Is it really the WR's?

[aawolf]

When you have less than three seconds in the pocket, its first read, then scramble. Unless someone breaks open right in front of him while he's scrambling, the best option is to use your legs to move the chains. This is what RW does better than any QB in the league. If he had more time to go through his reads, he'd hit some of the wide open WRs that I've seen as well. That being said, he shouldn't have thrown to Rice instead of the WR in front of Rice in the Colts game and I'm sure you and I, and definitely RW sees several other plays where receivers were open down field that should have been thrown to. But, he protects the ball, moves the chains with his feet, and is deadly accurate when he has time. I'd take that all day long.

 

[Marlin Man]

As I have done the last few games,a nd you see ZERO seperation, then when he does catch a dink pass, he reaches out and fumbles it- the guy is aan overpaid clown. He has to go next year, they will cut him and his big time contract.

Kearse is about the only chance we have on present staff, if given more PT maybe he will get that seperation that is needed.???

M.M.

 

[CANHawk]

You have to be in charge of a nuclear powered aircraft carrier.

Greg laughs at the All-22. He watches game film from spy satellites with thermal imaging.

When you have less than three seconds in the pocket, its first read, then scramble. Unless someone breaks open right in front of him while he's scrambling, the best option is to use your legs to move the chains. This is what RW does better than any QB in the league. If he had more time to go through his reads, he'd hit some of the wide open WRs that I've seen as well. That being said, he shouldn't have thrown to Rice instead of the WR in front of Rice in the Colts game and I'm sure you and I, and definitely RW sees several other plays where receivers were open down field that should have been thrown to. But, he protects the ball, moves the chains with his feet, and is deadly accurate when he has time. I'd take that all day long.

Good points, but I saw on multiple occasions on Sunday RW rolling right, not running down field but was actively looking for somebody to throw to and had open recievers in his line of sight on the same side of the field. He made a concious decision to not throw to them and take off running or throw it away. After marinating on it for a little while, the only reasonable explanation for it is that he decided for whatever reason the throw was too risky and didn't want to risk a turn over.

...and I'm okay with that.

There will eventually come a time when we're down in games and are rallying to come back when we'll need Russell to save the day with his arm. When that time comes, I'm sure he will make those throws and a potential turn over will be worth the risk in the name of converting first downs because a W hangs in the ballance, but playing with a lead (or tied or down by a FG mid game) it's just not our MO to put the game in Russell's hands like that. We pound the rock and play great defense. We'll take a shot at the explosive back breaking play IF it's there, but if it's not I don't think we're going to see Russell force it. If we keep pounding the rock and playing great defense, we'll be pounding nails into opponents coffins by the 4th quarter.

 

[CANHawk]

As I have done the last few games,a nd you see ZERO seperation, then when he does catch a dink pass, he reaches out and fumbles it- the guy is aan overpaid clown. He has to go next year, they will cut him and his big time contract.

Kearse is about the only chance we have on present staff, if given more PT maybe he will get that seperation that is needed.???

M.M.

dafuq?

 

[TCS]

RW is such a film junkie that I'm positive he is seeing everything that is being discussed here, and more. The film the players watch shows the whole field. Does anyone here at .net believe that RW isn't seeing this stuff while watching game tape? He's one smart cookie, and I'm sure he'll figure it out. Anyone ever thought that maybe RW is making the decision to be conservative with his throws? Trusting the D, trusting himself to make it happen when next he has the ball in his hands? He's been pretty spectacular at the end of games when it's all on the line (When the D hasn't been completely stout). We've seen him win games for us on more than one occasion when he lets it all hang out. The philosophy seems to be to play smart and safe unless otherwise necessary. Sure, it's not the most exciting offensive philosophy. But if you're winning games, what does it matter?

Go Hawks!

tcs

 

[SoulfishHawk]

VERY easy to sit in the stands and/or watch on TV and say that a QB should have seen someone open etc.

 

[HawkMeat]

VERY easy to sit in the stands and/or watch on TV and say that a QB should have seen someone open etc.

Exactly. In the stands we get the view of the entire field. On the field view is obstructed or DB's not just in view on some throws.

 

[DavidSeven]

They are playing safeties 30-40 yards off the LOS. If you think you see an open receiver beyond 20 yards, please keep in mind there is a dude chilling back there waiting to sprint toward any deep pass. The deep safety is literally removing himself from defending any potential run/QB scramble. And that's why you've been seeing so much of that and why Marshawn and Russell have been gashing people with their feet.

