Geno Smith

[OrangeGravy]

I like Schlereth, but when exactly has Geno been exceptional? For a half a season in 2022 in his entire 12 year career. What Schlereth doesn't get into is the constant brain farts Geno has that he seems to never be able to shake.

What Schlereth and a bunch of Geno supporters here are saying is that Geno can be good,,,,,if everything else is perfect. Good Oline, good running game, receivers running perfect routes, and an awesome OC. Yeah that might get it done for him. It should because that would get it done for any NFL caliber QB. The problem is that perfection only lives in a fantasy land.

Also the excuses for his cumilation of interceptions needs to stop. The fact is he's thrown a crap load of them for whatever reason and he should have a lot more.

"What Schlereth and a bunch of Geno supporters here are saying is that Geno can be good,,,,,if everything is perfect"

This ^^^^ right here is why these arguments end up as they do. This completely hyperbolic fabrication just throws gas on the fire. Not one person, anywhere, has ever said things need to be perfect. Everyone has been arguing that IF these things were at least competently league average, the offense and Geno wouldn't have these problems.

This type of bad faith argument is completely useless

 

[Ozzy]

Nah, eyeball tests by dot net experts beg to differ. Geno is Absolutely the worst, bar none.

It’s not the percentage of turnover worthy throws. Geno is wildly accurate. It’s the timing and place of this mistakes that is baffling at times. Again he leads the league in interceptions in the red zone. He also leads the league in ints in his own red zone and has had multiple others dropped in these zones. He’s been good between the 20’s. In high leverage areas he’s been bad. The Chicago game was a prime example of this. He should’ve had another red zone pick when he throws a bizarre pass right to two Chicago players and they dropped it.

He’s not the worst he’s just probably not 50 million which you guys think he is.

 

[OrangeGravy]

It’s not the percentage of turnover worthy throws. Geno is wildly accurate. It’s the timing and place of this mistakes that is baffling at times. Again he leads the league in interceptions in the red zone. He also leads the league in ints in his own red zone and has had multiple others dropped in these zones. He’s been good between the 20’s. In high leverage areas he’s been bad. The Chicago game was a prime example of this. He should’ve had another red zone pick when he throws a bizarre pass right to two Chicago players and they dropped it.

He’s not the worst he’s just probably not 50 million which you guys think he is.

Nobody thinks he's worth $50 mill. Literally nobody outside of his agent maybe

 

[warden]

Six players will take up 67% of our cap next year. Geno, Lockett, DK, Big Cat, Nuwoso and Dre Mount Jones. Jones and Lockett are toast, Williams keeps getting paid, Nwoso who knows. Team not the fans are probably looking for an extension on the other two, which provides up front cap relief. I am not so sure about extending Geno and Metcalf. DK is not dominant enough for the money he will command and Geno is not long term. If we go with Geno, it has to be on his old contract but that is a 38 million hit. Get rid of DK, all of a sudden you need two WRs. Get rid of Geno, you need a QB in a slim market. There is a lack of good options.

But 67% of our salary can’t go to these six guys, other then big cat they just are not good enough to be taking all that cap space

Of these six players, not one of them made the pro bowl this season. Big Cat is an alternate though

 

[Ozzy]

Nobody thinks he's worth $50 mill. Literally nobody outside of his agent maybe

Then what would you resign him for? He’s rumored to ask for a raise and commitment from Seattle. I’ve also stated if you can get him for 25 and another year I’m good with him coming back and bridging for the next guy

 

[Ozzy]

For the “it’s all the lines fault” crowd.

Seahawks have a bottom 3 line based on pressure rates. We all agree this is bad and a QB can’t succeed under this type of situation but…..

You know who’s 4th and 5th? Minnesota and Detroit. Makes you think a little if you’re being objective.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Then what would you resign him for? He’s rumored to ask for a raise and commitment from Seattle. I’ve also stated if you can get him for 25 and another year I’m good with him coming back and bridging for the next guy

You can't get any legit starting QB for $25 anymore.

 

[Ozzy]

You can't get any legit starting QB for $25 anymore.

