I wonder... a comment in QB / Coach arenas.

[Sgt. Largent]

Would Russell have had this much success and be on his way to the HOF if he was drafted by the Jets or Cleveland, or any other organization that'd hyper-dysfunctional and ruins QB's?

So if you're going to continue to just make up thread after thread of "hey Pete's holding Russell back," then you better also give Pete credit for creating an amazing environment for Russell to excel and thrive in.

Because you can talk all day long about scheme and X's and O's, but if you're not including all the organizational and structural qualities Pete has built here, of which Russell's benefited greatly from?

Then you're being dishonest with this conversation.

Our best offensive playe ris our QB yet the team is built around the run, enough said.

Lol. Russell is perennially top 5 in every QB category that matters, has an insane TD to interception ratio and was the MVP front runner for over half the season.....but our offense is built around the run?

I mean, if you guys are gonna continue to b broken records, at least come strong with some facts, and not just the same old tired false narratives.

Btw, Russell averaged 31 pass attempts per game. You wanna know what the poster boy for high flying offense that everyone here keeps pointing to as "hey we need to be more like that! Patrick Mahomes" averaged?

28

 

[John63]

Would Russell have had this much success and be on his way to the HOF if he was drafted by the Jets or Cleveland, or any other organization that'd hyper-dysfunctional and ruins QB's?

So if you're going to continue to just make up thread after thread of "hey Pete's holding Russell back," then you better also give Pete credit for creating an amazing environment for Russell to excel and thrive in.

Because you can talk all day long about scheme and X's and O's, but if you're not including all the organizational and structural qualities Pete has built here, of which Russell's benefited greatly from?

Then you're being dishonest with this conversation.

Our best offensive playe ris our QB yet the team is built around the run, enough said.

Lol. Russell is perennially top 5 in every QB category that matters, has an insane TD to interception ratio and was the MVP front runner for over half the season.....but our offense is built around the run?

I mean, if you guys are gonna continue to b broken records, at least come strong with some facts, and not just the same old tired false narratives.

Btw, Russell averaged 31 pass attempts per game. You wanna know what the poster boy for high flying offense that everyone here keeps pointing to as "hey we need to be more like that! Patrick Mahomes" averaged?

28

You're taking to the wrong person, PC the Head Coach has said we are a run first team, we run, eat clock and throw long. That is not a system built around your QB, He has also said when he looks for o lineman he looks for run blockers. That is not a system built around your QB. Pretty much every expert says the same thing.

""You know, I don't mind being different at all," Carroll said. "I didn't mind it when we were in college either. We weren't spreading out and doing all the stuff that other people were doing. We were running a run heavy attack back in the day and ran for a lot of yards with a lot of big time running backs. " Notice no mention of pass or QB just RB and run.

 

[Tical21]

Haha @John63

 

[John63]

Haha @John63

Ah I am sorry that went over your head. Here you go,

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/footb...N8yQaAhcwEALw_wcB#isbn=0470125365&idiq=373412

 

[bmorepunk]

Belichick is a defensive guru, Brady is the GOAT QB.. They can co-exist.

The primary difference between the PATS and HAWKS? The Patriots game plan to attack the enemies' weakness and neutralize their greatest strengths. If they are soft, the Pats will be physical. If they have weak pass rush and secondary, they'll throw it 50 times. If they have Strong rush, they'll use screens, run, and short passing game..

What does Pete do? Regardless of the other team, he will run the ball and try to establish play action. That's it.

Yeah, Belechick is better at that.

But every year the Patriots didn't have a really good to great defense, they got bounced out of the playoffs. And they were in another three Super Bowls they lost.

The Patriots have had to go on the road five whole times in the Belechick/Brady era. And they lost four of those games. Had they had to play in a division that doesn't consistently put up a bunch of bad teams year in and year out, they're probably getting lower seeding and getting bounced out of even more playoff games because they have to go on the road. And this year they sure seemed to not be able to gameplan and adjust for much given their talent gap on offense.

The Seahawks were way better this year on first half offense. They had marked improvement last year too. It was pretty brutal through long stretches the two previous years, but I don't think a lot of people's perceptions match up well with reality.

