Golden Tate signs with the Lions

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ESPN is reporting that the Lions signed him for 5 years at $31 million, including $13.25 million guaranteed. Supposedly, the Seahawks offer was 4 years for somewhere around $20 million. Who can blame him for making the move for that kind of money. Careers are short - they have to make it while they can.

If this is true, Seahawk fans have NOTHING to bitch about. The choice to go for that much more money is totally 100% reasonable. Golden deserves our thanks for all the great plays and our congratulations on his nice contract with a team willing to pay him much more than the Seahawks.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

@davebirkett 4m
Tate said he's excited to be in a pass-first offense "especially coming from a run heavy offense that all the notoriety went to the defense"

That was what I said would sway him yesterday.

Not surprising. You're usually on top of things like this. Good call.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Fair enough, IF that's exactly what was offered, he chose to go for more money. It makes sense, but still frustrating as hell.

Cracks me up how someone can't have an opinion w/out being a "hater" :?

 

[MidwestHawker]

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Pete Damilatis ‏@PFF_Pete 9m
Golden Tate has dropped 5 of 149 catchable passes in the last 3 seasons, lowest rate of any WR. Best hands in the NFL. #Lions

:thumbup:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He plays for the Lions now, who cares :lol:

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Come on it's obvious that we either offered him far less or nothing at all. It's Detroit think about that.

"It's Detroit" doesn't hurt much once you've already got a ring. Besides, they have a very good QB and will throw the ball to Tate a lot more. I can see the the attractiveness to him signing there, no doubt about it.

No argument but it's Detroit even Barry Sanders was made irrelevant. I'm not mad at him, make your money. But Detroit? C'mon Golden you're so disappointing.

 

[ImTheScientist]

@davebirkett 4m
Tate said he's excited to be in a pass-first offense "especially coming from a run heavy offense that all the notoriety went to the defense"

He is going to find out fast that the game isn't as fun when losing with locker room problems and a shit coach/front office.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Lock this thread up.....it should be moved to the NFL forum. Its not about a Seahawk.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

pow

 

[MidwestHawker]

There's obviously a chance he could end up hating his decision. As someone who doesn't like the Lions, I do hope he has to endure losing seasons there simply because I'm not going to stop rooting against them regardless of him signing there. That said, I hope he is happy with the decision over the long haul and I wish him continued individual success.

 

[WilsonMVP]

Harvin is on a different tier than Tate. Harvin had more YAC in 2012 than Tate had all of 2013 and he only played like half the season.

Harvin had 62 receptions in 2012 despite playing half the season. Tate had 64 receptions in 2013. Harvin averaged a league-leading 8.7 yards after the catch per reception in 2012, while Tate averaged a league-leading 7.9 yards after the catch per reception in 2013. Don't undervalue Tate, IMO.

Did you see Harvins 2012 season. Harvin is quite literally better than Tate at everything. Harvin was also playing with a guy called Christian Ponder and quite possibly the worst coach/O coordinator tandum in Frazier and Musgrave.

As a returner in general he is better than Tate. Just look at the impact he had this season. 2 returns, 1 for 58 yards the other for a TD in the superbowl. For his career he is 6th all time in kick return avg and top 10 for TDs.

Assuming Harvin is healthy I dont think anyone will miss Tate this year. You can see the Impact Harvin has on this offense when he is in the game. I never saw that from Tate. Outside of Harvins rookie year he has played with absolute garbage at the QB position. I think he can go for 1000 yards here if he is healthy next year.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Agreed.

 

[plyka]

Seems like a lot of sour grapes. I wasn't hearing about all of these complaints about Tate being ineffective at the line before today.

Talk for yourself buddy, I was singing this tune over and over and over. It was clear as day that the Hawks were not going to sign Tate, because he is not worth it for this team. He may be worth it for the incredibly talented Detroit Lions, but not the Seahawks, and here are the reasons why:

1) Baldwin/Percy/Kearse. These 3 players are all very similar to Tate (some in different ways). This team needs a big bodied WR, one that can provide a redzone threat and beat teams deep. One that Wilson can "throw open."

2) Money. This team is coming off of a superbowl, and what generally happens is superbowl players get overpaid. Thats why I thought Bennett was gone too, I thought he would garner $10m per year. He decided to stay for a great deal. No way in the world Tate is worth more than 4m to this Hawks team.

3) Tate gets shut down in single coverage. His positives are his YAC, hands and running back like skills AFTER he catches the ball. But get a pretty good corner on him that challenges him at the line, and he is shut down. His only chance at that point is a jump ball (low percentage play) that you have to hope the CB is going to misplay.

