I’m callin it, Brock Purdy is him

[IndyHawk]

People are WAY to quick to flip from "elite" to "he sucks".

Purdy is good. No question at all to me. Question is HOW good. Is this his ceiling? Will he become Jimmy G?

What was frustrating with Jimmy wasn't that he made mistakes. It was that he kept constantly making the SAME mistakes. He never learned.

Brock isn't Jimmy. First off, he is a FAR, FAR more accurate thrower, particularly down field. He's also MUCH less impacted by pressure.

The question is whether he learns from these mistakes or he does what Jimmy did and never learns the lesson.

I'm not so sure about that Marv-He looked flustured when pressured..I think the NFL Ds
are figuring out ways to get to him.

 

[Marvin49]

I'm not so sure about that Marv-He looked flustured when pressured..I think the NFL Ds
are figuring out ways to get to him.

Maybe a bit...but not like Jimmy.

 

[94Smith]

People are WAY to quick to flip from "elite" to "he sucks".

Purdy is good. No question at all to me. Question is HOW good. Is this his ceiling? Will he become Jimmy G?

What was frustrating with Jimmy wasn't that he made mistakes. It was that he kept constantly making the SAME mistakes. He never learned.

Brock isn't Jimmy. First off, he is a FAR, FAR more accurate thrower, particularly down field. He's also MUCH less impacted by pressure.

The question is whether he learns from these mistakes or he does what Jimmy did and never learns the lesson.

much more mobile than Jimmy as well

 

[94Smith]

I'm not so sure about that Marv-He looked flustured when pressured. I think the NFL Ds
are figuring out ways to get to him.

I disagree with flustered under pressure. Highly disagree with this. I think a lot of the ints were trying to fit the ball into tight windows. The Shanahan offense requires a lot of throws over the middle. The other one yesterday was the missed handoff and the scramble trying to dump the ball off to the RB. It was a great play by the D lineman

I think a lot of the issues have not been having the safety valve in Deebo to throw a few WR screens a game and the running game success we had when Trent williams was playing

 

[bigskydoc]

To me, Purdy did not look as crisp yesterday. Being said, the first INT wasn't on him. It was a phenomenal play by Pratt. The second/ third interception was into a tight, classic Shanahan, window. I think a healthy Purdy makes that throw.

He clearly aggravated his concussion on the second interception (that was negated by the roughing the passer penalty), and I think he aggravated it on the Pratt interception too.

 

[Marvin49]

To me, Purdy did not look as crisp yesterday. Being said, the first INT wasn't on him. It was a phenomenal play by Pratt. The second/ third interception was into a tight, classic Shanahan, window. I think a healthy Purdy makes that throw.

He clearly aggravated his concussion on the second interception (that was negated by the roughing the passer penalty), and I think he aggravated it on the Pratt interception too.

Hit on head would have actually been third INT.

 

[Weadoption]

just doubling down here for after the bye, i like the action cards are running hot, easy to do with house money

 

[Marvin49]

just doubling down here for after the bye, i like the action cards are running hot, easy to do with house money
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...LONG way from saying THAT (Purdy=Montana)....

...but I will say the National Media, as usual, has its head up its a$$.

It was too early to call him elite...but its also ludicrous how much "the clock is striking midnight" there is out there. Purdy is still playing VERY well.

He played like crap in Cleveland. No question about it. He's made mistakes (weird fluky ones a couple times) late in last few games, but all the crazy anticipation throws he made early on are still all over the game film. He is currently the highest rated passer (140+ rating) in the NFL on passes over 25 yards IN THE AIR. What does the media say? "Deebo is gone so he doesn't get the 2 yard passes that go 20 and now he sucks".

Purdy is having some young player problems late in games that HAVE to be fixed...but the narrative that he sucks now is just ignorant.

Last note tho...the "system QB" thing...

...I mean I say this as a Niner fan, but does Montana become Montana if not for Bill Walsh and the WCO? Does he dominate without Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Brent Jones, Roger Craig, Wendell Tyler, Dwight Clark, etc, etc?

 

[Jac]

...LONG way from saying THAT (Purdy=Montana)....

...but I will say the National Media, as usual, has its head up its a$$.

It was too early to call him elite...but its also ludicrous how much "the clock is striking midnight" there is out there. Purdy is still playing VERY well.

He played like crap in Cleveland. No question about it. He's made mistakes (weird fluky ones a couple times) late in last few games, but all the crazy anticipation throws he made early on are still all over the game film. He is currently the highest rated passer (140+ rating) in the NFL on passes over 25 yards IN THE AIR. What does the media say? "Deebo is gone so he doesn't get the 2 yard passes that go 20 and now he sucks".

Purdy is having some young player problems late in games that HAVE to be fixed...but the narrative that he sucks now is just ignorant.