And if they go full Andy Reid, they still get dumped from the playoffs like the Chiefs had previous to this year. Because this defense sucks like the Chiefs' did before this year. That's the real gap on this team. You can let Russell Wilson run around and sling the ball with reckless abandon, but if you have no real capacity to actually stop the other team from scoring, it doesn't matter. The probability that you're just going to outscore every team enough consistently to win a Super Bowl is really low.

 

[Tical21]

Haha @John63

Ah I am sorry that went over your head. Here you go,

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/footb...N8yQaAhcwEALw_wcB#isbn=0470125365&idiq=373412

lol @Anthony! giving advice about anything football related

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Would Russell have had this much success and be on his way to the HOF if he was drafted by the Jets or Cleveland, or any other organization that'd hyper-dysfunctional and ruins QB's?

So if you're going to continue to just make up thread after thread of "hey Pete's holding Russell back," then you better also give Pete credit for creating an amazing environment for Russell to excel and thrive in.

Because you can talk all day long about scheme and X's and O's, but if you're not including all the organizational and structural qualities Pete has built here, of which Russell's benefited greatly from?

Then you're being dishonest with this conversation.

Our best offensive playe ris our QB yet the team is built around the run, enough said.

Lol. Russell is perennially top 5 in every QB category that matters, has an insane TD to interception ratio and was the MVP front runner for over half the season.....but our offense is built around the run?

I mean, if you guys are gonna continue to b broken records, at least come strong with some facts, and not just the same old tired false narratives.

Btw, Russell averaged 31 pass attempts per game. You wanna know what the poster boy for high flying offense that everyone here keeps pointing to as "hey we need to be more like that! Patrick Mahomes" averaged?

28

You're taking to the wrong person, PC the Head Coach has said we are a run first team, we run, eat clock and throw long. That is not a system built around your QB, He has also said when he looks for o lineman he looks for run blockers. That is not a system built around your QB. Pretty much every expert says the same thing.

""You know, I don't mind being different at all," Carroll said. "I didn't mind it when we were in college either. We weren't spreading out and doing all the stuff that other people were doing. We were running a run heavy attack back in the day and ran for a lot of yards with a lot of big time running backs. " Notice no mention of pass or QB just RB and run.

Why does it matter how you scheme your offense, as long as the results are good?

I'm not a Pete apologist, I would like to see him do things like go up tempo more to get Russell into rhythm and tempo quicker, which he excels at.

But I also understand they philosophy of limiting your opponents possessions and pounding their defense into submission to win in 2nd halves of games...........of which we are very good at.

So this prevalent narrative that pops up after every loss and off season that Pete misuses Russell, or isn't getting the most out of him is I'd say 75% false. IMO Pete knows Russell's strengths, and that's creating and making explosive plays downfield.

And it's CERTAINLY isn't why we haven't gone back to a SB in six years. That's squarely on the defensive side of the ball. So why all the threads on Russell? He's the reason we went 11-5 and not 6-9.

Until Pete and John can build another dominant defense, we aren't going back to the SB.

8 times, that's how many times Garropolo threw the ball in the NFC Championship game. Eight times. But let's keep beating this dead horse of it's all Pete's fault for not using Russell correctly.

 

[sutz]

Why does it matter how you scheme your offense, as long as the results are good?

I'm not a Pete apologist, I would like to see him do things like go up tempo more to get Russell into rhythm and tempo quicker, which he excels at.

But I also understand they philosophy of limiting your opponents possessions and pounding their defense into submission to win in 2nd halves of games...........of which we are very good at.

So this prevalent narrative that pops up after every loss and off season that Pete misuses Russell, or isn't getting the most out of him is I'd say 75% false. IMO Pete knows Russell's strengths, and that's creating and making explosive plays downfield.

And it's CERTAINLY isn't why we haven't gone back to a SB in six years. That's squarely on the defensive side of the ball. So why all the threads on Russell? He's the reason we went 11-5 and not 6-9.

Until Pete and John can build another dominant defense, we aren't going back to the SB.

8 times, that's how many times Garropolo threw the ball in the NFC Championship game. Eight times. But let's keep beating this dead horse of it's all Pete's fault for not using Russell correctly.

I call it the Fanstasy Football effect. People get lost in individual stats and don't think about how those individual stats actually convert into wins for the team. Real coaches can't do that. :229031_shrug:

 

[BASF]

Why does it matter how you scheme your offense, as long as the results are good?

