoy in the regular season and need to be realistic that while a few fixes would make it great. Those fixes are not coming and neither is postseason success.



* (Pete had a hand building the LOB, so credit where credit is due. But without them, he will never win anything of measure in the playoffs. He just isn't a capable enough Xs and Os guy and he never hires coordinators that can address that gap.)

Agreed x1000!

True, true and even more true!

Not everyone can/want to see this though.

I think tons of people CAN see it, but fall into different camps. This post correctly acknowledges that firing Pete is very likely to result in the team not being as good, with a chance to see them improve.

It depends on whether you want to keep making the playoffs and hope they put it together, or are willing to risk ineptitude by firing a coach who gets you pretty much a guaranteed postseason appearance to hire another coach who you hope hits the ground running and is also the unicorn coach who faces no postseason hump.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

We need to be realistic.

Carroll is basically another Marty Schottenheimer.

Marty even had MartyBall. Pete has PeteBall. Besides the stupid toxic differential thing, they are cousins if not directly related philosophies.

Carroll was able to win because he had the LOB defense.* If Marty had one of those, he probably would have won a SB too.

That Charger team would not have made the playoffs without Marty. Marty would take whatever team you wanted to the playoffs, they would flame out immediately in the playoffs, kind of like Carroll tends to - but they would get there.

The thing is, without Marty, the Chargers don't even make the playoffs. And without Carroll, I suspect that the Seahawks would fall off the map too.

If you think Wilson can carry a team given the chance, then you feel it is worth it otherwise. Wilson hasn't shown he can be consistent though.

We need to be realistic that we won our SB. I wanted at least one more divisional playoff win. Just one. And maybe, if I am greedy a competitive conference playoff game, even if we lost. But that is not going to happen.

Carroll has a system that makes us look better than we are. It works against bottom-half teams. Assuring what is normally a .500 team gets 1-2 extra wins. Then Wilson gets us 1-2 more. By the 3/4 mark people always start talking about us as a SB contender, and sometimes we even look like one until the playoffs start (recordwise, not in terms of actual dominance in games). As soon as we face a good team in the playoffs we are bound to lose, but it leads to enjoyment of the regular season and aspirations for playoff accomplishments.

That sells merch, tickets, and gets fans engaged. We don't have Paul anymore. We don't have an owner that will demand excellence. So getting rid of Pete does not mean a trade up. Jody seems content to keep her hand off the wheel, and we have to be thankful we still have a team...it could be worse.

We have a team that we can enjoy in the regular season and need to be realistic that while a few fixes would make it great. Those fixes are not coming and neither is postseason success.



* (Pete had a hand building the LOB, so credit where credit is due. But without them, he will never win anything of measure in the playoffs. He just isn't a capable enough Xs and Os guy and he never hires coordinators that can address that gap.)

Agreed x1000!

True, true and even more true!

Not everyone can/want to see this though.

I think tons of people CAN see it, but fall into different camps. This post correctly acknowledges that firing Pete is very likely to result in the team not being as good, with a chance to see them improve.

It depends on whether you want to keep making the playoffs and hope they put it together, or are willing to risk ineptitude by firing a coach who gets you pretty much a guaranteed postseason appearance to hire another coach who you hope hits the ground running and is also the unicorn coach who faces no postseason hump.

Agreed x1000!

Also true, true and more true!

 

[Maelstrom787]

We need to be realistic.

Carroll is basically another Marty Schottenheimer.

Marty even had MartyBall. Pete has PeteBall. Besides the stupid toxic differential thing, they are cousins if not directly related philosophies.

Carroll was able to win because he had the LOB defense.* If Marty had one of those, he probably would have won a SB too.

That Charger team would not have made the playoffs without Marty. Marty would take whatever team you wanted to the playoffs, they would flame out immediately in the playoffs, kind of like Carroll tends to - but they would get there.

The thing is, without Marty, the Chargers don't even make the playoffs. And without Carroll, I suspect that the Seahawks would fall off the map too.

If you think Wilson can carry a team given the chance, then you feel it is worth it otherwise. Wilson hasn't shown he can be consistent though.

