Is Robinson next?

[Renohawk]

I love the guy, but after reading this article, does it makes sense.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/take2/201 ... xpendable/

 

[Danny Darko]

i really don't see his blocking as that expendable no matter how many talented backs we have.

 

[TheWalrus]

I like Ware and hope he makes the team but he doesn't look like much of a 'true' fullback. Bates and Coleman to me, are not going to cut the mustard at FB. Unless they are planning to reduce the use of a fullback, I still see Robinson as pretty darn important.

 

[FlyingGreg]

Hawkblogger has been pushing this Robinson agenda all summer. It actually makes no sense...

Robinson is way too critical to our running game. And I disagree with how casually Hawkblogger dismisses Robinson's leadership. You worry about cap decisions AFTER the Super Bowl run season. There's no reason to release one of your critical players to save cap dollars right before the season.

You also don't plug in unproven "pre-season heroes" like Coleman or Ware, neither of whom have played a down in a regular season NFL game and both of whom are experiments at FB.

Hawkblogger has a tendency to get a little holier-than-thou and reckless at times.

 

[Subzero717]

I think he stays through this year at minimum.

 

[jammerhawk]

I think he stays, and the article is speculative at best.

The team has a great running combo in Lynch and MRob. JS won't lightly cut Robinson who is a Pro Bowl quality FB with excellent ST value, lose a known value for a young player of mostly unknown ability.

 

[seahawks08]

I agree, his leadership skills are critical to the locker room, his blocking skills are important and so is his need for Marshawn to follow. They may try to restructure to make it 1.8 mil this year and save 700 k but I don't think year it will happen

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

A little dismissive of Robinsons effectiveness I would say. His logic is sound, but as FlyingGreg mentioned you don't just go rushing head long into a potential Superbowl season by eliminating the lead blocker for the 2nd most productive Running attack in the league. It could happen, it will happen (eventually) but not before the start of this season.

 

[themunn]

You worry about cap decisions AFTER the Super Bowl run season. There's no reason to release one of your critical players to save cap dollars right before the season.

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Everyone is so keen on cutting players now to make cap space to carry over to next season so we can resign Sherman, Wilson, Tate and whomever else

That sounds all good and well, but what if (god forbid) one of those three was to suffer an unfortunate incident such as that which happened to Dustin Keller. You've cut a quality veteran player and all of a sudden you've got absolutely nothing to show for it but useless cap space. Great.

So yeah, Robinson is the 3rd highest paid fullback in the league. You expect that when you've got the 3rd best running game in the league (going by yards gained last year).

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Moffitt, no big deal at all. Robinson, flat out stupid move.

 

[hawker84]

MRob is a must at fullback this season IMO, not just his blocking and recieving out of the backfield, but his leadership on and off the field is irreplacable at this point. I can't see him going anywhere this season.

 

[hawk79]

If we DO get rid of him, I'd rather they tried to trade him for draft picks. However, having said that, I'd rather keep him. He has built great report with Lynch and that usually takes a few years of playing together. I just don't think you mess with that at this critical point. Yes, it would be cheaper to keep a rookie or UDFA, but, I really think we are going to need his leadership and what he brings to the team as far as playing his position goes.

 

[hawk79]

MRob is a must at fullback this season IMO, not just his blocking and recieving out of the backfield, but his leadership on and off the field is irreplacable at this point. I can't see him going anywhere this season.

100% agreed!!!!!

 

[Sarlacc83]

It's not happening. Coleman/Ware aren't upgrades to the position, and Seattle does right by its guys. - rewarding those who play well and buy in. Moreover, the team would only save a few million in rollover money, which isn't exactly going to break the bank when it comes to resigning other guys. If money's the issue, then you have to look at Rice and Miller restructuring for the good of the team, not cutting one of our top tier talents.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The chemistry in the backfield between him and Lynch can't just all the sudden be replaced and/or replicated. It doesn't work like that. The running game would suffer big time imo.

 

[NYCoug]

Hawkblogger has been pushing this Robinson agenda all summer. It actually makes no sense...

Robinson is way too critical to our running game. And I disagree with how casually Hawkblogger dismisses Robinson's leadership. You worry about cap decisions AFTER the Super Bowl run season. There's no reason to release one of your critical players to save cap dollars right before the season.

You also don't plug in unproven "pre-season heroes" like Coleman or Ware, neither of whom have played a down in a regular season NFL game and both of whom are experiments at FB.

Hawkblogger has a tendency to get a little holier-than-thou and reckless at times.