I'm not a Pete apologist, I would like to see him do things like go up tempo more to get Russell into rhythm and tempo quicker, which he excels at.

But I also understand they philosophy of limiting your opponents possessions and pounding their defense into submission to win in 2nd halves of games...........of which we are very good at.

So this prevalent narrative that pops up after every loss and off season that Pete misuses Russell, or isn't getting the most out of him is I'd say 75% false. IMO Pete knows Russell's strengths, and that's creating and making explosive plays downfield.

And it's CERTAINLY isn't why we haven't gone back to a SB in six years. That's squarely on the defensive side of the ball. So why all the threads on Russell? He's the reason we went 11-5 and not 6-9.

Until Pete and John can build another dominant defense, we aren't going back to the SB.

8 times, that's how many times Garropolo threw the ball in the NFC Championship game. Eight times. But let's keep beating this dead horse of it's all Pete's fault for not using Russell correctly.

I call it the Fanstasy Football effect. People get lost in individual stats and don't think about how those individual stats actually convert into wins for the team. Real coaches can't do that. :229031_shrug:

I actually blame the league for doing everything in their power to promote this as a passing league and that running the ball does not matter. They saw what happened with the viewership in MLB, the NBA and NHL when their leagues increased scoring and the NFL wanted to get an even higher viewership. So, you cater to more scoring with your rules and you get more casual fans in front of the tv, which leads to more advertising dollars. The people who sit their and bemoan about scoring and uptempo offense are those casuals who sometimes stick around.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I actually blame the league for doing everything in their power to promote this as a passing league and that running the ball does not matter. They saw what happened with the viewership in MLB, the NBA and NHL when their leagues increased scoring and the NFL wanted to get an even higher viewership. So, you cater to more scoring with your rules and you get more casual fans in front of the tv, which leads to more advertising dollars. The people who sit their and bemoan about scoring and uptempo offense are those casuals who sometimes stick around.

Rushing doesn't matter? Do you even watch the NFL? Eight of the top 10 rushing teams made the playoffs, and do so just about every year.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/v ... e/dir/desc

Good lord, where do you guys get this horrible takes. It's football, it ALL matters.........it's about balance, because balance is hard to defend, and it's hard to attack.

Top 10 passing offenses? They all stink except for KC and NE.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/v ... asontype/2

Rushing matters, a LOT. So does passing, so does defense, so does special teams, so does coaching, so does scheme, it all matters.

 

[BASF]

I actually blame the league for doing everything in their power to promote this as a passing league and that running the ball does not matter. They saw what happened with the viewership in MLB, the NBA and NHL when their leagues increased scoring and the NFL wanted to get an even higher viewership. So, you cater to more scoring with your rules and you get more casual fans in front of the tv, which leads to more advertising dollars. The people who sit their and bemoan about scoring and uptempo offense are those casuals who sometimes stick around.

Rushing doesn't matter? Do you even watch the NFL? Eight of the top 10 rushing teams made the playoffs, and do so just about every year.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/v ... e/dir/desc

Good lord, where do you guys get this horrible takes. It's football, it ALL matters.........it's about balance, because balance is hard to defend, and it's hard to attack.

Top 10 passing offenses? They all stink except for KC and NE.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/v ... asontype/2

Rushing matters, a LOT. So does passing, so does defense, so does special teams, so does coaching, so does scheme, it all matters.

You are taking me too literally SL. Rushing doesn't really matter to the higher ups in the league office that are promoting the NFL as a passing league and shaping the rules to make it more passer friendly to increase viewership.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Belichick is a defensive guru, Brady is the GOAT QB.. They can co-exist.

The primary difference between the PATS and HAWKS? The Patriots game plan to attack the enemies' weakness and neutralize their greatest strengths. If they are soft, the Pats will be physical. If they have weak pass rush and secondary, they'll throw it 50 times. If they have Strong rush, they'll use screens, run, and short passing game..

What does Pete do? Regardless of the other team, he will run the ball and try to establish play action. That's it.

Yeah, Belechick is better at that.

But every year the Patriots didn't have a really good to great defense, they got bounced out of the playoffs. And they were in another three Super Bowls they lost.