We need to be realistic that we won our SB. I wanted at least one more divisional playoff win. Just one. And maybe, if I am greedy a competitive conference playoff game, even if we lost. But that is not going to happen.

Carroll has a system that makes us look better than we are. It works against bottom-half teams. Assuring what is normally a .500 team gets 1-2 extra wins. Then Wilson gets us 1-2 more. By the 3/4 mark people always start talking about us as a SB contender, and sometimes we even look like one until the playoffs start (recordwise, not in terms of actual dominance in games). As soon as we face a good team in the playoffs we are bound to lose, but it leads to enjoyment of the regular season and aspirations for playoff accomplishments.

That sells merch, tickets, and gets fans engaged. We don't have Paul anymore. We don't have an owner that will demand excellence. So getting rid of Pete does not mean a trade up. Jody seems content to keep her hand off the wheel, and we have to be thankful we still have a team...it could be worse.

We have a team that we can enjoy in the regular season and need to be realistic that while a few fixes would make it great. Those fixes are not coming and neither is postseason success.



* (Pete had a hand building the LOB, so credit where credit is due. But without them, he will never win anything of measure in the playoffs. He just isn't a capable enough Xs and Os guy and he never hires coordinators that can address that gap.)

Agreed x1000!

True, true and even more true!

Not everyone can/want to see this though.

I think tons of people CAN see it, but fall into different camps. This post correctly acknowledges that firing Pete is very likely to result in the team not being as good, with a chance to see them improve.

It depends on whether you want to keep making the playoffs and hope they put it together, or are willing to risk ineptitude by firing a coach who gets you pretty much a guaranteed postseason appearance to hire another coach who you hope hits the ground running and is also the unicorn coach who faces no postseason hump.

Agreed x1000!

Also true, true and more true!

At least this is better than the dead offseason board, lol. The divide into (largely) two camps has been interesting to see and take part in.

 

[keasley45]

We need to be realistic.

Carroll is basically another Marty Schottenheimer.

Marty even had MartyBall. Pete has PeteBall. Besides the stupid toxic differential thing, they are cousins if not directly related philosophies.

Carroll was able to win because he had the LOB defense.* If Marty had one of those, he probably would have won a SB too.

That Charger team would not have made the playoffs without Marty. Marty would take whatever team you wanted to the playoffs, they would flame out immediately in the playoffs, kind of like Carroll tends to - but they would get there.

The thing is, without Marty, the Chargers don't even make the playoffs. And without Carroll, I suspect that the Seahawks would fall off the map too.

If you think Wilson can carry a team given the chance, then you feel it is worth it otherwise. Wilson hasn't shown he can be consistent though.

We need to be realistic that we won our SB. I wanted at least one more divisional playoff win. Just one. And maybe, if I am greedy a competitive conference playoff game, even if we lost. But that is not going to happen.

Carroll has a system that makes us look better than we are. It works against bottom-half teams. Assuring what is normally a .500 team gets 1-2 extra wins. Then Wilson gets us 1-2 more. By the 3/4 mark people always start talking about us as a SB contender, and sometimes we even look like one until the playoffs start (recordwise, not in terms of actual dominance in games). As soon as we face a good team in the playoffs we are bound to lose, but it leads to enjoyment of the regular season and aspirations for playoff accomplishments.

That sells merch, tickets, and gets fans engaged. We don't have Paul anymore. We don't have an owner that will demand excellence. So getting rid of Pete does not mean a trade up. Jody seems content to keep her hand off the wheel, and we have to be thankful we still have a team...it could be worse.

We have a team that we can enjoy in the regular season and need to be realistic that while a few fixes would make it great. Those fixes are not coming and neither is postseason success.



* (Pete had a hand building the LOB, so credit where credit is due. But without them, he will never win anything of measure in the playoffs. He just isn't a capable enough Xs and Os guy and he never hires coordinators that can address that gap.)

This is so spot on. Hard to believe some people cant realize it.

