Geno ain't goin' anywhere -

[DarkVictory23]

Per recent reporting from Corbin Smith, Ian Rapoport, and Tom Pelissero, they are working on a contract extension and Macdonald isn't just doing 'coach speak' (something, to this point, he has been inherently terrible at anyway) and Corbin Smith flat out says he would be surprised if he isn't extended before the start of the league year.

Apparently, players and coaches in the building mostly believe in Geno, which is all the proof you need that trying to discern locker room dynamics from a handful of sideline shots of a player being upset is an inexact science at best.


The hand wringing over Geno seems to me to be a little over the top, anyway, and a function of how not only NFL teams overrate QBs, but so do NFL fans.

We've been getting solid B grade level play for below market rate for 3 seasons now. That's what you WANT a team to be doing. This is the opposite of holding your team back. Geno is holding our team back no more than say Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, or Trevor Lawrence are holding their teams back (and frankly has been a better value for dollar than both Herbert and Lawrence).

Having your starting QB give you above average performance for below market rate puts our team firmly in the position to continue building out the rest of the team however they want.

Is Geno Smith the "future" of this team? No, he's 34. You can't count on guys that age more than a season or two at a time. But you know what else you can't do? You can't build a team for more than a few seasons at a time anyway.

Should the Seahawks draft a QB if they see one they like? Absolutely.
Does having Geno Smith on the roster prevent that move in some way? Absolutely not.

 

[KamBam31]

Per recent reporting from Corbin Smith, Ian Rapoport, and Tom Pelissero, they are working on a contract extension and Macdonald isn't just doing 'coach speak' (something, to this point, he has been inherently terrible at anyway) and Corbin Smith flat out says he would be surprised if he isn't extended before the start of the league year.

Apparently, players and coaches in the building mostly believe in Geno, which is all the proof you need that trying to discern locker room dynamics from a handful of sideline shots of a player being upset is an inexact science at best.


The hand wringing over Geno seems to me to be a little over the top, anyway, and a function of how not only NFL teams overrate QBs, but so do NFL fans.

We've been getting solid B grade level play for below market rate for 3 seasons now. That's what you WANT a team to be doing. This is the opposite of holding your team back. Geno is holding our team back no more than say Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, or Trevor Lawrence are holding their teams back (and frankly has been a better value for dollar than both Herbert and Lawrence).

Having your starting QB give you above average performance for below market rate puts our team firmly in the position to continue building out the rest of the team however they want.

Is Geno Smith the "future" of this team? No, he's 34. You can't count on guys that age more than a season or two at a time. But you know what else you can't do? You can't build a team for more than a few seasons at a time anyway.

Should the Seahawks draft a QB if they see one they like? Absolutely.
Does having Geno Smith on the roster prevent that move in some way? Absolutely not.

Signing Geno to an extension will be the downfall of Schneider and Macdonald.
Geno is a good but not great quarterback, and not worth 40-50 million a year.
I don’t care what the market is for quarterbacks, 50-60 million is way to much money to spend on one player.
All you need is a game manager, not a star quarterback. Spend the money on multiple players, not just one average quarterback.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Per recent reporting from Corbin Smith, Ian Rapoport, and Tom Pelissero, they are working on a contract extension and Macdonald isn't just doing 'coach speak' (something, to this point, he has been inherently terrible at anyway) and Corbin Smith flat out says he would be surprised if he isn't extended before the start of the league year.

Apparently, players and coaches in the building mostly believe in Geno, which is all the proof you need that trying to discern locker room dynamics from a handful of sideline shots of a player being upset is an inexact science at best.


The hand wringing over Geno seems to me to be a little over the top, anyway, and a function of how not only NFL teams overrate QBs, but so do NFL fans.

We've been getting solid B grade level play for below market rate for 3 seasons now. That's what you WANT a team to be doing. This is the opposite of holding your team back. Geno is holding our team back no more than say Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, or Trevor Lawrence are holding their teams back (and frankly has been a better value for dollar than both Herbert and Lawrence).

Having your starting QB give you above average performance for below market rate puts our team firmly in the position to continue building out the rest of the team however they want.

