I've actually changed my stance from this AM. At first I was ticked over the arrogance, but then when kid pointed out the strategy, well, now I'm impressed. Well played and certainly not "foul" either (technically speaking).
Scottemojo":1mp787q6 said:Many players will pay a heavy price for Roger completely boning the Ray Rice thing.
Aldon does as he should, Roger breaks the deal. Wasn't even domestic violence, but Roger is in the crosshairs for every single suspension right now.
What I don't get is how Roger telling clubs to de-activate specific players without actually having suspended them is anything but a violation of anti-trust. It was not bargained, and the NFL's primary defense of Anti Trust exemption has been that they are 32 independent clubs. Who do whatever Roger tells them.
pehawk":3uqmv7hy said:I've actually changed my stance from this AM. At first I was ticked over the arrogance, but then when kid pointed out the strategy, well, now I'm impressed. Well played and certainly not "foul" either (technically speaking).
Marvin49":uym2zfmk said:pehawk":uym2zfmk said:I've actually changed my stance from this AM. At first I was ticked over the arrogance, but then when kid pointed out the strategy, well, now I'm impressed. Well played and certainly not "foul" either (technically speaking).
I see the point Kid is making...
...but its basically a complicated way to get where they should go all along.
IE...the decision should never be in Goodells hands to begin with. Him making a decision that forced the NFLPA to do something so that it HAS to go to arbitration is ridiculous.
kidhawk":2rczo4os said:Marvin49":2rczo4os said:pehawk":2rczo4os said:I've actually changed my stance from this AM. At first I was ticked over the arrogance, but then when kid pointed out the strategy, well, now I'm impressed. Well played and certainly not "foul" either (technically speaking).
I see the point Kid is making...
...but its basically a complicated way to get where they should go all along.
IE...the decision should never be in Goodells hands to begin with. Him making a decision that forced the NFLPA to do something so that it HAS to go to arbitration is ridiculous.
Goodell's job is to look out for the good of the league. The player's union is to look out for the players. This scenario has both of them doing their job, and the league does no more damage to it's already tarnished reputation in this department.
kidhawk":2wriklbv said:Marvin49":2wriklbv said:pehawk":2wriklbv said:I've actually changed my stance from this AM. At first I was ticked over the arrogance, but then when kid pointed out the strategy, well, now I'm impressed. Well played and certainly not "foul" either (technically speaking).
I see the point Kid is making...
...but its basically a complicated way to get where they should go all along.
IE...the decision should never be in Goodells hands to begin with. Him making a decision that forced the NFLPA to do something so that it HAS to go to arbitration is ridiculous.
Goodell's job is to look out for the good of the league. The player's union is to look out for the players. This scenario has both of them doing their job, and the league does no more damage to it's already tarnished reputation in this department.
Marvin49":26itoww2 said:I get you. Given the existing structure I'd agree it's a good move.
My prob is it should never be in Goodells hands to begin with. The system needs to change.
kidhawk":3twlyb6k said:Goodell is brilliant here. There is absolutely NO way any realistic suspension would go over with the general public. He suspends him and tells him to get help and then he can return. The Players Union files an immediate appeal. Goodell allows it to go to a neutral arbitrator, then whatever decision is made is out of his hands and removes any potential for a repeat of the Ray Rice episode.
Not to say Goodell isn't a complete ass, but he's a brilliant one.
frosted21":3lwegpyp said:kidhawk":3lwegpyp said:Goodell is brilliant here. There is absolutely NO way any realistic suspension would go over with the general public. He suspends him and tells him to get help and then he can return. The Players Union files an immediate appeal. Goodell allows it to go to a neutral arbitrator, then whatever decision is made is out of his hands and removes any potential for a repeat of the Ray Rice episode.
Not to say Goodell isn't a complete ass, but he's a brilliant one.
The problem with your theory is that Rog is the one who hears the appeal as well - not a neutral arbitrator.
frosted21":8a9exd2z said:kidhawk":8a9exd2z said:Goodell is brilliant here. There is absolutely NO way any realistic suspension would go over with the general public. He suspends him and tells him to get help and then he can return. The Players Union files an immediate appeal. Goodell allows it to go to a neutral arbitrator, then whatever decision is made is out of his hands and removes any potential for a repeat of the Ray Rice episode.
Not to say Goodell isn't a complete ass, but he's a brilliant one.
The problem with your theory is that Rog is the one who hears the appeal as well - not a neutral arbitrator.
mikeak":3ml0oe7w said:Already arbitrator involved
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor ... long-time/
Arbitrator lowered the penalty on Reed and upheld it on Gordon
Arbitrator will be used. Goodel had never been and cannot be an arbitrator as he is one party to the verdict.
frosted21":24ztwu20 said:The reason the NFL granted a neutral party for Rice was because of the conflict of interest involved with Roger. According to Florio at PFT, Goodell will be the one handling the appeal. They can demand a neutral arbitrator but the NFL doesn't have to provide one.
frosted21":nmzo06ni said:http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/18/adrian-peterson-suspension-appeal-roger-goodell/
The NFL Players Association announced it would appeal the verdict, and went further, saying it would also demand a neutral third-party arbitrator to hear the appeal—not commissioner Roger Goodell. The 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement between players and owners gives Goodell the right to hear such appeals, and though the league is considering a new Personal Conduct Policy that could remove Goodell as the everyday disciplinarian on cases such as this, it’s not believed that Goodell would cede his authority before the new policy is in place.