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Best wishes Sid and Red. Thank you.
Where did you get your numbers? Looks to me like you made them up.blkhwk":1xdmbmpb said:You cannot pay a DE starter $$$ to only play 20 snaps a game. I really think Red will be back.
CALIHAWK1":11wtyqhn said:McGruff":11wtyqhn said:themunn":11wtyqhn said:I don't like the Bryant cut because he didn't drop off, and probably had a better year in 2013 than in 2012 (though he was carrying an injury then).
I understand, it's a big number for the job he does... but the FO said he was worth it 2 years ago, now they're telling him "actually, no you're not".
it's certainly something that the rest of the team will notice when contract negotiations are on, and it will make things more difficult in the future
Actually, the front office gave him a contract, which he and his agent agreed to, which by the numbers said that unless you develop some pass rush moves and grow into an elite DE, you are probably going to get cut in 2014. Every player knows it and understands it.
Is that what the contract said for real? I find that hard to believe seeings he hasnt played in passing downs since PC took over and nothing about the system supports that at all.
McGruff":s3kvx9k8 said:CALIHAWK1":s3kvx9k8 said:McGruff":s3kvx9k8 said:themunn":s3kvx9k8 said:I don't like the Bryant cut because he didn't drop off, and probably had a better year in 2013 than in 2012 (though he was carrying an injury then).
I understand, it's a big number for the job he does... but the FO said he was worth it 2 years ago, now they're telling him "actually, no you're not".
it's certainly something that the rest of the team will notice when contract negotiations are on, and it will make things more difficult in the future
Actually, the front office gave him a contract, which he and his agent agreed to, which by the numbers said that unless you develop some pass rush moves and grow into an elite DE, you are probably going to get cut in 2014. Every player knows it and understands it.
Is that what the contract said for real? I find that hard to believe seeings he hasnt played in passing downs since PC took over and nothing about the system supports that at all.
By the numbers . . . Meaning Red and everyone else knows that you don't pay 8.5 million dollars to a part time run stuffig end who is approaching 30 years old.
McGruff":117gd95z said:CALIHAWK1":117gd95z said:McGruff":117gd95z said:themunn":117gd95z said:I don't like the Bryant cut because he didn't drop off, and probably had a better year in 2013 than in 2012 (though he was carrying an injury then).
I understand, it's a big number for the job he does... but the FO said he was worth it 2 years ago, now they're telling him "actually, no you're not".
it's certainly something that the rest of the team will notice when contract negotiations are on, and it will make things more difficult in the future
Actually, the front office gave him a contract, which he and his agent agreed to, which by the numbers said that unless you develop some pass rush moves and grow into an elite DE, you are probably going to get cut in 2014. Every player knows it and understands it.
Is that what the contract said for real? I find that hard to believe seeings he hasnt played in passing downs since PC took over and nothing about the system supports that at all.
By the numbers . . . Meaning Red and everyone else knows that you don't pay 8.5 million dollars to a part time run stuffig end who is approaching 30 years old.
CALIHAWK1":380c9evn said:To kind of echo what Scott said its all about garuntees. On top of that with the lack of garuntees in the NFL, why would a player sign a contract for less dollars to "see it through" when he can be cut at any time for any reason.
I can't speak for Cali, but while you are right, I wasn't saying he KNEW he would get cut, just saying he and his agent had to be aware that the contract made it possible.themunn":1qdi9qv8 said:CALIHAWK1":1qdi9qv8 said:To kind of echo what Scott said its all about garuntees. On top of that with the lack of garuntees in the NFL, why would a player sign a contract for less dollars to "see it through" when he can be cut at any time for any reason.
Because it also reduces your chance of getting cut?
At the end of the day, why would you accept a contract that offers 14 million guaranteed and 35 million total but you "know you'll get cut" at the end of year 2 when you could accept 14 million guaranteed, 28 million total where you actually have a realistic chance of seeing the 28 million?
No player accepts a contract where they "know" they'll get cut at the end of the second year, they more than likely sign it expecting to see it through to the end unless their performance dips (which Bryant's did not, and if anything, probably had one of his best seasons as a Hawk). Literally hundreds of players make it to the end of their contracts every year, players being cut because their salary is too high without any dip in performance is the exception, not the rule, and usually they would see offers of a restructure before anything else.
themunn":2sf2xmo4 said:CALIHAWK1":2sf2xmo4 said:To kind of echo what Scott said its all about garuntees. On top of that with the lack of garuntees in the NFL, why would a player sign a contract for less dollars to "see it through" when he can be cut at any time for any reason.
Because it also reduces your chance of getting cut?
At the end of the day, why would you accept a contract that offers 14 million guaranteed and 35 million total but you "know you'll get cut" at the end of year 2 when you could accept 14 million guaranteed, 28 million total where you actually have a realistic chance of seeing the 28 million?
No player accepts a contract where they "know" they'll get cut at the end of the second year, they more than likely sign it expecting to see it through to the end unless their performance dips (which Bryant's did not, and if anything, probably had one of his best seasons as a Hawk). Literally hundreds of players make it to the end of their contracts every year, players being cut because their salary is too high without any dip in performance is the exception, not the rule, and usually they would see offers of a restructure before anything else.
onanygivensunday":nbc1p6fa said:Where did you get your numbers? Looks to me like you made them up.blkhwk":nbc1p6fa said:You cannot pay a DE starter $$$ to only play 20 snaps a game. I really think Red will be back.
Red played 460 snaps this year and he missed one game due to a concussion.
That equates to 30 snaps/game and I'm not counting special teams snaps either.
Snaps number source... http://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?id=6367
blkhwk":28l02gh6 said:onanygivensunday":28l02gh6 said:Where did you get your numbers? Looks to me like you made them up.blkhwk":28l02gh6 said:You cannot pay a DE starter $$$ to only play 20 snaps a game. I really think Red will be back.
Red played 460 snaps this year and he missed one game due to a concussion.
That equates to 30 snaps/game and I'm not counting special teams snaps either.
Snaps number source... http://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?id=6367
He is more valuable in our defense than in others. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at a cheaper rate.
CALIHAWK1":lu08pulc said:blkhwk":lu08pulc said:onanygivensunday":lu08pulc said:Where did you get your numbers? Looks to me like you made them up.blkhwk":lu08pulc said:You cannot pay a DE starter $$$ to only play 20 snaps a game. I really think Red will be back.
Red played 460 snaps this year and he missed one game due to a concussion.
That equates to 30 snaps/game and I'm not counting special teams snaps either.
Snaps number source... http://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?id=6367
He is more valuable in our defense than in others. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at a cheaper rate.
If that was the case I believe he would have restructured. NE and a few others made a run at him during his last FA. He could be a productive 3-4 end in other systems.
blkhwk":2cm7xwde said:CALIHAWK1":2cm7xwde said:blkhwk":2cm7xwde said:onanygivensunday":2cm7xwde said:Where did you get your numbers? Looks to me like you made them up.blkhwk said:You cannot pay a DE starter $$$ to only play 20 snaps a game. I really think Red will be back.
Red played 460 snaps this year and he missed one game due to a concussion.
That equates to 30 snaps/game and I'm not counting special teams snaps either.
Snaps number source... http://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?id=6367
He is more valuable in our defense than in others. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at a cheaper rate.
If that was the case I believe he would have restructured. NE and a few others made a run at him during his last FA. He could be a productive 3-4 end in other systems.
He probably has a number from Seattle, he will test the market and if he can get more he will. Otherwise, I would expect him back.