Geno Smith

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep. Physical talent, strong arm, stats etc. None of that means squat if you don't get it done in the end.

 

[hawkfan68]

DK has been in the league 6 years. If he's taking plays off and running horrible routes that cause picks at this point in his career, I'm not sure any QB or coach can change that.

And Geno Smith has been in the league 12 years now. How about the consistent costly mistakes in the red zone that a 12 year vet shouldn't be making?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Sadly, I think he's back next year. Sigh.

 

[cymatica]

And Geno Smith has been in the league 12 years now. How about the consistent costly mistakes in the red zone that a 12 year vet shouldn't be making?

Sure, but I give much more leeway to QBs who have to make split second reads with 300lb freaks trying to take their head off. There's no excuse for a veteran WR half assing routes like DK does, especially a timing route.

 

[keasley45]

Sure, but I give much more leeway to QBs who have to make split second reads with 300lb freaks trying to take their head off. There's no excuse for a veteran WR half assing routes like DK does, especially a timing route.

“He's proven in the right system, with the right people around him, that he can be exceptional,” Schlereth said. “And I would lean more toward that than going out there and (acquiring) some guy that you think is going to all of a sudden have that Sam Darnold-type ascension."




A quote from Schlereth on Geno from the last Wyman and Bob.

He flat says its easy to look at the failure of this offense and point to Geno as being a problem, but that its not that simple. And he is 100% right.

Mac has said it in different ways by saying many of Geno's errors are team errors. And when asked a out the last INT against Minny, in not trying to call out the REAL issue, kinda did when he said:
(paraphrasing) - i'm not going to get into it ... whether its the route that was run or the play design...'

Geno HAS made mistakes but he has made them in a system that even the HC has called into question.

Fix the system and see how the pieces perform before you let walk a QB who has shown that when he is handed a competent plan and functional, complimentary pieces around him, he (as Schlereth said) is exceptional.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Has he proven it though? He's a turnover machine.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Someone compared him to a slightly better Ryan Fitzpatrick and I can't get it out my head. He flashes, sometimes for several games then can also be bang average

 

[keasley45]

Not that folks who dont like him will care, but Daniel Jeremiah who has had some pretty solid insight on the Hawks this year dove into Geno's INTs. His conclusion? Simply pushing too much as a result of being perpetually behind the 8ball.

He also reviewed all of Geno's Ints to determine exactly how problematic his issue is this year. Result? 7 of the 15 were either tipped, hit the receiver or were wr errors.

But there's more. For those who are in the Grubb camp, he thinks the team would benefit from another year of his system to see if he can build on the flashes he has shown.

All around a good listen from an unbiased analyst who tends to give thoughtful insight.

 

[pittpnthrs]

“He's proven in the right system, with the right people around him, that he can be exceptional,” Schlereth said. “And I would lean more toward that than going out there and (acquiring) some guy that you think is going to all of a sudden have that Sam Darnold-type ascension."




A quote from Schlereth on Geno from the last Wyman and Bob.

He flat says its easy to look at the failure of this offense and point to Geno as being a problem, but that its not that simple. And he is 100% right.

Mac has said it in different ways by saying many of Geno's errors are team errors. And when asked a out the last INT against Minny, in not trying to call out the REAL issue, kinda did when he said:
(paraphrasing) - i'm not going to get into it ... whether its the route that was run or the play design...'

Geno HAS made mistakes but he has made them in a system that even the HC has called into question.

Fix the system and see how the pieces perform before you let walk a QB who has shown that when he is handed a competent plan and functional, complimentary pieces around him, he (as Schlereth said) is exceptional.

I like Schlereth, but when exactly has Geno been exceptional? For a half a season in 2022 in his entire 12 year career. What Schlereth doesn't get into is the constant brain farts Geno has that he seems to never be able to shake.

What Schlereth and a bunch of Geno supporters here are saying is that Geno can be good,,,,,if everything else is perfect. Good Oline, good running game, receivers running perfect routes, and an awesome OC. Yeah that might get it done for him. It should because that would get it done for any NFL caliber QB. The problem is that perfection only lives in a fantasy land.

Also the excuses for his cumilation of interceptions needs to stop. The fact is he's thrown a crap load of them for whatever reason and he should have a lot more.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

I like Schlereth, but when exactly has Geno been exceptional? For a half a season in 2022 in his entire 12 year career. What Schlereth doesn't get into is the constant brain farts Geno has that he seems to never be able to shake.

What Schlereth and a bunch of Geno supporters here are saying is that Geno can be good,,,,,if everything else is perfect. Good Oline, good running game, receivers running perfect routes, and an awesome OC. Yeah that might get it done for him. It should because that would get it done for any NFL caliber QB. The problem is that perfection only lives in a fantasy land.

Also the excuses for his cumilation of interceptions needs to stop. The fact is he's thrown a crap load of them for whatever reason and he should have a lot more.