I agree with a lot of this but im not so sure that I'm so ready to qualify Pete as Marty 2.0. Yes, we won our superbowls with an incredible defense. But its not as though he was gifted that team. He built it and Marty was never able to do that. And yes, we had Lynch, but who went out and got Lynch because he thought the O needed to have balance and lean on the run. Pete did.

And as much as we're lambasting the dude for being responsible for the teams current doldrums, I dont see it entirely that way because i think the last 3 seasons with Schotty were all a concerted attempt to see if Russ could do something other than what brought the team success prior. the answer? No. and there's no blame there, but i think a simple realization that Russ can do Russ like things, but he cant do Brady things, or Rodgers things is welcomed. and smart.

So scrap the idea of forcing a methodical pocket passer that can bleed a defense slowly down the field with his quick reads and release. Thats not him and certainly not him in the short game. And thats ok. You know who else didnt throw for 400 yards and 4tds a game? Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, or, dare i say it, Big Ben (he had two off the charts
years in 2014 and 18 but has never thrown more than 34 tds in a season. But they all had great running games and were elevated by the overall quality of their respective teams... as Russ was prior to not having a great defense or running game.

Pete Carol can build a team.

The defense is absolutely trending in the right direction and i feel will be better next year than it was over the last half this season.

the running game was good mostly, great when chris could stay on the field, but not dynamic. and often hobbled. So they need to go out and get a runner or complimentary runners for the backfield.

And Russ is a better, more seasoned QB now than in 2015, so the play from that spot should be better if the system around him (running, blocking, and receivers are good). I think we have a great WR corp. The TEs could use some help but they were underutilized this year and next year we get to see Parkinson. The o-line i think is good enough IF we can get a consistent run game churning.

So the QB is better than when we won our SB by virtue of his additional experience.

The defense finished tops toward the end of the season and should be better next year (yup, i'm ok with Griffen walking).

The o-line, respectable

And most importantly, assuming we can find the RB to unlock the system, a return to a fresh take on an old identity, with better WR play, a serviceable O-line, a dynamic defense, and a qb that can drop back and not be forced into doing what he isnt great at... seems entirely reasonable that this team can be back in the dance soon.

You guys seems to forget that around 12 months ago we were two injured RBS and a dropped 3rd down away from beating GB and facing the 9ers in the NFC championship game. And that was before Russ went on his cooking spree.

 

[Fade]

The Packers seem to be doing fine after firing McCarthy, I would expect the same from the Seahawks. JS would hire a great coach, and they would continue winning with their future HoF QB under center.

 

[seahawks08]

This team is so unpredictable. We make a run at the wrong times build so much excitement and then plays a vanilla game against a beat up team with half a QB. Our drafts seems hit and miss, we trade for super stars and then we live in poverty with nothing to look forward to. There is very little folks like Marshawn who can run and grind. The running back by committee never works if a single runner doesn’t get established. The featured running back gets beat up early in the season that is hard to sustain. We have great veterans in defense who are a tad bit slow and the young inexpensive fast players are sometimes liable. So in a nutshell the best way forward would be to start a major rebuild and make some serious roster moves to make this team better in two years with some strong real OLs and DLs who can roll over people if that’s the style Pete wants. Then the question would be why pay a QB 37 million dollars if he just hands off the ball.You either spread the wealth and make more skilled team or pay a few and show case them and make them successful. The philosophy, the Capital we currently doesn’t fit well. I am sure everyone understands this, I just hope the decision makers are not stubborn to make this team relevant. If we can’t dominate in our division, we will remain the way we have been.

 

[Hawaii-hawk]

this piece or that piece, structure, restructure, it’s all a moot point because personnel has never been our issue. It’s scheme, adjustments, unpredictability and preparedness to play 4 quarters, not 1 or 2.

In those 4 crucial categories, we get a big ol F grade in all of them. And that is all coaching

 

[AgentDib]

The McCarthy/Carroll comparison is not a great one IMO. The Hawks offense struggled in late 2020 and the Packers offense struggled in late 2018.. and that's where all of the similarities end. The differences are so stark that I suspect people making this connection are aware of how disingenuous it is and are just throwing dirt at a wall to see what sticks.

