How to shut down the MONSTER tight ends:

[Mitch]

The Patriots showed the league how to shut down Jimmy Grahm and other monster tight ends. Aqib Talib is a big, physical corner and shut Grahm down! Big, physical corner; Hawks have one of those! Why let these oversize receivers kick butt on our linebackers? Let BB shut them down in one on one press coverage! I'm no Dan Quinn but this seems like a good idea?? :thfight7:

 

[bestfightstory]

That idea has been tossed around on this board with frequency over the past few years.

Not sure why we haven't seen it. Although at times we dominate that matchup (Witten, Davis) anyway.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Kam Chancellor is generally our designated TE thumper.

 

[cacksman]

Maybe it leads to weaknesses in other areas of the defense?

Pats may have shut down Graham but they still gave up 27 points at home.

 

[formido]

It was surprising to me to learn that Seattle is actually elite at stopping TEs so far this year; Football Outsiders has us ranked #3 in DVOA while defending TEs. That wasn't the only surprise either -- here's our current ranks defending various positions in pass defense:

#1 WR: 26th
#2 WR: 27th
Other WR: 3rd
TE: 3rd
RB: 3rd

 

[bestfightstory]

It was surprising to me to learn that Seattle is actually elite at stopping TEs so far this year; Football Outsiders has us ranked #3 in DVOA while defending TEs.

It flies in the face of conventional wisdom round these parts.

 

[kf3339]

It was surprising to me to learn that Seattle is actually elite at stopping TEs so far this year; Football Outsiders has us ranked #3 in DVOA while defending TEs. That wasn't the only surprise either -- here's our current ranks defending various positions in pass defense:

#1 WR: 26th
#2 WR: 27th
Other WR: 3rd
TE: 3rd
RB: 3rd

So you are saying that this site has us ranked 26th and 27th for pass defense against our opponents #1 and #2 WR with our Pro Bowl corners? And that is out of 32 teams in the league. Am I missing something?

 

[ClumsyLurk]

It was surprising to me to learn that Seattle is actually elite at stopping TEs so far this year; Football Outsiders has us ranked #3 in DVOA while defending TEs. That wasn't the only surprise either -- here's our current ranks defending various positions in pass defense:

#1 WR: 26th
#2 WR: 27th
Other WR: 3rd
TE: 3rd
RB: 3rd

So you are saying that this site has us ranked 26th and 27th for pass defense against our opponents #1 and #2 WR with our Pro Bowl corners? And that is out of 32 teams in the league. Am I missing something?

I'm missing it too. I suppose WR's are not putting up monster stats this yr?

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

It was surprising to me to learn that Seattle is actually elite at stopping TEs so far this year; Football Outsiders has us ranked #3 in DVOA while defending TEs. That wasn't the only surprise either -- here's our current ranks defending various positions in pass defense:

#1 WR: 26th
#2 WR: 27th
Other WR: 3rd
TE: 3rd
RB: 3rd

So you are saying that this site has us ranked 26th and 27th for pass defense against our opponents #1 and #2 WR with our Pro Bowl corners? And that is out of 32 teams in the league. Am I missing something?

I'm missing it too. I suppose WR's are not putting up monster stats this yr?

There are 25 better teams than us at shutting down #1 WR's? Thats a surprise.

 

[Ozzy]

It's based on volume and is misleading. Opposing teams throw very little against our corners so it's a small sample size. I love advanced stats but this is one area where it doesn't tell the whole picture. Quarterbacks hate playing our secondary and usually avoid throwing at our guys unless they have to.

 

[Hawks46]

I've see one good game against Sherman this year, and maybe 2 against Browner. I'd hardly think there were 25 other CBs out there giving up less stats than Sherman and Browner.

I have noticed that TE's weren't doing what they did to us last year, but which good TEs have we really played ? Davis had a sore hamstring against us, and they lined him up outside against Sherman for a lot of that game. I'm stuggling to think of another good TE that we've faced.

 

[hawk45]

It was surprising to me to learn that Seattle is actually elite at stopping TEs so far this year; Football Outsiders has us ranked #3 in DVOA while defending TEs. That wasn't the only surprise either -- here's our current ranks defending various positions in pass defense:

#1 WR: 26th
#2 WR: 27th
Other WR: 3rd
TE: 3rd
RB: 3rd

So you are saying that this site has us ranked 26th and 27th for pass defense against our opponents #1 and #2 WR with our Pro Bowl corners? And that is out of 32 teams in the league. Am I missing something?

