Happy for the win but...

[Sgt. Largent]

1 sack (almost had another) plus 5 TFL's on top of the 3 sacks and 5 TFL's from the previous week isn't panic mode yet. Plus PFF has the Patriots O-Line ranked #7 this year.

Only nine teams have less sacks than us, and we're currently rated dead last in total defense.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense

Don't fool yourself, this is not a great, or even good defense right now. Other than Bobby and Adams, it's a bottom 10 defense, and right now playing even worse.

IMO it's all the D-line, you've got 4-5 mediocre D-linemen that are not only mediocre, but playing too many snaps already because there's no one behind them either.

So idk what the answer is, but we can't keep doing this every week hoping Russell plays perfect and puts up 40 pts. The division is too talented for this to be the plan going forward.

Bring in dudes for workouts, look at trades.....again, idk. But gotta do something.

 

[TwistedHusky]

This team has some gaps.

But every team has gaps.

We have a decent secondary. We have a middling DL. Maybe a terrible one.

There is zero excuse for being dead last on defense. Even with the injuries. When you are dead last, that is ALWAYS on the DC.

Because there are other teams doing a better job of playing defense with comparable or even less talent.

Bringing in extra players will not fix that. Because while we have some depth challenges, the biggest challenge is the guy running the defense.

 

[LTH]

I love these posts.. we applied pressure almsot NONE for a reason....

You CANNOT be serious..

When it counts dline comes out

This forum is a joke sometimes

Thank you!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It really comes down to one simple question: Did they win?
Again, for the 734th time, NO style points in the NFL. You either get the W or the L. Period.
I'm sorry if it doesn't look a certain way and/or how some people want it to. So what? They WON.
Nobody is saying the D doesn't need work. However, they made a HUGE play to win the game. That's a hell of a lot more important than a bunch stats thrown up. There's one stat that matters: Wins or Losses.

 

[Cyrus12]

Maybe Quinn gets fired and we can make a change mid-season?

This is the worst D-line of Pete's tenure here, and it's not even close.

Nope its all good 2-0...

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Maybe Quinn gets fired and we can make a change mid-season?

This is the worst D-line of Pete's tenure here, and it's not even close.

Nope its all good 2-0...

These things have nothing to do with each other. The Bears are 2-0.

 

[Seymour]

Happy for the win but......it's not even that close if we get 1 yard on 3rd and 1 instead of playing hero ball and going for the deep strike that wasn't necessary with a 5 point lead. :141847_bnono:

 

[RCATES]

I feel the Dline was getting pressure and on all their replays they were, just gotta give credit to the Zebras for ignoring the tremendous amounts of holding that the Patriots literally got away with.

Not sure what game you were watching, but that was one of the worst games of the Pete Carroll era for D-line pass pressure play.

Cam Newton had over 10 pass plays where he got to his 3rd option, that's criminal for a defense.

The worst part is there is no answer, and it's gonna get even worse if Irvin is hurt and out for weeks.

These apologist for this god awful Defense are hilarious. Hawks were at full strength last week and gave up 500+ to Matt Ryan. 2 weeks straight getting flat out diced up. Zero Pass rush, aging LB's and a overhyped secondary.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not as hilarious as you people who can't be happy with WINS. Sorry that they are not winning the way you want them to. Give it a rest man. We get it, they are worst defense in the history of the NFL. Better?

 

[Own The West]

I was wondering if the DL had instructions to try a move, but if they didn’t win to control their gaps in case Cam ran. A lot of times it looked like they were just locking up and not trying counters or speed rushes or anything that would take them out of their lanes.

Wasn’t particularly happy with Adams this game either. He got beat over the top twice by Edelman and gave up a TD at the goal line by abandoning his man and selling out on the run. The one time he got home on a blitz, Cam ducked him and he flew by out of control. Not sure if he’s got free license, read too much of his press last week or what, but he wasn’t doing his job.

A lot of ugly covered up by the W. Were lucky that Diggs will be back and our injuries were in our deepest position groups or we’d be in worse shape for the Cowboys. We’re going to have to clean our act up this week and play decent football.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Happy for the win but...

...this place remains insufferable even after a close win against the best HC in NFL history.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

That was one hell of a battle for sure. Looking forward to another high scoring close WIN next week. And more of the same after. 3-0 would be a hell of a way to start the year, regardless how it looks. Plenty of work to do for sure.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Happy for the win but...

...this place remains insufferable even after a close win against the best HC in NFL history.

2-0, I'm ecstatic, especially considering we were a yard away from 1-1.