- McCarthy was the offensive head coach in charge of a struggling offense. He not only designed the entire offense but had play calling duties for most of his tenure until they were taken away from him, and he was fired after a 6 win season during which he had had a falling out with Aaron Rodgers.

- Carroll is a defensive minded head coach who won 12 games last season, has a good relationship with his QB, and just fired his offensive coordinator who was responsible for an offense that slumped at the end of the year, but still set franchise highs in many marks, including a career QBR high for Russ.

 

[Rule]

Mark Walton had his charges dropped in march. Just sayin.. look at his highlights.

 

[olyfan63]

If they steal a Shanny disciple off of the Rams, 49ers, Vikings, Packers, or Browns. (I think that covers them all, lol.)

They could very well win a playoff game, if not more. What makes that system so lethal besides the effective running game no matter who the runningback is. Is the bootaction pass game that comes off of it. It is literally perfect for Russell Wilson's skillset.

The Seahawks rolled Wilson out 0 times on 35 dropbacks against the Rams. ZERO. Pathetic.

This system perfectly blends the rungame and the pass game, and they compliment each other. Seattle currently plays with 2 offenses. A spread it out hurry up attack, where Wilson dictates the tempo, usually only implemented in 2min situations, and when they are trailing in the 4th qtr. and Pete Ball. It's as disjointed as they come.

I will have a new found optimism, if they can get an outside zone, boot scheme in place.

Brilliant post, and especially that stat of rolling Wilson out ZERO times on 35 dropbacks vs the Rams, beyond pathetic. The offense mostly struggled from the 4th qtr of the first Cardinals game through the rest of the season, and only a total, unexpected turnaround by the D kept the Hawks on the winning track.

How Schotty could fail to adjust by rolling Wilson out regularly, fail to use RB screens, just in general fail to adjust and go 2/14 on 3rd downs... at some point, it's the OC that has to accept the responsibility for putting his weapons in position to be successful. The pick 6 was 100% on Schotty for being so predictable the D could know what was coming and jump it. In Schotty's defense, we did get some good looks for our TEs, who then had some blatant uncharacteristic drops, Hollister and Dissly, I think both for first downs.

I say it's a smarter bet to stick with Pete and hope he finds an OC who can put Russell in better position to succeed, and most importantly, adjust faster and better to opponents, and have a little more unpredictability to keep defenses guessing.

Your concept of a Shanahan disciple is a great one, and I mean *Mike* Shanahan, as in Shanahan Sr., of whom Kyle is most definitely a disciple. Going back to the years of years of M. Shanahan's Denver Broncos, their offense turned seemingly any random back into 1,500 and 2,000 yard rushers. Yes, the great Terrell Davis, but also guys like Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, etc. Though I'm sure it would be something like the evolution of M. Shanahan's zone blocking scheme, more like what K. Shanahan runs, and adapted to today's rules.

Russell was starting to show "Battered QB Syndrome" the latter part of the season, and it was massively on display vs. the Rams. I'm going to put that more on Schotty than on Russell. Russell couldn't trust his protection, and Schotty didn't adjust, just kept setting Russell up to get battered.

Pete does adjust and reinvent himself, and is really all about winning, and will change if he thinks it improves his chances to win. He tried letting Russ cook. It worked for a few games. Once opposing defenses adjusted (other D's got lots better midseason too) Schotty didn't seem to have his own repertoire of counter-adjustments. I think Pete is probably at a point where he's willing to take what opposing D's are giving instead of the rubbish "impose our will" crap that we don't always have the horses to run.

Damn I hope we get a good OC who does things enough Pete's way to get the job and has the ability to game plan based on opponents and to adjust in-game. Schotty got his ass handed to him a couple too many times, and seemingly in the same way each time. Giants, Schotty cost us HFA. Rams, ended our season. Schotty did call some great games, and it's a bit harsh to overly scapegoat him, but it's the NFL, and what have you done for me lately, like in the last 2 quarters.

ZERO for 35 rollouts and 2 for 14 on 3rd down are very damning statistics for an OC, especially in a home playoff game. Ultimately it was the OC predictability that led to the pick-6 that was really the difference in the game. Schotty was the weakest accountable link.