Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)

[IBleedBlueAndGreen]

Obviously meant TORN labrum but can't edit from my phone.

 

[NinerLifer]

Long term, this injury is not that severe. At worst, he will return late October/early November. Until then you guys will operate with the same offense from last year.

Now you guys are in the same boat as 49ers fans. Crabtree is expected to make his return around that time.

Not the same boat, we'd be operating with our same starters as last year, who proved solid and productive especially in the 2nd half of the season.. Niners on the other hand will have Boldin, Davis and a handfull of question marks.. big differnce.

Fair. But we will also have Mario Manningham back this season, along with Kyle Williams. Those two receivers along with Boldin are formidable until Crabtree gets back.

Btw, you know that wasn't the point I was making. All I said was that, at the very worst, you guys would be expecting your #1 WR to return around the same time as the 49ers #1. Why are you so sensitive?

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/ ... -camp.html

So the same day Harvin gets put on the PUP list, the Niners get Kyle Williams back from it. Talk about a swing of events today between the 2 super powers of the NFC West.

It always sucks to hear that one of the best players on your team goes down with an injury. I agree though that while your offense will not have the added benefit of Harvin for about as long as we are without Crabtree, the real cog that your offense's success hinges on is Wilson. As long as he stays healthy you guys will be ok.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Sports Certified Physical Therapist's perspective here: a turn labrum in the hip can mean almost nothing, or it could be really bad. For those that don't know, the labrum is a ring of connective tissue that goes around the outside of the entire socket to help deepen the socket and provide more stability to the joint. The labrum can be torn at any point in that ring but the location of the tear (i.e. the o'clock vs nine o'clock position) and the size of the tear are what's important.

We will likely never know those specifics. If a tear is small enough, or in some locations then it just means he plays through some discomfort. If the tear is in other locations, or if it's big enough then surgery is required because of the lack of stability in the hip joint that occurs. Without surgical repair the tear could get bigger, or other secondary injuries could occur because of new sloppy mechanics in the joint.

Considering he was playing at full speed very recently and had a complaint of some hip discomfort during OTAs my best guess is that this is not something that will require surgery. I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't see the practice field until 2-3 weeks from now if the hip is already inflamed. Note: I have nothing to base that on other than his recent timeline and my educated speculation.

Hopefully I'm correct.

Thank you, and hopefully you are indeed correct.

 

[volsunghawk]

Sports Certified Physical Therapist's perspective here: a turn labrum in the hip can mean almost nothing, or it could be really bad. For those that don't know, the labrum is a ring of connective tissue that goes around the outside of the entire socket to help deepen the socket and provide more stability to the joint. The labrum can be torn at any point in that ring but the location of the tear (i.e. the o'clock vs nine o'clock position) and the size of the tear are what's important.

We will likely never know those specifics. If a tear is small enough, or in some locations then it just means he plays through some discomfort. If the tear is in other locations, or if it's big enough then surgery is required because of the lack of stability in the hip joint that occurs. Without surgical repair the tear could get bigger, or other secondary injuries could occur because of new sloppy mechanics in the joint.

Considering he was playing at full speed very recently and had a complaint of some hip discomfort during OTAs my best guess is that this is not something that will require surgery. I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't see the practice field until 2-3 weeks from now if the hip is already inflamed. Note: I have nothing to base that on other than his recent timeline and my educated speculation.

Hopefully I'm correct.

No, didn't you hear? He sprained his prima donna and is out for the season.

Ah, .NET. We may have just started training camp, but the board is in midseason form already. :34853_doh:

 

[Sarlacc83]

Did you just use the words formidable and Kyle Williams in a sentence? I get that you can probably club someone to death with those hands of stones, but that's not exactly allowed on the football field.

Kyle Williams is equivalent to Baldwin and this forum seems to think Baldwin is a formidable receiver. So yeah using your logic it makes sense. And Kyle has great hands as a receiver. I can't recall him dropping a pass. Sure, he muffed some crucial punts, but that is not an indictment on his receiving skills.

In other words, you're concocting a strawman argument based on things I never said (and which isn't even the prevailing opinion of this board, discounting the fact that most people think he's a warrior after getting back on the field after the Arizona game). Furthermore, Dougie Fresh had 2 TDs against SF, didn't he? Looks to me like your savior has amassed a whopping 22 yards on 2 catches against Seattle.

