Is Bobo better than Dareke Young?

[olyfan63]

They can keep both and release MVS instead. Speaking of MVS, nothing like a speedy receiver who can't catch. It's like putting a cone on the field and hope it stops the pass rush. The top 3 receivers are JSN, Kupp, and Horton. Right now, I have Young, Bobo, and Ricky White ahead of MVS.

Ricky White, did you mean Cody White or Ricky Bobby? Or is this Ricky White the love child of Ricky Proehl and Cody White? The IVF biolabs in Bellevue strike again?

 

[Appyhawk]

Ricky White, did you mean Cody White or Ricky Bobby? Or is this Ricky White the love child of Ricky Proehl and Cody White? The IVF biolabs in Bellevue strike again?

I assume he refers to Whitelll the ROOKIE from UNLV who, besides his WR exploits, blocked 4 kicks on ST last year.

 

[toffee]

Cones do stop cars. One time on a jobsite, just for the heckuvit we put a bunch cones out in a parking lot just to mess with stupid drivers and they all got confused until we got caught and had to move them. It was a great waste of time

We used cones to learn drifts, power oversteer, and Scandinavian flicks.

 

[getnasty]

Hm...It seems your historical knowledge of the Seahawks is somewhat limited. I'm guessing you weren't around when Brian Bosworth was playing. Bosworth is the most overrated and overhyped player in Seahawks history and it's really not close.

While I'm obviously exaggerating a touch but Bobo will definitely be up there. The Boz was before my time and while maybe overrated I always believed his problems were more injury related.

 

[Torc]

Most teams have a couple of slots reserved for special teams players (beyond the kickers and long snapper). Bobo and/or Young could very well be on the team in one of those slots even apart from their receiving skills.

As far as Bobo's speed....that's an overblown story. According to Field Gulls:

Bobo’s startlingly slow 40-time needs some context. UCLA had a rainy pro day and since Bobo didn’t go to the combine, that’s all we got to work with. Rainy conditions are (unsurprisingly) not conductive to running your best, fastest times. He’s probably not a 4.5 or 4.6 guy but 4.99 clearly doesn’t match his tape. I bet Bobo is somewhere in the 4.7s, which is still not fast for the position, but not “you’re in the wrong position” slow.

He is clearly fast enough to catch passes. He's fast enough to be a very good blocker in the run game - I would wager that Kubiak is arguing for him for that exact reason. He's a superb route runner - when you look at film he's losing faster DBs. It doesn't matter how fast the DB if he's moving the wrong direction.

 

[bsuhawk]

While I'm obviously exaggerating a touch but Bobo will definitely be up there. The Boz was before my time and while maybe overrated I always believed his problems were more injury related.

Brian Bosworth was a two time Butkus Award winner and an absolute beast at Oklahoma. The Seahawks selected him in the first round of the 1987 supplemental draft, which, if I remember correctly, cost them their first round pick in the next regular NFL draft. The Seahawks signed him to a record ten year, 11 million dollar rookie contract. It turned out that the college monster was a product of steroid abuse while at Oklahoma. The NFL version of Bosworth (minus the steroids) was an undersized LB with average speed, poor instincts, and poor coverage skills. His most notable play in the NFL was getting trucked by Bo Jackson at the goal line his rookie year.

And yes, Bosworth's career was cut short because of injuries. The team doctor at the time said something to the effect that Bosworth was a 25 year old with the shoulders of a 60 year old. However, this was primarily do to a combination of his steroid use and improper weight lifting while in college, which destroyed his shoulder joints.

 

[olyfan63]

Hm...It seems your historical knowledge of the Seahawks is somewhat limited. I'm guessing you weren't around when Brian Bosworth was playing. Bosworth is the most overrated and overhyped player in Seahawks history and it's really not close.

Bosworth was a very good player when healthy, NFC Defensive Player of the Week in a Seahawks road win over the Bears.
Bosworth's body failed him. Size 9 shoes? Not a frame that could support NFL muscle and stresses. IIRC he had a shoulder injury that made him a one-armed player.
Yes, the hype and attention Bosworth attracted... he knew how to play the media. Loved him arranging to sell the "Ban the Boz" T-Shirts in Denver.
Chuck Knox had positive things to say about Bosworth as a football player.
I think in an alternate universe where Bosworth's body held up to the NFL, he would be mentioned along with Luke Kuechly as a great linebacker.
We can agree that a one-armed Brian Bosworth was not an all-pro.

