Geno traded!

[Tusc2000]

Oh no, Russini reporting the Seahawks are targeting Darnold

Got to make sure you have something to complain about.

 

[Tusc2000]

Again why is everyone sooo against Darnold yet wants fields at the same age.. with lesser stats? I just don't get it. With a decent defense you still net 7 to 8 wins... still a terrible draft spot for a qb next year.... Everyone wanting these first round QBs, that over the years have panned out to nothing is odd.

Fields has never shown much. Darnold was in the MVP conversation last year. Going after Sam is the smart choice. Going after Fields is chasing fools gold.

 

[Tusc2000]

Purdy is a decade younger and much, much better.

Put Geno on the 2023 9ers and you still go to the Super Bowl. Maybe even win it.

 

[Tusc2000]

Oof. I'm sorry man, but I've already explained why several times. It's getting late and I've had a few so I'm going to make this short (er).

Darnold sucked for 6 years until he was on a really good offense. We don't have a really good offense. Darnold has been really bad when his OLine has been really bad. Our OLine is really bad.

The Vikes did not have a great o-line last year. Sam's failure in the last two games was in part due to their o-line being completely unable to protect him.

 

[SeaWolv]

Just a bad game.....

It wasn't just A bad game. It was two bad games in a row.

With the division championship on the line and home field advantage in the playoffs, he went 18/41 and no TDs. That game, with all it's playoff implications, was effectively a defacto playoff game and he stunk.

Then the very next game that WAS a playoff game, he throws a pick and fumbles the ball away that leads to a scoop and score and effectively puts the game out of reach. He goes 25/40 and 1 TD. Not good.

Darnold crapped the bed plain and simple. And he did it when his team needed him the most.

He's not the QB we need long term to take us to the SB. Good during the regular season but disappears in the big games.

No way I give that guy a long term deal and lock up a bunch of cap for him.

 

[Ozzy]

No I'm not. You just can't see it and/or wont admit it because you're one of the worst offenders with the strawman arguments.

sounds good dude.

 

[Ozzy]

Yeah for two years now, the same (mostly three) people were instantly on every mildly perceived slight of Geno like it was a Bat Call, armed with their stockpile of cherry-picked stats and blame for everyone else, and now they're claiming they weren't trying to argue that he's an elite QB? Funny stuff.

Yeah super frustrating, I’m just hoping that stuff calms down but I fear at the first sign of adversity they come out of the wood work and say “I told you so!” Just like they did with Macdonald early on.

 

[Ozzy]

I have always argued that Geno has the talent to give top 5-10 performances if provided a contender-caliber supporting cast. This is not the same thing as definitively calling a player "elite."

As if there aren't 3 or more on the other side of Geno debate who became largely one-issue posters engaging in mostly bad faith rhetoric.

For the 100th time it’s happening on BOTH SIDES. That’s why people get frustrated with you man.

And that’s not the argument most pro Geno guys are using at all and you know it.

How about this. How about everyone move on and start talking about Seahawks QBs from here on out?

 

[Scout]

Fields has never shown much. Darnold was in the MVP conversation last year. Going after Sam is the smart choice. Going after Fields is chasing fools gold.

Smart choice is going with Fields to field a complete team for the QOTF. Personally I prefer the taam stick with Howell.

Darnold is fools gold.

 

[Titus Pullo]

What would be the point of trading an old QB only to bring in another old QB?

This team needs to go with the youth movement.

 

[Natethegreat]

Darnold had a good stretch with the Panthers as well. So last year was by far his best but not his only good stretch. I was firmly against bringing in Darnold when it looked like he would command a big contract but if the reports are true that he won't then I am good with it.
Darnold has outperformed Justin Fields in his play so far.
No way you could say otherwise.

 

[HOF Hater]

You might as well stick with Howell if you're gonna bring in Darnold, either choice is terrible, they must be targeting someone in the draft

 

[Seahawker]

Sounds like the .net consensus is no to Darnold, why immediately revert back to a bridge QB with similar talent? Use that cap $ for some serious team building, roll with Howell & a mid-round pick, wait for the 26' QB class when we have a ton of cap room to put the finishing touches on this team.
Fix the OLine, add a couple weapons, patch the D with dogs, then QB's will gravitate towards us. Be patient, great things ahead if we don't force things and put obstacles in our own way.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Yeah super frustrating, I’m just hoping that stuff calms down but I fear at the first sign of adversity they come out of the wood work and say “I told you so!” Just like they did with Macdonald early on.

It sounds to me like you're just manifesting the narrative early on and like you're going to take any criticism of Darnold or hindsight praise of Geno as "coming out of the woodwork."

I know multiple posters who literally would stop posting during stretches of Geno playing well only to return when he faltered. Again, the same thing all around. Super frustrating, as you describe it.

 

[Scout]

Sounds like the .net consensus is no to Darnold, why immediately revert back to a bridge QB with similar talent? Use that cap $ for some serious team building, roll with Howell & a mid-round pick, wait for the 26' QB class when we have a ton of cap room to put the finishing touches on this team.
Fix the OLine, add a couple weapons, patch the D with dogs, then QB's will gravitate towards us. Be patient, great things ahead if we don't force things and put obstacles in our own way.

That would probably be the best outcome but knowing JS he might do something stupid like overpay an average QB like Darnold.