I was literally going to post something almost word for word like this, Greg. Once I saw the name "Brian Nemhauser" as the author, I refused to even read the piece. This dude just wants to be right about the Hawks cutting Mike Rob. He wants to be able to say that he was there from the beginning on Mike Rob getting cut train. He sounds almost enthusiastic about the possibility. I pray to the heavens that it doesn't happen, otherwise this dude's ego will be on super levels. I've never been a fan of his because of exactly that last sentence, Greg. It makes me not give a damn about any of the stuff he writes. Self-promoters are one of my least favorite types of people on this earth, save for Richard Sherman of course :th2thumbs: , but that's what Nemhauser is and I could care less what he thinks about Robinson and his safety on the 53 Man roster. He might put in the work and know a few things about the team, but who cares we all do, that's why we're on this site 24/7 discussing things. Also, guys like Pete and John know WAYYY much more about the effects of Robinson's leadership and other things in the locker room.

I can't wait til the season actually starts and the sideshow dissipates.

 

[Shadowhawk]

You worry about cap decisions AFTER the Super Bowl run season. There's no reason to release one of your critical players to save cap dollars right before the season.

This
Everyone is so keen on cutting players now to make cap space to carry over to next season so we can resign Sherman, Wilson, Tate and whomever else

That sounds all good and well, but what if (god forbid) one of those three was to suffer an unfortunate incident such as that which happened to Dustin Keller. You've cut a quality veteran player and all of a sudden you've got absolutely nothing to show for it but useless cap space. Great.

So yeah, Robinson is the 3rd highest paid fullback in the league. You expect that when you've got the 3rd best running game in the league (going by yards gained last year).

The problem is that we do have a lot of big contracts coming and will need to be proactive if we are going to keep those guys. You mention what would happen if one of our upcoming big money guys gets hurt, but turn it around and ask yourself what happens if they don't? What if we lose out on a Sherman or an Okung because we didn't clear out enough cap room to re-sign them? Even if your scenario, the extra cap space would be beneficial in helping Seattle bring in a replacement, whether it's a free agent Band-Aid or a longer term prospect. Cap space is never "useless."

Let me be clear that I'm not advocating cutting Robinson this year. I think the damage done to the locker room but cutting a guy like Rob (and doing so this late when he would have a hard time finding another job) outweighs the cap savings. This year. I think he is gone next year simply because we won't have a choice, and I think there are going to be some particular painful cuts over the next few seasons as our slew of big contract extensions come due.

So no, I don't believe Robinson will or should be cut this year. But I hope the team is at least thinking about it, because the benefit to the salary cap should not be ignored, and this front office had better be getting ready for the hard decisions they will have to make this year and next.

 

[FlyingGreg]

You worry about cap decisions AFTER the Super Bowl run season. There's no reason to release one of your critical players to save cap dollars right before the season.

This
Everyone is so keen on cutting players now to make cap space to carry over to next season so we can resign Sherman, Wilson, Tate and whomever else

That sounds all good and well, but what if (god forbid) one of those three was to suffer an unfortunate incident such as that which happened to Dustin Keller. You've cut a quality veteran player and all of a sudden you've got absolutely nothing to show for it but useless cap space. Great.

So yeah, Robinson is the 3rd highest paid fullback in the league. You expect that when you've got the 3rd best running game in the league (going by yards gained last year).

The problem is that we do have a lot of big contracts coming and will need to be proactive if we are going to keep those guys. You mention what would happen if one of our upcoming big money guys gets hurt, but turn it around and ask yourself what happens if they don't? What if we lose out on a Sherman or an Okung because we didn't clear out enough cap room to re-sign them? Even if your scenario, the extra cap space would be beneficial in helping Seattle bring in a replacement, whether it's a free agent Band-Aid or a longer term prospect. Cap space is never "useless."

Let me be clear that I'm not advocating cutting Robinson this year. I think the damage done to the locker room but cutting a guy like Rob (and doing so this late when he would have a hard time finding another job) outweighs the cap savings. This year. I think he is gone next year simply because we won't have a choice, and I think there are going to be some particular painful cuts over the next few seasons as our slew of big contract extensions come due.

So no, I don't believe Robinson will or should be cut this year. But I hope the team is at least thinking about it, because the benefit to the salary cap should not be ignored, and this front office had better be getting ready for the hard decisions they will have to make this year and next.

Very true - but the issue is timing. I expect several "name" players to be released after this season, because we are going to be up against the cap.

But right before the season when you are already under the cap and don't really need to worry about it until February at the earliest?

No.

 

[60niners]

MRob is a must at fullback this season IMO, not just his blocking and recieving out of the backfield, but his leadership on and off the field is irreplacable at this point. I can't see him going anywhere this season.

I know how you feel. We said the same thing. He was easily one of the fan's favorites, and we were pretty shocked to see Harbaugh let him walk.

I don't think there will be a drop off like you guys might expect though. The other players are still going to play, they still want to win. It's just something you have to move on from.

 

[sam1313]

there is an article on fieldvulls now re ware's problems at FB....