And yes, dropping crucial punts IS an indictment. An indictment about his hands of stone. My head hurts after looking at this poor attempt at this defense of what's going to be a terrible receiving corps next year.

 

[SoHo9erFan]

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/ ... -camp.html

So the same day Harvin gets put on the PUP list, the Niners get Kyle Williams back from it. Talk about a swing of events today between the 2 super powers of the NFC West.

It always sucks to hear that one of the best players on your team goes down with an injury. I agree though that while your offense will not have the added benefit of Harvin for about as long as we are without Crabtree, the real cog that your offense's success hinges on is Wilson. As long as he stays healthy you guys will be ok.

Your assuming Harvin will miss extended time, which hasn't been confirmed yet.

 

[davidonmi]

I can name a bunch of more valuable guys than Percy
Okung, Ungar, lynch, Russ, sherm, earl, miller, wagz, we have depth, the big deal for me is the contract

 

[JSeahawks]

Man, if he gives us a couple KR TDs and 1200 yards combined rushing and receiving, he can miss all the practices he wants.

Production when the games count is all I care about unless you kill another man or something like that.

Depends on the quality of the man he killed... I could be willing to look past it if its a case of population control.

But seriously, i'm fine with him just showing up on gameday and in the film room.

 

[-The Glove-]

Long term, this injury is not that severe. At worst, he will return late October/early November. Until then you guys will operate with the same offense from last year.

Now you guys are in the same boat as 49ers fans. Crabtree is expected to make his return around that time.

Not the same boat, we'd be operating with our same starters as last year, who proved solid and productive especially in the 2nd half of the season.. Niners on the other hand will have Boldin, Davis and a handfull of question marks.. big differnce.

Fair. But we will also have Mario Manningham back this season, along with Kyle Williams. Those two receivers along with Boldin are formidable until Crabtree gets back.

Btw, you know that wasn't the point I was making. All I said was that, at the very worst, you guys would be expecting your #1 WR to return around the same time as the 49ers #1. Why are you so sensitive?

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/ ... -camp.html

So the same day Harvin gets put on the PUP list, the Niners get Kyle Williams back from it. Talk about a swing of events today between the 2 super powers of the NFC West.

It always sucks to hear that one of the best players on your team goes down with an injury. I agree though that while your offense will not have the added benefit of Harvin for about as long as we are without Crabtree, the real cog that your offense's success hinges on is Wilson. As long as he stays healthy you guys will be ok.

Thanks for that Niner...I thought the season was over, but now that you've made your comment, I'm not so ready to jump off that 3 foot ledge.

 

[SonicHawk]

Percy Harvin is not the end of the Seahawks hopes. Yes, his replacement won't have the breakout speed and strength as Harvin but certainly serviceable until Harvin is at 100% again (which will probably be before the season starts). Just hope the Hawks don't rush him back and I don't see any reason they will.

All is well in Renton.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Man, if he gives us a couple KR TDs and 1200 yards combined rushing and receiving, he can miss all the practices he wants.

Production when the games count is all I care about unless you kill another man or something like that.

Depends on the quality of the man he killed... I could be willing to look past it if its a case of population control.

But seriously, i'm fine with him just showing up on gameday and in the film room.

Me too.

Shoot, if Zach Miller and Marshawn Lynch want to join him until the season starts, I'm fine with that, too.

 

[SoHo9erFan]

Did you just use the words formidable and Kyle Williams in a sentence? I get that you can probably club someone to death with those hands of stones, but that's not exactly allowed on the football field.

Kyle Williams is equivalent to Baldwin and this forum seems to think Baldwin is a formidable receiver. So yeah using your logic it makes sense. And Kyle has great hands as a receiver. I can't recall him dropping a pass. Sure, he muffed some crucial punts, but that is not an indictment on his receiving skills.

In other words, you're concocting a strawman argument based on things I never said (and which isn't even the prevailing opinion of this board, discounting the fact that most people think he's a warrior after getting back on the field after the Arizona game). Furthermore, Dougie Fresh had 2 TDs against SF, didn't he? Looks to me like your savior has amassed a whopping 22 yards on 2 catches against Seattle.