Last note tho...the "system QB" thing...

...I mean I say this as a Niner fan, but does Montana become Montana if not for Bill Walsh and the WCO? Does he dominate without Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Brent Jones, Roger Craig, Wendell Tyler, Dwight Clark, etc, etc?

The 'clock is striking midnight' narrative is just natural backlash against the media/fans that anointed him too early.

 

[Ostatehawk]

The 'clock is striking midnight' narrative is just natural backlash against the media/fans that anointed him too early.

Agree - and it was mostly the media. Fans were excited - sure - and some had him as the second coming after a small sample size. But it was the media that created the buzz and then came the corollary hatred. Kind of like they did with Colorado Football - the media blew CU/Sanders up so big that everyone outside of CU Fans and Deion sycophants soured on it very quickly after it was very clear that CU was nothing special.

 

[warden]

Film is out, tendency’s exposed, how to game plan against is out there. It is going to be interesting to see how he adjusts

 

[knownone]

...LONG way from saying THAT (Purdy=Montana)....

...but I will say the National Media, as usual, has its head up its a$$.

It was too early to call him elite...but its also ludicrous how much "the clock is striking midnight" there is out there. Purdy is still playing VERY well.

He played like crap in Cleveland. No question about it. He's made mistakes (weird fluky ones a couple times) late in last few games, but all the crazy anticipation throws he made early on are still all over the game film. He is currently the highest rated passer (140+ rating) in the NFL on passes over 25 yards IN THE AIR. What does the media say? "Deebo is gone so he doesn't get the 2 yard passes that go 20 and now he sucks".

Purdy is having some young player problems late in games that HAVE to be fixed...but the narrative that he sucks now is just ignorant.

Last note tho...the "system QB" thing...

...I mean I say this as a Niner fan, but does Montana become Montana if not for Bill Walsh and the WCO? Does he dominate without Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Brent Jones, Roger Craig, Wendell Tyler, Dwight Clark, etc, etc?

From an outside perspective, Niners fans should stop comparing Purdy to QBs in the GOAT conversation.

The issue for Purdy is physical. He doesn't have an elite toolset. His greatest attribute is anticipation, and as the sample size increases, teams get a better sense of where he's going with the ball. That's my assumption for why he has the third most turnover-worthy throws in the league. That's also why I have difficulty seeing him maintain his current production long-term.

 

[bigskydoc]

It was too early to call him elite...but its also ludicrous how much "the clock is striking midnight" there is out there. Purdy is still playing VERY well.

This. I mean, the guy hasn't even started a full season's worth of games, 6 or so last year plus 8 games this year.

 

[94Smith]

From an outside perspective, Niners fans should stop comparing Purdy to QBs in the GOAT conversation.

The issue for Purdy is physical. He doesn't have an elite toolset. His greatest attribute is anticipation, and as the sample size increases, teams get a better sense of where he's going with the ball. That's my assumption for why he has the third most turnover-worthy throws in the league. That's also why I have difficulty seeing him maintain his current production long-term.

No he does not have a rocket arm, but what else is in the QB skillset? Speed, he does not have. Short area quickness he has. He can scramble. He is smart and will go through progressions quickly. He is nimble in the pocket. He is accurate.

I think leading in turnover worthy throws is a product of the Shanahan offense? Lots of dangerous throws over the middle

 

[knownone]

No he does not have a rocket arm, but what else is in the QB skillset? Speed, he does not have. Short area quickness he has. He can scramble. He is smart and will go through progressions quickly. He is nimble in the pocket. He is accurate.

I think leading in turnover worthy throws is a product of the Shanahan offense? Lots of dangerous throws over the middle

I'm about talking about elite skillsets. Compare Purdy to the elite QBs (Mahomes, Allen, Herbert), and it's clear that he's just not one of those guys. So, we can assume teams will adapt to his style, and eventually, his production will decline from their current all-time highs.

It could be. I don't know. The few interceptions I've seen look like a guy throwing to spots, so maybe that's Shanahan.

 

[Marvin49]

From an outside perspective, Niners fans should stop comparing Purdy to QBs in the GOAT conversation.

The issue for Purdy is physical. He doesn't have an elite toolset. His greatest attribute is anticipation, and as the sample size increases, teams get a better sense of where he's going with the ball. That's my assumption for why he has the third most turnover-worthy throws in the league. That's also why I have difficulty seeing him maintain his current production long-term.

...Neither did Montana. Neither did Brady. Neither did Kurt Warner.

I think people need to realize "elite toolset" for a QB isn't all physical. You can either make the throws or you can't. QBs with big arms often don't anticipate because they think they can throw it hard enough to hold it longer. They throw INTs because they wait for a guy to be open to let it go.

Nobody figure out anticipation throws for Montana or Brady...so...not sure why you think it'll get figured for Brock.