And this is an area that neither analyst mentions. If you want to break down the cause of the INTs that's fine, but the fact remains that, without the drops from opposing players on very catchable balls from Geno, his INTs could have been much worse.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Hope they move on from geNEXT. But.......I just don't see it happening.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And this is an area that neither analyst mentions. If you want to break down the cause of the INTs that's fine, but the fact remains that, without the drops from opposing players on very catchable balls from Geno, his INTs could have been much worse.

He could EASILY have 25 picks this year.

 

[Rat]

Lol didn't even make Pro Bowl alternate.

I'm sure he'll still get in when the first seven opt out and then people on here will go on about how he's a Pro Bowl QB.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's a "pro-bowl" QB.

Is he?

 

[Ozzy]

“He's proven in the right system, with the right people around him, that he can be exceptional,” Schlereth said. “And I would lean more toward that than going out there and (acquiring) some guy that you think is going to all of a sudden have that Sam Darnold-type ascension."




A quote from Schlereth on Geno from the last Wyman and Bob.

He flat says its easy to look at the failure of this offense and point to Geno as being a problem, but that its not that simple. And he is 100% right.

Mac has said it in different ways by saying many of Geno's errors are team errors. And when asked a out the last INT against Minny, in not trying to call out the REAL issue, kinda did when he said:
(paraphrasing) - i'm not going to get into it ... whether its the route that was run or the play design...'

Geno HAS made mistakes but he has made them in a system that even the HC has called into question.

Fix the system and see how the pieces perform before you let walk a QB who has shown that when he is handed a competent plan and functional, complimentary pieces around him, he (as Schlereth said) is exceptional.

That's not entirely true. Mac also said Geno needs to cut down on the turnovers and the mistakes in the red zone, multiple times. He said he's talked to Geno and that Geno knows he needs to do better in that regard. Sure the line needs to be better, Grubb needs to be better too, we all acknowledge that.

Geno is 27th in EPA, 22 in QBR, first in red zone picks(many not because of pressure), first in "his own endzone" picks and will finish 1-2 in overall interceptions. I would be fine with the ints if he threw more touchdowns and oh yeah hes going to finish in the bottom 3 in touchdowns.

Saying ALL of this is because of everyone but Geno just seems odd to me. He was ranked 20th by NFL execs last year after a much better year, wonder what he will be ranked this year? If its all because of everyone but Geno then the people who do this for a living will have him ranked near top 10. If they don't then its entirely possible you might be a little biased or wrong here....would you agree with that? Or would NFL execs all be wrong too?

The idea of Geno coming back should always come down to money. Keasely and others who think Geno is near elite if he wants 50 million are you willing to pay that? That's the price for a top 10 guy. I'm willing to bring him back for continuity for 25 million. If it's more then that then I think they're better served going a different direction.

 

[Ozzy]

He's a "pro-bowl" QB.

Is he?

He's nowhere near the pro bowl this year.

 

[SeaWolv]

Yep. Physical talent, strong arm, stats etc. None of that means squat if you don't get it done in the end.

There are 22 starters on this team plus coaches, you can't put the success/failure of the team entirely on his shoulders.

Has he proven it though? He's a turnover machine.

He's had a bad year with picks for sure at 17/15. Last year he was 20/9 and the year before that he was 30/11. He hasn't been a pick machine prior to this season. Even the best QBs can have years where they throw more picks, Josh Allen was 29/18 last year.

 

[Ozzy]

There are 22 starters on this team plus coaches, you can't put the success/failure of the team entirely on his shoulders.


He's had a bad year with picks for sure at 17/15. Last year he was 20/9 and the year before that he was 30/11. He hasn't been a pick machine prior to this season. Even the best QBs can have years where they throw more picks, Josh Allen was 29/18 last year.

But he lead the league in turnover worthy throws either last year or the year before. I think the law of averages just snuck up on him. He had a lot of luck the year he lead the league and probably a bit of bad luck this year with a high percentage of them being picked off. He has to make more big plays though and 20 touchdowns last year and 17 this year just isn't very good.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

There are 22 starters on this team plus coaches, you can't put the success/failure of the team entirely on his shoulders.


He's had a bad year with picks for sure at 17/15. Last year he was 20/9 and the year before that he was 30/11. He hasn't been a pick machine prior to this season. Even the best QBs can have years where they throw more picks, Josh Allen was 29/18 last year.

I never said he was the only reason they lost. Not once.

 

[cymatica]

What Schlereth and a bunch of Geno supporters here are saying is that Geno can be good,,,,,if everything else is perfect. Good Oline, good running game, receivers running perfect routes, and an awesome OC.

No that's not what people are saying. No one said it's gotta be perfect or even top 5. The Oline has been either neglected for years or poorly coached. The run game was completely abandoned several times this season even when it was working. Calling 70% passes to runs makes it harder on the already struggling Oline and any QB. WRs don't need to run perfect routes, but running the completely wrong route or running it so lazy to let a DB undercut them is not acceptable.

No one is asking for perfection, just some more focus on the trenches and an offense that has balance.