 

[olyfan63]

I assume he refers to Whitelll the ROOKIE from UNLV who, besides his WR exploits, blocked 4 kicks on ST last year.

Yes, I see there is a Ricky White III from UNLV on the roster. That's all I (now) know.
No data on whether he drives with a live Cougar in the car like Ricky Bobby.

If you ain't First--You're Last.
He is IIIrd, not First, so he's last.

OK, but can he play? Is he good enough to stick around, or even be kept around on the practice squad?
Is there a limit of one "White" receiver for the team, and Cody White already has that locked up?

 

[hawkfan68]

Ricky White, did you mean Cody White or Ricky Bobby? Or is this Ricky White the love child of Ricky Proehl and Cody White? The IVF biolabs in Bellevue strike again?

Forgot there's a Cody White on the team currently. Cody is also ahead of MVS, IMO. Ditch Mr. Hands of Stone as soon as possible.

 

[bsuhawk]

Bosworth was a very good player when healthy, NFC Defensive Player of the Week in a Seahawks road win over the Bears.
Bosworth's body failed him. Size 9 shoes? Not a frame that could support NFL muscle and stresses. IIRC he had a shoulder injury that made him a one-armed player.
Yes, the hype and attention Bosworth attracted... he knew how to play the media. Loved him arranging to sell the "Ban the Boz" T-Shirts in Denver.
Chuck Knox had positive things to say about Bosworth as a football player.
I think in an alternate universe where Bosworth's body held up to the NFL, he would be mentioned along with Luke Kuechly as a great linebacker.
We can agree that a one-armed Brian Bosworth was not an all-pro.

If I'm remembering the article I read correctly (which was close to 40 years ago), using steroids, Bosworth added muscle mass that his body couldn't support and then lifted weights heavier than his frame could handle, which damaged his shoulder joints. He had a good rookie year up to the point where the NFL figured out all they had to do was run at him and force him to cover. Things went down hill from there. Then he had the shoulder injuries and was out of the league a couple years later.

Bosworth certainly knew how to market himself. Showing up for his first Seahawk practice in a helicopter set the tone and calling Elway "horse face" and then selling anti-Boz t-shirts to the Bronco fans was brilliant. He was also a big Pink Floyd fan, so he at least had good taste in music.

As you can probably tell, I wasn't a real fan of Brian Bosworth.

 

[Sperrydogg]

While I'm obviously exaggerating a touch but Bobo will definitely be up there. The Boz was before my time and while maybe overrated I always believed his problems were more injury related.

It wasn’t an injury that changed everything about The Boz, it was Bo Jackson

 

[sutz]

It wasn’t an injury that changed everything about The Boz, it was Bo Jackson

Too much emphasis on one play IMO. Boz made his name early as the guy who could chase down Elway. That got him a lot of cred amonst fans. Unfortunately, as was stated above, several things conspired to force him into early retirement.

 

[bsuhawk]

Too much emphasis on one play IMO. Boz made his name early as the guy who could chase down Elway. That got him a lot of cred amonst fans. Unfortunately, as was stated above, several things conspired to force him into early retirement.

To be fair, Boz wasn't the only one Bo trucked during that period. Hell, to really stop Bo you needed at least one and preferably two Abrams tanks. Bo Jackson is probably the most incredible athlete I've ever seen on a football field. 6' 1", 230, and ran a 4.13 at his pro day at Auburn. He was amazing. Hell of a baseball player too. I still can't believe that throw he made in the Kingdome to get Harold Reynolds at home plate.

 

[olyfan63]

If I'm remembering the article I read correctly (which was close to 40 years ago), using steroids, Bosworth added muscle mass that his body couldn't support and then lifted weights heavier than his frame could handle, which damaged his shoulder joints. He had a good rookie year up to the point where the NFL figured out all they had to do was run at him and force him to cover. Things went down hill from there. Then he had the shoulder injuries and was out of the league a couple years later.

