Is Clowney re-signed?

[Appyhawk]

I posted Clowney's contract details, but screwed up and put it on the wrong thread. My bad.
Anyway, he is signed for a one year deal @ 15M, but Texas picked up the tab on the bonus, which is about half that. So I'm guessing his new deal negotiation would start at 15 and see what happens.
AS for him not being "the kind of player" you build a defense around, his position is a cornerstone of the foundation for a solid defense. The entire D line is the foundation. You build around that.

 

[sdog1981]

AS for him not being "the kind of player" you build a defense around, his position is a cornerstone of the foundation for a solid defense. The entire D line is the foundation. You build around that.

He is not a D lineman. He rushes off the edge sometimes, they rush him up the middle some times. He just plays all over the defense and causes a few matches up problems sometimes. Teams scheme him out of games all the time.

In Houston, he played with two pass rushers that would take up four blockers every play with Withney Merciless and JJ Watt. Clowney would disappear for weeks.

 

[IndyHawk]

I don't know outside of that one 49ers game has he been worth 20 million? Probably more talented then anyone in the league but Arik Armstead, Yannick Ngakoue, Chris Jones might be more productive for similar or less money. Signing Armstead would be taking from within the division too.

Do you see how many double and triple teams Clowney deals with?
I'd sign one of other guys to make sacks which should've been happening
anyway just because of JC.
He's a beast among men on that line.

What game were you watching? He barely got doubled at all...

Here is a recap of his pass rushing vs the 49ere. Note, no holding on Joe Staley's part and no double teams present like at all.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrandonThorn ... 9270596609

I'm talking of a bunch of games before he got hurt..
I guess I have to clarify this since he looked average
last weekend.
He was trying though,I didn't see a quitter or taking plays
off.

 

[sdog1981]

I'm talking of a bunch of games before he got hurt..
I guess I have to clarify this since he looked average
last weekend.
He was trying though,I didn't see a quitter or taking plays
off.

The NFL is inherently unfair. Yes, Clowney never quit, but his body quit on him and that is why the team should wish him all the luck in his future endeavors.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'm talking of a bunch of games before he got hurt..
I guess I have to clarify this since he looked average
last weekend.
He was trying though,I didn't see a quitter or taking plays
off.

The NFL is inherently unfair. Yes, Clowney never quit, but his body quit on him and that is why the team should wish him all the luck in his future endeavors.

I think if we can get Clowney at around 20M for 3-4 years, then I'm fine with rolling the dice on his injuries........and honestly EVERY team in the NFL is going to have the same reservations we do, so if he and his agent think they're going to break the bank and surpass what Frank Clark got with even more guaranteed money?

I can't imagine another teams would pay that for Clowney, who is a game wrecker and a very good three down DE, but he's not a 15+ sack a year DE................so IMO we've got a good shot at signing him.

 

[BoltonWanderer]

I like Clowney but I don't think he's worth the sort of money he'll ask for and will get elsewhere. Everyone loved his performance against the 49ers but the media became obsessed with it and thought that was his par game when in reality, it was by far the best performance from him all season. 3 sacks all year just isn't enough and whilst I get the argument about being double teamed, so are all the best players.

That said, I do think Clowney would be better under better coaching. I'm not a fan of Norton at all, I think he needs to go but whilst I'd expect Clowney to be better in an improved system, he still should have performed better individually throughout the season in order to warrant a massive payday.

 

[Tical21]

Man, I hope not. I'd be in for about 10 mil, tops. We need guys that can get sacks. I get that he does a lot of cool stuff and collapses the pocket and is really, really good at pushing the tackle a few feet backwards, but you don't make that skillset the highest paid player on your defense.

 

[Tical21]

I like Clowney but I don't think he's worth the sort of money he'll ask for and will get elsewhere. Everyone loved his performance against the 49ers but the media became obsessed with it and thought that was his par game when in reality, it was by far the best performance from him all season. 3 sacks all year just isn't enough and whilst I get the argument about being double teamed, so are all the best players.

That said, I do think Clowney would be better under better coaching. I'm not a fan of Norton at all, I think he needs to go but whilst I'd expect Clowney to be better in an improved system, he still should have performed better individually throughout the season in order to warrant a massive payday.

Solid.

 

[chris98251]

I like Clowney but I don't think he's worth the sort of money he'll ask for and will get elsewhere. Everyone loved his performance against the 49ers but the media became obsessed with it and thought that was his par game when in reality, it was by far the best performance from him all season. 3 sacks all year just isn't enough and whilst I get the argument about being double teamed, so are all the best players.

That said, I do think Clowney would be better under better coaching. I'm not a fan of Norton at all, I think he needs to go but whilst I'd expect Clowney to be better in an improved system, he still should have performed better individually throughout the season in order to warrant a massive payday.

Not Norton, Hurtt I think is how it is spelt is the D line guy, that needs to be looked at also.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

That said, I do think Clowney would be better under better coaching. I'm not a fan of Norton at all, I think he needs to go but whilst I'd expect Clowney to be better in an improved system, he still should have performed better individually throughout the season in order to warrant a massive payday.

Clowney himself would disagree with you.