Baldwin or Tate, or Percy or Tate --those are your picks. If you pick Tate over either Percy or Baldwin, then you're making a mistake.

 

[WilsonMVP]

@davebirkett 4m
Tate said he's excited to be in a pass-first offense "especially coming from a run heavy offense that all the notoriety went to the defense"

He is going to find out fast that the game isn't as fun when losing with locker room problems and a shit coach/front office.

And having the "pleasure" of playing outside in GB, Chicago AND Minnesota during the winter.

 

[plyka]

Seems like a lot of sour grapes. I wasn't hearing about all of these complaints about Tate being ineffective at the line before today.

Its the same thing as with Bennett. While testing FA "Bennett only had 8.5 sacks. Cliff Avril was a huge part of his success". After getting resigned "Yay! Bennett! So happy he is back!"

oh god...this is getting old, but I guess I have to explain it again.

The "forum" is not one entity with one conscience. In fact, it's not an entity at all. That's why you can have different points of view. One person says this, another says that. So if one person says "Bennett only had 8.5 sacks. Cliff Avril was a huge part of his success" before Bennett is signed, and another person says: "Yay! Bennett! So happy he is back!" after he is signed, this is not a contradiction. What you're doing is assigning what multiple posters say to one entity and then claiming there is a contradiction, because it fits your argument.

 

[MidwestHawker]

oh god...this is getting old, but I guess I have to explain it again.

The "forum" is not one entity with one conscience. In fact, it's not an entity at all. That's why you can have different points of view. One person says this, another says that. So if one person says "Bennett only had 8.5 sacks. Cliff Avril was a huge part of his success" before Bennett is signed, and another person says: "Yay! Bennett! So happy he is back!" after he is signed, this is not a contradiction. What you're doing is assigning what multiple posters say to one entity and then claiming there is a contradiction, because it fits your argument.

You're out of your mind if you don't think individual posters flip and turn on a dime with this stuff in exactly the way he described. You don't have to take it personally as if it was somehow directed at you.

 

[-The Glove-]

Seems like a lot of sour grapes. I wasn't hearing about all of these complaints about Tate being ineffective at the line before today.

Its the same thing as with Bennett. While testing FA "Bennett only had 8.5 sacks. Cliff Avril was a huge part of his success". After getting resigned "Yay! Bennett! So happy he is back!"

oh god...this is getting old, but I guess I have to explain it again.

The "forum" is not one entity with one conscience. In fact, it's not an entity at all. That's why you can have different points of view. One person says this, another says that. So if one person says "Bennett only had 8.5 sacks. Cliff Avril was a huge part of his success" before Bennett is signed, and another person says: "Yay! Bennett! So happy he is back!" after he is signed, this is not a contradiction. What you're doing is assigning what multiple posters say to one entity and then claiming there is a contradiction, because it fits your argument.

whatever guy

 

[Seanhawk]

Come on it's obvious that we either offered him far less or nothing at all. It's Detroit think about that.

"It's Detroit" doesn't hurt much once you've already got a ring. Besides, they have a very good QB and will throw the ball to Tate a lot more. I can see the the attractiveness to him signing there, no doubt about it.

No argument but it's Detroit even Barry Sanders was made irrelevant. I'm not mad at him, make your money. But Detroit? C'mon Golden you're so disappointing.

Ridiculous. Barry Sanders was never irrelevant. Not even close.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Did you see Harvins 2012 season. Harvin is quite literally better than Tate at everything. Harvin was also playing with a guy called Christian Ponder and quite possibly the worst coach/O coordinator tandum in Frazier and Musgrave.

As a returner in general he is better than Tate. Just look at the impact he had this season. 2 returns, 1 for 58 yards the other for a TD in the superbowl. For his career he is 6th all time in kick return avg and top 10 for TDs.

Assuming Harvin is healthy I dont think anyone will miss Tate this year. You can see the Impact Harvin has on this offense when he is in the game. I never saw that from Tate. Outside of Harvins rookie year he has played with absolute garbage at the QB position. I think he can go for 1000 yards here if he is healthy next year.

Sigh. I did not say, nor did I imply, Tate is better than or equal to Harvin. My only point is that your statement is misleading and unfair to what Tate has done, and can do. Harvin is an elite play maker, Tate is not that; but Tate is "almost as good" in some key ways when compared to Harvin. Really, the speed is the only notable difference.

 

[HawkFan72]

If notoriety and money were what Tate really wanted then he made the right decision by leaving.