Now again...to be clear...I'm not putting him anywhere near their category, but when it comes the QBs I think people put WAY, WAY, WAY to much emphasis on the physical toolset.

 

[knownone]

...Neither did Montana. Neither did Brady. Neither did Kurt Warner.

I think people need to realize "elite toolset" for a QB isn't all physical. You can either make the throws or you can't. QBs with big arms often don't anticipate because they think they can throw it hard enough to hold it longer. They throw INTs because they wait for a guy to be open to let it go.

Nobody figure out anticipation throws for Montana or Brady...so...not sure why you think it'll get figured for Brock.

Now again...to be clear...I'm not putting him anywhere near their category, but when it comes the QBs I think people put WAY, WAY, WAY to much emphasis on the physical toolset.

Eh, it depends on the player. The only recent QB you mentioned is Brady. He is 6'4 with arguably the best footwork in NFL history, and he still always had an average arm. To my eyes, Purdy's tools are not in Brady's stratosphere.

Purdy can't make off-platform throws consistently. He's heavily reliant on setting his feet to drive the ball downfield. And I'm willing to bet as the talent around him decreases, his production will fall dramatically because of those limitations.

We see this with Purdy's turnover-worthy plays increasing dramatically since the start of the season, so it's not me thinking teams will figure him out. Similarly, PFF has him as a bottom-15 passer, yet statistically, he's one of the most efficient QBs in NFL History. Why do you think that might be? Is PFF wrong, or are Purdy's stats not accurately reflecting his abilities?

 

[Marvin49]

Eh, it depends on the player. The only recent QB you mentioned is Brady. He is 6'4 with arguably the best footwork in NFL history, and he still always had an average arm. To my eyes, Purdy's tools are not in Brady's stratosphere.

Purdy can't make off-platform throws consistently. He's heavily reliant on setting his feet to drive the ball downfield. And I'm willing to bet as the talent around him decreases, his production will fall dramatically because of those limitations.

We see this with Purdy's turnover-worthy plays increasing dramatically since the start of the season, so it's not me thinking teams will figure him out. Similarly, PFF has him as a bottom-15 passer, yet statistically, he's one of the most efficient QBs in NFL History. Why do you think that might be? Is PFF wrong, or are Purdy's stats not accurately reflecting his abilities?

Brady didn't start out that way...and he was NEVER mobile.

Don't get me started on PFF. LOL. I think they trying to make something very subjective scientific...but all they are really doing is dumping their opinion of each and every snap into an algorithm.

Those individual plays they look at are still very subjective and can change based on who looked at the play. One guy can say something is "turnover worth" and another can say its not. I don't lend much credence to them. I mean they have Nick Bosa as having one of his best years right now and I don't think many would agree with that.

As for off-platform....wow. I don't think you are watching the games. LOL. He made three of them just in this last game that were off the charts.

As for production falling off when players leave...um...yeah? Look at Mahomes right now. It happens to ALL QBs.

 

[knownone]

Brady didn't start out that way...and he was NEVER mobile.

Don't get me started on PFF. LOL. I think they trying to make something very subjective scientific...but all they are really doing is dumping their opinion of each and every snap into an algorithm.

Those individual plays they look at are still very subjective and can change based on who looked at the play. One guy can say something is "turnover worth" and another can say its not. I don't lend much credence to them. I mean they have Nick Bosa as having one of his best years right now and I don't think many would agree with that.

As for off-platform....wow. I don't think you are watching the games. LOL. He made three of them just in this last game that were off the charts.

Brady did start that way. There's a reason the MLB drafted him to be a pitcher. For perspective, Brady took the NFL velocity test at age 41 and hit 61 MPH. Purdy was at 50 MPH during the draft and supposedly bumped it to 55 last year. He's 3 inches shorter with a significantly weaker arm. Sorry. Also, I NEVER said Brady was mobile. I mentioned his footwork, which has little to do with mobility.

If those are your examples, I feel confident in my assessment. The second one, in particular, is an example of a TWP. That's not a good throw.

 

[94Smith]

Brady did start that way. There's a reason the MLB drafted him to be a pitcher. For perspective, Brady took the NFL velocity test at age 41 and hit 61 MPH. Purdy was at 50 MPH during the draft and supposedly bumped it to 55 last year. He's 3 inches shorter with a significantly weaker arm. Sorry. Also, I NEVER said Brady was mobile. I mentioned his footwork, which has little to do with mobility.

If those are your examples, I feel confident in my assessment. The second one, in particular, is an example of a TWP. That's not a good throw.

Drew Bree’s is the perfect comparable in my opinion in terms of height , arm velocity, accuracy, mobility etc. If Brock Purdy can emulate his career I will be happy.

I should say maybe not comparable, but Brock Purdy at his best could aspire to be like Drew Brees