Yeah, if the statistical analysis that's supposed to prove our elite defense against TEs is the same statistical analysis that puts our corners at the bottom of the league, I'm going to have to flush both claims down the toilet thanks. Maybe the sample size for TE defenses is a better representation so maybe that ranking isn't quite as garbage, but the whole thing has to be suspect to me.

I will say that my scientific eye test tells me there has really only been one game this year where a TE just killed us, and I'm happy about that. And VD seems to piddle down his leg at Century Link field, so that's good. I think we'll struggle with the TEs that all teams struggle against because that's life. I wouldn't mind throwing WTIII outside and bringing Browner in against the TE when we face NO though. I don't care if that weakens us in other areas; the TE is Brees's biggest weapon, nearly his only weapon.

 

[Kixkahn]

Kam Chancellor is generally our designated TE thumper.

Blinky blinky Vernon Davis. :mrgreen:

 

[zhawk]

well...mark twain said, there are 3 kinds of lies. lies, damn lies and statistics. i'm with mark. :stirthepot:

 

[MLOhawks]

That's what the Patriots do on defense. They try to take away what they think is your best guy. Not every team plays D with that philosophy.

 

[HawkFan72]

Screw DVOA. I'm going by the eye test, which tells me we're one of the best at shutting down WRs and mediocre at shutting down TEs.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

Statistics are not a pure science. Anyone can quote statistics if they wish to present a position that fits their point of view. That being said, I read here exactly what I expect. What they dont pass to is our defensive powerhouse. Why would anyone do something that foolish? Hence, the rating. It does not fit their scores. However, if someone were to tally up all the scoring and how they scored along with the attempts and amount of yardage compared with the other teams and their percentages and the referee potential...that would be a scary program to keep up with. Especially with the program being in yearly status and up to date stats. You would have to hire a person for every game and watch every potential game's situation and JUDGE its outcome. And there are only so many hours in a day. LOL

 

[Basis4day]

Our defense is based on a number of moving parts going on at once, Browner being on the outside is part of it. Generally speaking we like the outside CBs to play the same side of the field (Only real change i recall to that was Sherman covering Boldin against SF)

Nickel CB's and outside CB's are two very different animals. I think it would be a mistake to just assume that Browner can match up with TEs in the slot. Based on his measurements i fully understand why it makes sense to fans. But we've played lots of great receiving TEs since Browner was a starter, but don't see the need to change the scheme. That signals to me they prefer BB on the outside.

 

[hawk45]

Our defense is based on a number of moving parts going on at once, Browner being on the outside is part of it. Generally speaking we like the outside CBs to play the same side of the field (Only real change i recall to that was Sherman covering Boldin against SF)

Nickel CB's and outside CB's are two very different animals. I think it would be a mistake to just assume that Browner can match up with TEs in the slot. Based on his measurements i fully understand why it makes sense to fans. But we've played lots of great receiving TEs since Browner was a starter, but don't see the need to change the scheme. That signals to me they prefer BB on the outside.

Same argument was made for why we shouldn't move Sherman all over the field against Boldin. We hadn't done it in the past, we must not like to do it. Sherman ended up following Boldin and disappearing him.

I don't think they'd be against giving it a shot.

 

[Basis4day]

Our defense is based on a number of moving parts going on at once, Browner being on the outside is part of it. Generally speaking we like the outside CBs to play the same side of the field (Only real change i recall to that was Sherman covering Boldin against SF)

Nickel CB's and outside CB's are two very different animals. I think it would be a mistake to just assume that Browner can match up with TEs in the slot. Based on his measurements i fully understand why it makes sense to fans. But we've played lots of great receiving TEs since Browner was a starter, but don't see the need to change the scheme. That signals to me they prefer BB on the outside.

Same argument was made for why we shouldn't move Sherman all over the field against Boldin. We hadn't done it in the past, we must not like to do it. Sherman ended up following Boldin and disappearing him.

I don't think they'd be against giving it a shot.

Had BB played that game I don't think we would have.