Geno finally put it together

[HOF Hater]

Geno had a good final drive but let's not ignore his blunders the entire game

 

[Maelstrom787]

Geno had a good final drive but let's not ignore his blunders the entire game

Not many of them outside of the interception. He only had 6 incompletions outside of the pick, numerous big throws, took the ground yards when it mattered, and notched an absurd 16 completion % above expected with a deep average depth of target that, for reference, was almost double what Purdy was doing.

Sure, there was the snap issue, but the snap was double the velocity it should've been and was also well high and over his left shoulder. I struggle mightily to put that more on him than Olu starting his first game of the year, who otherwise had a fantastic game.



It's all over the tape. He was mostly lights out with a few errors.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Geno played better when Bosa went out for sure, but I don't think that constitutes 'growth'. It wouldn't hurt to roll him out or do things to slow down the opposing pass rush. He's such a statue back there, the pass rushers know where they have to go before the ball is snapped.

Also, a lot of game winning drives means you're in a lot a one-score games. It's easy to be clutch when you have 4 downs to play with instead of 3. I'm looking forward to watching other teams play with desperation in the last 2 minutes instead of us.

It's the NFL. Most games come down to a 2 minute drive.

 

[OrangeGravy]

It's very clear that people mostly watch highlights of the rest of the league or watch games, but don't actually pay attention to what's happening. There are zero QBs who don't make at least 2 or 3 mistakes a game that either result in turnovers, almost turnovers, or kill drives. Most QBs make many more mistakes per game.

This mythical QB play doesn't exist. The really great QBs just make way more good and great plays vs mistakes. There aren't many that play the position as well as Geno does. We aren't getting any of the few in the league that exist and if any college QBs reached the current level of play that Geno produces, they would be wildly successful at the position. The only real question with him is his age and when that age will start to show as well as whether or not we tear it down

 

[Rat]

It's very clear that people mostly watch highlights of the rest of the league or watch games, but don't actually pay attention to what's happening. There are zero QBs who don't make at least 2 or 3 mistakes a game that either result in turnovers, almost turnovers, or kill drives. Most QBs make many more mistakes per game.

I doubt anyone actually thinks that there are QBs who make zero mistakes, week in and week out. It really discredits honest discussion when you purposely distort the arguments people are actually making. I would know, because I do it frequently.

The only real question with him is his age and when that age will start to show as well as whether or not we tear it down

I wouldn't say that's the only question, but yeah that's probably what it comes down to in regards to how long we should commit to him. I see fans questioning whether to give him an extension sometimes dismissed as "haters", but there are good reasons to be hesitant given his age. It's a unique situation with little precedent that's difficult to get a good grasp on.

 

[bileever]

Just to put these debates into perspective, on the Chiefs fan forum, there are people who say that Patrick Mahomes sucks.

Chiefs Whining about the team with the best record in the NFL? - ChiefsPlanet

Chiefs Whining about the team with the best record in the NFL? Nzoner's Game Room

www.chiefsplanet.com

And on the 49ers forum, there is a lot of handwringing over Brock Purdy as well. Half of them think he sucks. Many fans there think that Purdy should be paid LESS than Geno.

QB Brock Purdy Thread | Page 3686

QB Brock Purdy Thread

www.49erswebzone.com

I guess no one is happy with what they have.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Imagine living in a world where you actually think one of the best of all time......sucks.

Hilarious. Thx for sharing.

 

[Rat]

Just to put these debates into perspective, on the Chiefs fan forum, there are people who say that Patrick Mahomes sucks.

Chiefs Whining about the team with the best record in the NFL? - ChiefsPlanet

Chiefs Whining about the team with the best record in the NFL? Nzoner's Game Room

www.chiefsplanet.com

I just read through that entire thread. Where did anyone say that?

 

[Sperrydogg]

His Harry Potter Lego set?

 

[Sperrydogg]

He won more games in the 4th quarter coming back last year than any qb in league history, behind one of the worst o lines, with one of the worst rushing attacks and alongside one of the leagues worst defenses.

Geno grew up a long time ago.

The rest of the team is what is 'growing up'

For a .510 record….