Hence why I’m good with it. Let him finish out his contract next year if he wants to and if he wants a ton more let him test the market

 

[CsrolinaHawker]

Similar problem the Patriots faced in 2024 off season. Do you draft a QB or OT in round 1? They chose Maye and are probably going to draft an OT in round 1 in 2025.

The Hawks could go OG in round 1 which would be the biggest change in JS that we have ever seen. But the flipside is more likely you see QB in round 1 and OG in round 3. JS likes to draft OGs in round 3 or later.

There are no QBs in round 1

 

[SeaWolv]

You think dropped passes are costing us 4-7 pts per week? Is that what you’re saying?

I'm saying they're losing 4-7 points on 3-5 of those 21 drops in a season, not per week. That equates to maybe one more win or possibly two.

 

[Ozzy]

I'm saying they're losing 4-7 points on 3-5 of those 21 drops in a season, not per week.

Gotcha, apologies I misunderstood you.

 

[SeaWolv]

Hawks are not the 20th best team in the league. They're def. better than that. We have seen geNO at his peak, he's not going to magically improve moving forward.
If anything, he's regressing, especially his decision making.
Just because SEVERAL passes were dropped by defenders, it doesn't mean they didn't happen.

I didn't say they were the #20 team in the league I said they were the #20 in dropped passes. Click the link.

 

[SeaWolv]

For the “it’s all the lines fault” crowd.

Seahawks have a bottom 3 line based on pressure rates. We all agree this is bad and a QB can’t succeed under this type of situation but…..

You know who’s 4th and 5th? Minnesota and Detroit. Makes you think a little if you’re being objective.

Ok but when you look at the overall rankings the Lions and Vikings are not at the bottom, they're both top 10, because one of the other things those lines can do that Seattle's can't is run blocking. If the Seahawks could run block think what that could do for the passing game and the overall offensive effectiveness.

 

[Ozzy]

Ok but when you look at the overall rankings the Lions and Vikings are not at the bottom, they're both top 10, because one of the other things those lines can do that Seattle's can't is run blocking. If the Seahawks could run block think what that could do for the passing game and the overall offensive effectiveness.

I agree I’m just saying on pure passing downs they’re not much better than Seattle. I’ve watched Darnold multiple times this year and he flat out moves better and navigates the pocket much better. Now maybe that’s because Geno is hurt? I don’t know but my point remains. Some of it is on Geno. I’d argue he shares more blame on passing downs than the pro Geno crowd wants to admit.

If we could run the offense as a whole would be much better, I just don’t think Geno’s problems are solely the line or the running game. Even if both of those were fixed I genuinely believe we would see a lot of the same mental errors from Geno.

 

[SeaWolv]

I agree I’m just saying on pure passing downs they’re not much better than Seattle. I’ve watched Darnold multiple times this year and he flat out moves better and navigates the pocket much better. Now maybe that’s because Geno is hurt? I don’t know but my point remains. Some of it is on Geno. I’d argue he shares more blame on passing downs than the pro Geno crowd wants to admit.

If we could run the offense as a whole would be much better, I just don’t think Geno’s problems are solely the line or the running game. Even if both of those were fixed I genuinely believe we would see a lot of the same mental errors from Geno.

That may be true but it could also be that having a run game takes pressure off the passing game and reduces poor decision making. Either way it’s likely a gain.

 

[pittpnthrs]

"What Schlereth and a bunch of Geno supporters here are saying is that Geno can be good,,,,,if everything is perfect"

This ^^^^ right here is why these arguments end up as they do. This completely hyperbolic fabrication just throws gas on the fire. Not one person, anywhere, has ever said things need to be perfect. Everyone has been arguing that IF these things were at least competently league average, the offense and Geno wouldn't have these problems.

This type of bad faith argument is completely useless

Have you read some of the posts from the diehard supporters? How much better do you think Geno would be if those areas were improved? Geno is still Geno. In order for him to improve greatly one needs to reprogram his brain along with those other areas. I don't believe that can be done with so little time. In other words, regardless of the improvements, old habits are hard to break. Some players are just who they are.