Bosworth certainly knew how to market himself. Showing up for his first Seahawk practice in a helicopter set the tone and calling Elway "horse face" and then selling anti-Boz t-shirts to the Bronco fans was brilliant. He was also a big Pink Floyd fan, so he at least had good taste in music.

As you can probably tell, I wasn't a real fan of Brian Bosworth.

I'll go with most of the thrust of your post. Steroids, more muscle mass than his body could support. Don't know about the weights causing shoulder joint damage. I think Bosworth was already one-armed when other NFL teams decided to run at him, and ran to his limp-arm side. Plus, it's hard to shed 300+ lb blockers with just one arm. Forcing him to cover, that sounds like hearsay. Got any video breakdowns showing Bosworth was crappy in coverage? Absent that, I'd classify it as piling on. Bosworth was pretty speedy for a LB. I can see classifying Bosworth as a steroid cheater, and his body was bound to fail him. IMO, neither a villain nor a hero, just yet one more guy whose body couldn't hold up to the demands of NFL play. The NFL scrap heap is littered with thousands of those guys. Gale Sayers, Greg Cook, great players who played in the NFL before knee surgeons could work magic. Even Curt Warner is on that list. Bosworth had a few good games while his body lasted. Agreed, he is a cautionary tale.

If you or anyone is a true Bosworth hater, I recall seeing an interview where he seemed to say he got trucked in divorce court far worse than anything Bo Jackson ever did to him. However, I can't confirm that, it seemed his ex gave him joint custody of the 3 kids and represented herself rather than using an attack divorce lawyer. Even if she got half his NFL-earnings assets, most of us could live OK on the remaining $4 Million. No tears for Bosworth here.

I'd like to think that in this day and age, Seahawks scouting and drafting would identify and rule out acquiring players whose bodies, just based on numbers and dimensions, are unlikely to hold up to NFL combat. Probably though, attractive prospects with questionable sturdiness would get UDFA invites rather than draft capital because you just never know. John Ursua comes to mind. Smallish Spoon plays out of his mind for his size and has been durable thus far and worth the draft capital.

Back to Bobo and Young, sorry for the thread meander. Bobo's suitability for the NFL is questioned based on his seeming lack of speed, rather than body fragility. I recall Steve Largent's "slow" speed for an NFL receiver being questioned. Then Ahmad Rashad and NBC showed a picture of Steve Largent "outrunning" Louis Wright, Broncos cornerback and one of the fastest men in the NFL, Largent 10 yards behind him catching a pass, and decided Largent was fast enough.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I'll go with most of the thrust of your post. Steroids, more muscle mass than his body could support. Don't know about the weights causing shoulder joint damage. I think Bosworth was already one-armed when other NFL teams decided to run at him, and ran to his limp-arm side. Plus, it's hard to shed 300+ lb blockers with just one arm. Forcing him to cover, that sounds like hearsay. Got any video breakdowns showing Bosworth was crappy in coverage? Absent that, I'd classify it as piling on. Bosworth was pretty speedy for a LB. I can see classifying Bosworth as a steroid cheater, and his body was bound to fail him. IMO, neither a villain nor a hero, just yet one more guy whose body couldn't hold up to the demands of NFL play. The NFL scrap heap is littered with thousands of those guys. Gale Sayers, Greg Cook, great players who played in the NFL before knee surgeons could work magic. Even Curt Warner is on that list. Bosworth had a few good games while his body lasted. Agreed, he is a cautionary tale.

If you or anyone is a true Bosworth hater, I recall seeing an interview where he seemed to say he got trucked in divorce court far worse than anything Bo Jackson ever did to him. However, I can't confirm that, it seemed his ex gave him joint custody of the 3 kids and represented herself rather than using an attack divorce lawyer. Even if she got half his NFL-earnings assets, most of us could live OK on the remaining $4 Million. No tears for Bosworth here.

I'd like to think that in this day and age, Seahawks scouting and drafting would identify and rule out acquiring players whose bodies, just based on numbers and dimensions, are unlikely to hold up to NFL combat. Probably though, attractive prospects with questionable sturdiness would get UDFA invites rather than draft capital because you just never know. John Ursua comes to mind. Smallish Spoon plays out of his mind for his size and has been durable thus far and worth the draft capital.