And yes, dropping crucial punts IS an indictment. An indictment about his hands of stone. My head hurts looking at this poor attempt at this defense of what's going to be a terrible receiving corps next year.

Whatever. He only played one game against your squad. The one game was with Alex Smith at QB who rarely targeted WRs compared to Kaep. Kyle was a huge loss last season. Same with Manningham. Both went down around the same time Kaep became the started. Imagine what those receivers could do in an offense that was more aggressive than an Alex Smith offense. Mario and Kyle will return by Week 1. Both are formidable receivers. Your blind hate is really old.

 

[NinerLifer]

Wondering though...

If given the option, would you rather Harvin decide to go ahead with surgery if it means that he would be available prior to the post-season, or would some of you rather him elect to not have surgery at all and take the chance of him injuring it further which would result in him missing the remainder of the season from that point?

There are disadvantages to both scenarios, but given that defenders will no doubt target that hip if he doesn't elect surgery, choosing to have the surgery now would possibly be in his and your teams best interest.

 

[m0ng0]

I agree, if it IS torn then yep get it done immediately!

 

[SonicHawk]

Wondering though...

If given the option, would you rather Harvin decide to go ahead with surgery if it means that he would be available prior to the post-season, or would some of you rather him elect to not have surgery at all and take the chance of him injuring it further which would result in him missing the remainder of the season from that point?

There are disadvantages to both scenarios, but given that defenders will no doubt target that hip if he doesn't elect surgery, choosing to have the surgery now would possibly be in his and your teams best interest.

Probably an off-season surgery. It may not heal correctly and will be easy to re-injure but after a few weeks of rest it will be fine to play on.

 

[SoHo9erFan]

Wondering though...

If given the option, would you rather Harvin decide to go ahead with surgery if it means that he would be available prior to the post-season, or would some of you rather him elect to not have surgery at all and take the chance of him injuring it further which would result in him missing the remainder of the season from that point?

There are disadvantages to both scenarios, but given that defenders will no doubt target that hip if he doesn't elect surgery, choosing to have the surgery now would possibly be in his and your teams best interest.

You do the surgery. Plain and simple. It might not come down to that though. The doctors could clear him to play without any concern going forward.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Depends on how torn it is. A slight tear will be fine with therapy. Just have him run a handful of snaps in the pre-season to get a smidge of gametime with the offense and don't let him return a kickoff until the regular season.

I really am sad that Leon Washington just isn't a good runner out of the backfield anymore and that we couldn't justify holding onto him because having him waiting in the wings would make this a ton easier. Of course, with Michael and Ware being drafted, he STILL might not make this team even if he was a better conventional runner.

 

[Hawknballs]

if he needs surgery get the surgery, Russell Wilson will deal with it.

 

[davidonmi]

We don't need him that badly so surgery now is my preferance

 

[kearly]

Sports Certified Physical Therapist's perspective here: a turn labrum in the hip can mean almost nothing, or it could be really bad. For those that don't know, the labrum is a ring of connective tissue that goes around the outside of the entire socket to help deepen the socket and provide more stability to the joint. The labrum can be torn at any point in that ring but the location of the tear (i.e. the o'clock vs nine o'clock position) and the size of the tear are what's important.

We will likely never know those specifics. If a tear is small enough, or in some locations then it just means he plays through some discomfort. If the tear is in other locations, or if it's big enough then surgery is required because of the lack of stability in the hip joint that occurs. Without surgical repair the tear could get bigger, or other secondary injuries could occur because of new sloppy mechanics in the joint.

Considering he was playing at full speed very recently and had a complaint of some hip discomfort during OTAs my best guess is that this is not something that will require surgery. I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't see the practice field until 2-3 weeks from now if the hip is already inflamed. Note: I have nothing to base that on other than his recent timeline and my educated speculation.

Hopefully I'm correct.

Thanks for the insight and perspective. Like you, I can only make an educated guess, but I suspect the odds of Harvin getting surgery soon are less than 50%. If this is a serious enough problem to warrant surgery, then I think it's pretty likely that Harvin would have brought the subject up in June when he first felt discomfort. Also, Carroll is known for having players play through pain and minor injuries. He's not reckless, but he does like to take chances with borderline injury situations- particularly for good starters. Avril, Bennett, Miller, Red Bryant (in 2012) and Tjack (in 2011) are examples of that.