The Patriots have had to go on the road five whole times in the Belechick/Brady era. And they lost four of those games. Had they had to play in a division that doesn't consistently put up a bunch of bad teams year in and year out, they're probably getting lower seeding and getting bounced out of even more playoff games because they have to go on the road. And this year they sure seemed to not be able to gameplan and adjust for much given their talent gap on offense.

The Seahawks were way better this year on first half offense. They had marked improvement last year too. It was pretty brutal through long stretches the two previous years, but I don't think a lot of people's perceptions match up well with reality.

And if they go full Andy Reid, they still get dumped from the playoffs like the Chiefs had previous to this year. Because this defense sucks like the Chiefs' did before this year. That's the real gap on this team. You can let Russell Wilson run around and sling the ball with reckless abandon, but if you have no real capacity to actually stop the other team from scoring, it doesn't matter. The probability that you're just going to outscore every team enough consistently to win a Super Bowl is really low.

You sir have summed up what's facing the Hawks to a T.
Pete deserves criticism for the regression of the D no doubt.

Why does it matter how you scheme your offense, as long as the results are good?

I'm not a Pete apologist, I would like to see him do things like go up tempo more to get Russell into rhythm and tempo quicker, which he excels at.

But I also understand they philosophy of limiting your opponents possessions and pounding their defense into submission to win in 2nd halves of games...........of which we are very good at.

So this prevalent narrative that pops up after every loss and off season that Pete misuses Russell, or isn't getting the most out of him is I'd say 75% false. IMO Pete knows Russell's strengths, and that's creating and making explosive plays downfield.

And it's CERTAINLY isn't why we haven't gone back to a SB in six years. That's squarely on the defensive side of the ball. So why all the threads on Russell? He's the reason we went 11-5 and not 6-9.

Until Pete and John can build another dominant defense, we aren't going back to the SB.

8 times, that's how many times Garropolo threw the ball in the NFC Championship game. Eight times. But let's keep beating this dead horse of it's all Pete's fault for not using Russell correctly.

And this

 

[Largent80]

RW is still in the running for MVP. Even with losing all of those players to injury, trades and retirements, Pete has remained and been the rock...I'm so blessed to have him as the coach of my team and so is RW and every other Hawk player on this roster.

 

[John63]

Haha @John63

Ah I am sorry that went over your head. Here you go,

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/footb...N8yQaAhcwEALw_wcB#isbn=0470125365&idiq=373412

lol @Anthony! giving advice about anything football related

Spoken like a guy who knows he is lacking in football knowledge and needs to compensate.

 

[BASF]

RW is still in the running for MVP. Even with losing all of those players to injury, trades and retirements, Pete has remained and been the rock...I'm so blessed to have him as the coach of my team and so is RW and every other Hawk player on this roster.

In the running for MVP and top five in most categories is not good enough for the group of posters here. "If you're not first, you're last" is their motto.

 

[Tical21]

Haha @John63

Ah I am sorry that went over your head. Here you go,

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/footb...N8yQaAhcwEALw_wcB#isbn=0470125365&idiq=373412

lol @Anthony! giving advice about anything football related

Spoken like a guy who knows he is lacking in football knowledge and needs to compensate.

Yeah, you're probably right. Welcome to my snapchat welcome to my snapchat

 

[John63]

RW is still in the running for MVP. Even with losing all of those players to injury, trades and retirements, Pete has remained and been the rock...I'm so blessed to have him as the coach of my team and so is RW and every other Hawk player on this roster.

In the running for MVP and top five in most categories is not good enough for the group of posters here. "If you're not first, you're last" is their motto.

no the goal is the SB we have not been close since 2014, most here think we can be with some tweaks.

 

[John63]

Ah I am sorry that went over your head. Here you go,

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/footb...N8yQaAhcwEALw_wcB#isbn=0470125365&idiq=373412

lol @Anthony! giving advice about anything football related

Spoken like a guy who knows he is lacking in football knowledge and needs to compensate.

Yeah, you're probably right. Welcome to my snapchat welcome to my snapchat

yawn your boring me now, goodbye go spread your lies to someone else, try kindergarten.

 

[Largent80]

What the heck is wrong with y'all?

Be civil in THIS forum