Trucked in divorce court worse than Bo Jackson!!!!’ Hahaha

 

[jlwaters1]

MVS is a starter for now in certain sets but Horton is right there nipping at the bud. I wouldn’t be surprised if Horton beats him out tho. He basically went toe to toe with Travis Hunter and got the better of him so I like Horton a lot

Are you sure about that? MVS has either not been on the field or has had no impact whatsoever. I haven’t even heard his name called these last 2 games. I think there is a significant chance he gets cut or traded

 

[bsuhawk]

I'll go with most of the thrust of your post. Steroids, more muscle mass than his body could support. Don't know about the weights causing shoulder joint damage. I think Bosworth was already one-armed when other NFL teams decided to run at him, and ran to his limp-arm side. Plus, it's hard to shed 300+ lb blockers with just one arm. Forcing him to cover, that sounds like hearsay. Got any video breakdowns showing Bosworth was crappy in coverage? Absent that, I'd classify it as piling on. Bosworth was pretty speedy for a LB. I can see classifying Bosworth as a steroid cheater, and his body was bound to fail him. IMO, neither a villain nor a hero, just yet one more guy whose body couldn't hold up to the demands of NFL play. The NFL scrap heap is littered with thousands of those guys. Gale Sayers, Greg Cook, great players who played in the NFL before knee surgeons could work magic. Even Curt Warner is on that list. Bosworth had a few good games while his body lasted. Agreed, he is a cautionary tale.

If you or anyone is a true Bosworth hater, I recall seeing an interview where he seemed to say he got trucked in divorce court far worse than anything Bo Jackson ever did to him. However, I can't confirm that, it seemed his ex gave him joint custody of the 3 kids and represented herself rather than using an attack divorce lawyer. Even if she got half his NFL-earnings assets, most of us could live OK on the remaining $4 Million. No tears for Bosworth here.

I'd like to think that in this day and age, Seahawks scouting and drafting would identify and rule out acquiring players whose bodies, just based on numbers and dimensions, are unlikely to hold up to NFL combat. Probably though, attractive prospects with questionable sturdiness would get UDFA invites rather than draft capital because you just never know. John Ursua comes to mind. Smallish Spoon plays out of his mind for his size and has been durable thus far and worth the draft capital.

Back to Bobo and Young, sorry for the thread meander. Bobo's suitability for the NFL is questioned based on his seeming lack of speed, rather than body fragility. I recall Steve Largent's "slow" speed for an NFL receiver being questioned. Then Ahmad Rashad and NBC showed a picture of Steve Largent "outrunning" Louis Wright, Broncos cornerback and one of the fastest men in the NFL, Largent 10 yards behind him catching a pass, and decided Largent was fast enough.

Heh If you're expecting me to spend hours going through YouTube videos looking for examples of Bosworth getting beat in coverage, sorry, but that's not happening. I'm okay with you believing that Bosworth was a quality prospect who had some bad luck with injuries as long as you're okay with me believing that he was a marginal talent who cheated and used steroids to build himself into something he wasn't. Deal?

 

[olyfan63]

Heh If you're expecting me to spend hours going through YouTube videos looking for examples of Bosworth getting beat in coverage, sorry, but that's not happening. I'm okay with you believing that Bosworth was a quality prospect who had some bad luck with injuries as long as you're okay with me believing that he was a marginal talent who cheated and used steroids to build himself into something he wasn't. Deal?

Works for me!

By all accounts Bosworth was pretty amazing in college at Oklahoma. I didn't follow his college career.
I hear you about combing through footage looking for evidence... a couple-three times I've had to review security cam footage to see whodunit, how, and when. It's tedious and annoying, whether hours of game footage or hours of security cam footage. I'm open to being convinced that Bosworth was poor in coverage at the NFL level, just haven't seen any evidence. Bosworth did have two INTs during his college career.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He was phenomenal in College

 

[audioeffects]

There’s a way to keep both as clearly Harbaugh’s unit needs all the help it can get (I can’t believe I just wrote “Harbaugh” here).