Look how far back the deep safety is playing (from FieldGulls):

 

[SoulfishHawk]

5-1, and still w/out Harvin, and numerous o-lineman missing games.

 

[FlyingGreg]

I you watch the All-22, you will see open receivers more often than not.

How can I view film like that?

Film, not like the limited view TV coverage?

Thanks.

It's available through the NFL Game Rewind app via NFL.com.

 

[NFSeahawks]

5-1, and still w/out Harvin, and numerous o-lineman missing games.

.... thanks for adding to this thread. This isn't about our record or anything else it was posted purely for discussion, so if you could keep the posts on topic It'd be appreciated.

 

[NFSeahawks]

They are playing safeties 30-40 yards off the LOS. If you think you see an open receiver beyond 20 yards, please keep in mind there is a dude chilling back there waiting to sprint toward any deep pass. The deep safety is literally removing himself from defending any potential run/QB scramble. And that's why you've been seeing so much of that and why Marshawn and Russell have been gashing people with their feet.

Look how far back the deep safety is playing (from FieldGulls):

Thoughtful post, I can understand what your saying from the photos provided and what you wrote. It's interesting to me that a team would play deep like that considering Seattle has a pretty potent running game and RW. Even in that first photo though it looks like the WR in the middle would be open for about a 15-20 yard strike if the play continues as it appears and the bottom receiver removes that CB. Obviously anything more than that would allow the safety to move up and cause problems.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'll post how I want to NFS, don't like it, oh well. My point is that with all this talk about separation, if it's a problem with the WR's etc. it's not keeping them from posting a 5-1 record. And they will be adding Harvin, that is on topic.

 

[aawolf]

They are playing safeties 30-40 yards off the LOS. If you think you see an open receiver beyond 20 yards, please keep in mind there is a dude chilling back there waiting to sprint toward any deep pass. The deep safety is literally removing himself from defending any potential run/QB scramble. And that's why you've been seeing so much of that and why Marshawn and Russell have been gashing people with their feet.

Look how far back the deep safety is playing (from FieldGulls):

Thoughtful post, I can understand what your saying from the photos provided and what you wrote. It's interesting to me that a team would play deep like that considering Seattle has a pretty potent running game and RW. Even in that first photo though it looks like the WR in the middle would be open for about a 15-20 yard strike if the play continues as it appears and the bottom receiver removes that CB. Obviously anything more than that would allow the safety to move up and cause problems.

It was posted in the long-ball thread, but Wilson is one of the top QBs in the league at launching passes of 20 yards or more (following only Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers). He's put up one per quarter, which keeps defenses honest on playing deep routes.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Hopefully they'll get Okung and Breno back soon, he obviously needs a lot more time back there to scan the field, like any other quarterback.
I wonder sometimes if he has that internal clock going because he's so used to running for his life in a lot of the games. His decision making is outstanding though, he doesn't make me nervous when he's out there, as far as that side of things.

 

[NFSeahawks]

I'll post how I want to NFS, don't like it, oh well. My point is that with all this talk about separation, if it's a problem with the WR's etc. it's not keeping them from posting a 5-1 record. And they will be adding Harvin, that is on topic.

No problem, I wasn't sure if you were mad that I posted a thread that was questioning what was happening on the field. I'm very proud of my Hawks at 5-1, just think there are always things that can be worked on EVEN at 5-1. Theres also been a lot of discussion blaming the WR's for lack of separation, when thats obviously not the entire story.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I hear you bro, don't mind me. Let's just say I'm a little "wound up" about tonight. My wife says I get grumpy and intense on game day :thirishdrinkers:


I would like to just see a full o-line on the field together for a few games, they flat out need that consistency going into the second half of the season. McQuistan is painful to watch, to say the least. They need Okung back big time. By far the most important position on the line, especially to protect RW. Fingers crossed he gets back and stays back, and soon.

 

[Throwdown]

They are playing safeties 30-40 yards off the LOS. If you think you see an open receiver beyond 20 yards, please keep in mind there is a dude chilling back there waiting to sprint toward any deep pass. The deep safety is literally removing himself from defending any potential run/QB scramble. And that's why you've been seeing so much of that and why Marshawn and Russell have been gashing people with their feet.

Look how far back the deep safety is playing (from FieldGulls):

I don't see a open receiver ANYWHERE on here.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I don't see a open receiver ANYWHERE on here.

That's the point.

 

[Throwdown]

I know, i just hate our receivers aside from Harvin cuz I have no reason to, Baldwin, and Kearse lol.