 

[DarkVictory23]

The Vikes did not have a great o-line last year. Sam's failure in the last two games was in part due to their o-line being completely unable to protect him.

Vikings had a top 10 pass blocking line last year. (They were brought down by what they could do at run blocking). They were #2 in Pass Block Win Rate and top 10 in Time-To-Pressure.

Darnold just held onto the ball for a really long time. His time-to-throw is what you expect from a scrambling QB who buys lots of time with his legs, not a pocket passer.

I think with time in the pocket (which Minny gave him last year), he has plus arm talent and can throw timing routes quite well. Compared to Geno, he's not as accurate, holds the ball forever, more prone to getting rattled by pressure, and is less of an athlete at 27 as Geno was at 34. He's a lesser--but younger, and *hopefully* cheaper--version of Geno.

If we don't view him as anything more than a bridge... well, I don't know. I still think he might be our best option. For Kubiak's run first offense, though, I'm starting to think Jimmy G might be a legit choice. (Which is hilarious, because he flamed out pretty quickly in Vegas.)


I don't know. We had what was looking like a pretty bright season next year and I have absolutely no idea what to expect now. I wasn't on the 'we need to rebuild' train so I'm not immediately signing on to being a cheerleader for bad seasons.

If we invest heavily in the trenches and are smart with all our newfound cap space, I think this could be good but there is a huge contingent of people who seem to have forgotten (or simply never knew?) how easy it is to lock yourself into a tailspin and will quickly learn what actual NFL purgatory looks like. (Hint: It's not multiple winning seasons in a row).

 

[Ozzy]

It sounds to me like you're just manifesting the narrative early on and like you're going to take any criticism of Darnold or hindsight praise of Geno as "coming out of the woodwork."

I know multiple posters who literally would stop posting during stretches of Geno playing well only to return when he faltered. Again, the same thing all around. Super frustrating, as you describe it.

That’s funny because I proved your thesis wrong. You can search the board and I gave Geno praise every time he played well, often in conversations with you.

Now did some people not post? Yep you’re right just like the Pete apologists quit hammering Mike when things turned around. This proves my whole point. The idea that only one side did it is ridiculous yet you guys keep making it.

Your criticism is probably fair at least a little. I’m jaded because it got old with the Macdonald stuff and it will get old with the new QB too or with you and how you got frustrated with the anti Geno crowd.

I hope everyone can move on, enjoy that the Seahawks are trying to get better which is a good process even if the next QB falls flat on his face. I get people being bummed if their favorite player isn’t coming back, that is totally fair but pouting into the next year and being miserable watching your favorite team have success because of it is wild to me which is exactly what happened with Mike/pete. I hope it doesn’t happen again

 

[Natethegreat]

It sounds to me like you're just manifesting the narrative early on and like you're going to take any criticism of Darnold or hindsight praise of Geno as "coming out of the woodwork."

I know multiple posters who literally would stop posting during stretches of Geno playing well only to return when he faltered. Again, the same thing all around. Super frustrating, as you describe it.

Your right, it is definitely human nature to post something after you feel you have been proven right.
Definitely strong opinions both ways. Regardless I think it was a mutual parting of ways over what the contract should be and hopefully we can move on.

 

[Maelstrom787]

For the 100th time it’s happening on BOTH SIDES. That’s why people get frustrated with you man.

And that’s not the argument most pro Geno guys are using at all and you know it.

How about this. How about everyone move on and start talking about Seahawks QBs from here on out?

We can no longer talk about the quarterback who got traded from the team... yesterday? While we're actively talking about quarterbacks who MIGHT join the team? On a thread entitled "Geno Traded!" referencing the loss of a 3 year starter?

...what?

Anyway.

It is happening on BOTH sides. You consistently beat the shit out of one side and like react the posts of the other. You get frustrated with the same side regardless of whether or not their posts are good faith or bad, on topic or not, thought out or thoughtless. I am not the only one to notice this, and your obvious frustration well beyond that which others are exhibiting is a clear example of you taking this Geno culture war way too seriously.

There are posters who add to the discourse and posters who poison it. Their opinion on Geno Smith is irrelevant so long as they talk ball in a respectable manner. That's the way I see it. Plenty of good posters who I respect are cheering this move for football reasons I can understand the thought process behind, even if I do disagree - like getting younger, saving money, ripping off a band aid before significant age-related regression, etc.

I'm done getting worked up over this. I'm posting my football opinions going forward and I'd appreciate not being mentioned in your posts unless you are directly calling out my posting conduct and mine alone rather than lumping me into a pro-Geno cabal that I suspect you may want to witch hunt even post-trade.

 

[Ozzy]

I do sympathize with the Geno supporters. He was your favorite player and I get that. You have a right to be bummed or upset or even think this is a bad idea on Seattles part. You can talk about it all you want and I get it.

Now you claim I said it’s only one. Dude that was literally you saying that not me. This is some serious gas lighting. The anti Geno side can be super annoying too and we’re at times. I’ve already said this. And yeah I’m not the only one to notice this as someone just called YOU out as well. A bunch of people have to be honest.

No one witch hunted you, you made a post calling a bunch of people out and when people respond you play the victim like you’re doing now. It’s weird.

No one drug you into this discussion, you entered on your own, called people out and now are upset people responded. Seems reasonable.