Doesn't mean there aren't some glaring issues to discuss. Are we only allowed to be critical or negative after losses?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Def. some real work to do on the defense, especially on 3rd downs and giving up huge chunk plays. Really hoping they pick up a guy or two this week for that pass rush.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Are we only allowed to be critical or negative after losses?

Nope, we get to be critical about everything, including insufferable and critical posts.

It's the new civility--being outright negative about everything and far less appreciative of what is in front of us. What would benefit this board more is some great analysis of specific plays. But most of the posters with the ability to do that well are now gone.

I'm glad you're ecstatic about the win, Sgt. I appreciated it, too, and hope to see more. If the D improves even just a bit, we'll be very difficult to stop even in the playoffs.

 

[Rat]

I'm very happy about wins. I'm so happy, in fact, that I want the team to improve in trouble areas so we can feel the ecstasy of many wins, and maybe even a championship.

I hope Pete doesn't just say "2-0" and not care about what is sustainable. Should always be looking to improve.

 

[Ad Hawk]

I'm very happy about wins. I'm so happy, in fact, that I want the team to improve in trouble areas so we can feel the ecstasy of many wins, and maybe even a championship.

I hope Pete doesn't just say "2-0" and not care about what is sustainable. Should always be looking to improve.

Why would anyone think PC doesn't want to have the best team in the NFL, and constantly be trying to improve? Because he doesn't make the choices that loud fans wish/hope for, or even demand? That's the insufferable part.

Every head coach in the NFL wants to be the best, but not all of them have the skills, mental ability, grasp of the game, overall philosophy, injury luck, drafting foresight/luck, etc. Some coaches are better in some areas than others, and the best are rising to the top.

I'd put Belichick at the very top. Who would I put between him and Pete? Andy Reid? Probably not. John Harbaugh? No. McVay? Arians? No way. And considering Pete's record with Seattle against the Patriots and Belichick, the gap between the two wouldn't be that big either.

 

[NJlargent]

The Carson slide is the same as arguing the defense gave up the 4th quarter lead in 49. Attempts to distract from the obvious terrible call.

 

[Rat]

I'm very happy about wins. I'm so happy, in fact, that I want the team to improve in trouble areas so we can feel the ecstasy of many wins, and maybe even a championship.

I hope Pete doesn't just say "2-0" and not care about what is sustainable. Should always be looking to improve.

Why would anyone think PC doesn't want to have the best team in the NFL, and constantly be trying to improve? Because he doesn't make the choices that loud fans wish/hope for, or even demand? That's the insufferable part.

Every head coach in the NFL wants to be the best, but not all of them have the skills, mental ability, grasp of the game, overall philosophy, injury luck, drafting foresight/luck, etc. Some coaches are better in some areas than others, and the best are rising to the top.

I'd put Belichick at the very top. Who would I put between him and Pete? Andy Reid? Probably not. John Harbaugh? No. McVay? Arians? No way. And considering Pete's record with Seattle against the Patriots and Belichick, the gap between the two wouldn't be that big either.

Nobody would think that. But apparently questioning what we can do better is “doom and gloom” and “not enjoying wins”.

 

[Ad Hawk]

I'm very happy about wins. I'm so happy, in fact, that I want the team to improve in trouble areas so we can feel the ecstasy of many wins, and maybe even a championship.

I hope Pete doesn't just say "2-0" and not care about what is sustainable. Should always be looking to improve.

Why would anyone think PC doesn't want to have the best team in the NFL, and constantly be trying to improve? Because he doesn't make the choices that loud fans wish/hope for, or even demand? That's the insufferable part.

Every head coach in the NFL wants to be the best, but not all of them have the skills, mental ability, grasp of the game, overall philosophy, injury luck, drafting foresight/luck, etc. Some coaches are better in some areas than others, and the best are rising to the top.

I'd put Belichick at the very top. Who would I put between him and Pete? Andy Reid? Probably not. John Harbaugh? No. McVay? Arians? No way. And considering Pete's record with Seattle against the Patriots and Belichick, the gap between the two wouldn't be that big either.

Nobody would think that. But apparently questioning what we can do better is “doom and gloom” and “not enjoying wins”.

If nobody would think that about PC, why did you suggest it? Why even say you "hope he doesn't..." as if he could? Again, that's very different from talking about areas we think could be improved. Pete is not the perfect coach, and his flaws have certainly lost us games. How many? I'm not sure, but many fewer than he has helped us win.

Things I'd like to see improve:
Never or very rarely see prevent D on 3rd and 10 or longer to go.
A bit more misdirection plays on offense, though we've done a bit more already this year than in the past, I think.
More screen passes when the the opponent rushes 5 or more.
Disguise defensive coverages better, and see a CB blitz more often

I'd love to hear the pros and cons to these more strategy-based issues. What am I missing by suggesting these?