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Welcome to QB in the NFL. Quite a wide landscape of opinions on the starters. Shoot, the most popular players in the league are often the backup QB's. What a great gig.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Welcome to QB in the NFL. Quite a wide landscape of opinions on the starters. Shoot, the most popular players in the league are often the backup QB's. What a great gig.

Seneca Wallace!!!!!

 

[jammerhawk]

Geno finally got it all together!

I agree!

Let’s hope he remembers where it is for the next few games.

I thought he played a great game and was clutch when it counted instead of his usual wigged out self when facing a strong pass rush. I wholeheartedly agree with those here who believe he needs help with a running game and we need to see more play action from under center along with seeing him run more often so he is less predictable.

He is a mostly reliable QB with some elite abilities but at his age and experience level what we see is what we will get. he plays so well at times that you want to see more , then he does something just freaking awful w/o much encouragement. His inconsistency blocks his elite abilities from showing through more often.

Am very happy about his last game and hope it marks a turning of the page but am cautioned by his history.

 

[projectorfreak]

Opinions are like ....... everyone has one.

Just don't quite get the hand wringing over whether Geno is the right QB.... He is not a Top 5, future HOF'er. But let's just look at the data.....

Hawks - 2nd best Passing team in the league - 261 ypg
10th in total offense
Geno - 4th in total passing yards - 2781
Geno - 7th in completion pct - 69%
Geno - tied for 5th with 18 dropped passes by receivers

BUT......
28th in Rushing offense - 91 ypg
4th most sacks allowed - 32
Defense - 22nd in yards allowed - 350ypg - bottom 1/3rd in the league
3rd most penalized team in the league - 2nd most offensive holding calls &
tied for 3rd with most false starts

What the DATA says is this..... Geno is NOT the problem. The below avg offensive line is the problem. Drive killers - sacks, holding calls and false starts. Seattle is one of the worst teams in the league when it comes to those three things. K9 is a hell of a back. But this O-line is garbage. So it all falls on Geno's shoulders. The defense is bottom 1/3rd in the league. So basically anyone that has the OPINION that Geno is the issue.... i just chuckle at.

This is why it kinda proves it was a team win and on D and O I think we are a better team with just the few changes that have happened since the bye , so with an off season our oline could change dramatically which would make geno and Co. that much better and bring back our running game which is kinda crazy when you think about it , we are still around and haven't had much of a running game to take any pressure off the qb , that says a lot to me as it should be his best friend

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Seneca Wallace!!!!!

Omg, I have a pretty good Seneca Wallace story..........

 

[Sperrydogg]

Omg, I have a pretty good Seneca Wallace story..........

Well…. Gonna leave us in suspense?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Was at a game out in Indianapolis in 2009. They had Peyton Manning......we had Seneca Wallace. Ouch.
Anyway, the fans are crazy cool and mellow. Senaca runs out of bounds way behind the line of scrimmage, yet again, instead of throwing the ball out of bounds. I yell "throw the f'ing ball". Lady behind me says: Sir, can you please not cuss?
I said "Fine, but you guys have Peyton Manning, we have Seneca Fricken Wallace"
Her husband looks over and says "He makes a good point"
My wife and I were rollin'. That was the same game we heard a lady behind us say "where is the yellow line?"

Classic

 

[bileever]

I just read through that entire thread. Where did anyone say that?

Yes, that thread is just the thread complaining about the complainers. But in the Patrick Mahomes thread and in this one:

Chiefs Patrick Mahomes isn't "broken" you ****ing dorks - Page 26 - ChiefsPlanet

Page 26-Chiefs Patrick Mahomes isn't "broken" you ****ing dorks Nzoner's Game Room

www.chiefsplanet.com

You can see that there are Chiefs fans who don't have the proper appreciation of Mahomes.

A sample of the discussion:

 

[Ozzy]

Mahomes is having a bad year by his standards because he has no weapons and the running game is struggling. This is a case of the stats or analytics not telling the whole story. His 4th quarter play though has been outstanding so he makes the plays when he needs to.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The end result is what he does better than most in the history of the game. He's just ridiculous. Even if he's "off" by his standards.
When he has the ball at the end of the game, you expect him to win every single time. Not half the time, every time.