He's said in interviews that he's learned things in Seattle that he was never taught in Houston, specifically about technique.

Norton's a good coach, if we're pointing at issues with the defense I don't think he's part of the problem. Talent is #1. Other than Clowney and Diggs, and maybe Bobby, who are the playmakers, the elite defenders on the defense?

Just a bunch of bodies.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I think we drag our feet on this signing as much as is reasonable for his health reasons. Core injuries are tricky as it is, and we don't know the extent of how this affects him until he has the surgery that he says he needs to have.

I'd actually prefer to wait on that until after minicamp and training camp. How else are we suppose to evaluate how things are going?

 

[chris98251]

We have had a rash of core injuries, Prosise, Pocic, Clowney I know I am missing someone, Lynch also at one time, they take a while to get back from it seems, well Prosise had his for a while and tried to play through it so possibly that was an outlier. Regardless I think they have the recovery aspect down pretty well by now.

 

[Largent80]

Why is this even a question now?....We're still playing games. This is to be handled after playing is completed.

The guy is playing through injuries and will have surgery after done playing.

That is when evaluation will happen , not today.

 

[QuickLightning]

Man, I hope not. I'd be in for about 10 mil, tops. We need guys that can get sacks. I get that he does a lot of cool stuff and collapses the pocket and is really, really good at pushing the tackle a few feet backwards, but you don't make that skillset the highest paid player on your defense.

Clowney is an unrestricted free agent and part of the trade agreement was a promise to NOT tag him.

Dude is going for $24MM+. He's getting more than Demarcus Lawrence. I'd say Lawrence is the STARTING POINT for Clowney negotiations.

 

[Largent80]

Man, I hope not. I'd be in for about 10 mil, tops. We need guys that can get sacks. I get that he does a lot of cool stuff and collapses the pocket and is really, really good at pushing the tackle a few feet backwards, but you don't make that skillset the highest paid player on your defense.

Clowney is an unrestricted free agent and part of the trade agreement was a promise to NOT tag him.

Dude is going for $24MM+. He's getting more than Demarcus Lawrence. I'd say Lawrence is the STARTING POINT for Clowney negotiations.

NO he isn't. He's injured and has a long history of injuries. If he gets 20 he'll be lucky.

 

[KitsapGuy]

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[Sgt. Largent]

Man, I hope not. I'd be in for about 10 mil, tops. We need guys that can get sacks. I get that he does a lot of cool stuff and collapses the pocket and is really, really good at pushing the tackle a few feet backwards, but you don't make that skillset the highest paid player on your defense.

Clowney is an unrestricted free agent and part of the trade agreement was a promise to NOT tag him.

Dude is going for $24MM+. He's getting more than Demarcus Lawrence. I'd say Lawrence is the STARTING POINT for Clowney negotiations.

NO he isn't. He's injured and has a long history of injuries. If he gets 20 he'll be lucky.

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Those are games played in since Clowney's rookie season. So "long history of injuries?" Nope.

You'd take 80%+ snaps from any front line defensive starter.

 

[jdc90]

It was Clowney's choice to come here and he has not made it a secret he loves it here. I really HOPE he comes back, but sometimes piles of money have a way of changing the way folks see things. Clowney is a game changing talent.

Clowney is a South Carolina native and back in 2014 shortly before he was drafted he specifically mentioned the Falcons as a desired destination but of course ATL is near his home but I suspect he'll be like msot players considering offers and go with the most compensation
If it wasn't for his injury history and therefor the uncertainly about his future the Texans would have locked him up on a long-term deal some time ago. And as such a high profile player the whole league knows his injury history so it will be fascinating to see what kind of a deal JD Clowney ultimately realizes ?
He is a tremendous talent and when he 's healthy, when he's on, he's a formidable football player. So just as in the Draft it only takes one team to move way up and maybe overpay for a valued prospect, I suspect there will be atleast one team in the upcoming free agency that will be willing to roll the dice on Clowney.

 

[Largent80]

Man, I hope not. I'd be in for about 10 mil, tops. We need guys that can get sacks. I get that he does a lot of cool stuff and collapses the pocket and is really, really good at pushing the tackle a few feet backwards, but you don't make that skillset the highest paid player on your defense.

Clowney is an unrestricted free agent and part of the trade agreement was a promise to NOT tag him.

Dude is going for $24MM+. He's getting more than Demarcus Lawrence. I'd say Lawrence is the STARTING POINT for Clowney negotiations.

NO he isn't. He's injured and has a long history of injuries. If he gets 20 he'll be lucky.

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This year Zero...as in 0 , or for the impaired NONE as in he got no sacks

Those are games played in since Clowney's rookie season. So "long history of injuries?" Nope.

You'd take 80%+ snaps from any front line defensive starter.

The guy had microfracture surgery and bucked the odds and was able to perform after.

He has often been injured since then. Hard to say he can stay healthy and be reliable going forward.

 

[Appyhawk]

"Hard to say he can stay healthy and be reliable going forward."

That is something you can say about every single guy playing in the NFL. They all know it too. Everyone knows the stats on average career lifespan. That's exactly why they all look for that big contract where one year sets them up for life.