Is Geno Smith the "future" of this team? No, he's 34. You can't count on guys that age more than a season or two at a time. But you know what else you can't do? You can't build a team for more than a few seasons at a time anyway.

Should the Seahawks draft a QB if they see one they like? Absolutely.
Does having Geno Smith on the roster prevent that move in some way? Absolutely not.

I always like when you post. You say exactly what I want to say. You just do it a little more eloquently. But we are typically in complete alignment and don't use emotion to what needs to happen to get the team where we want them to be. It's more based off common sense.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Signing Geno to an extension will be the downfall of Schneider and Macdonald.
Geno is a good but not great quarterback, and not worth 40-50 million a year.
I don’t care what the market is for quarterbacks, 50-60 million is way to much money to spend on one player.
All you need is a game manager, not a star quarterback. Spend the money on multiple players, not just one average quarterback.

Extending Geno will not cost the Seahawks 40-50 million. You're looking at just south of $30 million, it will increase over time but you give yourself outs so it never reaches anywhere near 40 million

 

[DarkVictory23]

Signing Geno to an extension will be the downfall of Schneider and Macdonald.
Geno is a good but not great quarterback, and not worth 40-50 million a year.
I don’t care what the market is for quarterbacks, 50-60 million is way to much money to spend on one player.
All you need is a game manager, not a star quarterback. Spend the money on multiple players, not just one average quarterback.

Well, one, Geno is above average. He's solidly a B grade level QB (during his time as a Seahawk, anyway).

But the point of an extension is to not pay Geno $40-50M (or at least not have that cap hit).

What you are talking about is what the Seahawks HAVE been doing. They've been trying to get max value out of their above average QB. The only reason Geno's cap hit next year is even going to be bad is because he hit too many of his contract escalators this year.

If I were to bet, I'd say Geno's going to get a Derek Carr/Baker Mayfield-ish contract in terms of base numbers, extending him out through 2027, with incentives added in similar to his last contract, designed in such a way as to lower his cap hit for next year (by at least $10M--which would once again make him one of the better value for dollar QBs in the league) but also make it easy for the Seahawks to move on in both 2026 and even more so in 2027.

We've been using more void years in contracts lately as well, so I wouldn't be shocked if Geno's cap hit next year is lowered even more aggressively than that $10M, so rather than a $30Mish hit, we're looking at like $20M.

That, plus fixing the amount of cap we've got locked up in our WR room (DK/Tyler) would free the team up to actually do something with the O-Line.

I always like when you post. You say exactly what I want to say. You just do it a little more eloquently. But we are typically in complete alignment and don't use emotion to what needs to happen to get the team where we want them to be. It's more based off common sense.

Thank you, sir.

 

[Seahawker]

I could be wrong but I don't think Geno has much leverage for a contract extension that he & his agent will want.
Beyond the Seahawks, I don't think there is a 2nd or 3rd team out there that would make an offer to lure him away from the PNW. The ball is really in John's court and Geno should be careful, trying to gain 10M could cost him 20M or more.

I think most people feel GS is the best QB we could field in 25' and that may be accurate. But I would be fine with drafting a QB, maybe trading for a teams backup like Jake Browning and having Howell & whoever else all compete for the starting job.
The time to build for the future is now IMO.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I could be wrong but I don't think Geno has much leverage for a contract extension that he & his agent will want.
Beyond the Seahawks, I don't think there is a 2nd or 3rd team out there that would make an offer to lure him away from the PNW. The ball is really in John's court and Geno should be careful, trying to gain 10M could cost him 20M or more.

I think most people feel GS is the best QB we could field in 25' and that may be accurate. But I would be fine with drafting a QB, maybe trading for a teams backup like Jake Browning and having Howell & whoever else all compete for the starting job.
The time to build for the future is now IMO.

The fact that he is our best option is leverage, because we want to win, and Geno (and his agent) will know that.

But you're right. Being in his mid-30s puts a cap on what his options are outside of Seattle.

Geno's appeal is only to teams who are playoff or near playoff level now and need an upgrade at QB for the next couple of seasons. There just aren't many of those. Pittsburgh is the only obvious one. Cleveland and Indianapolis, maybe. Las Vegas doesn't really fit the description (they need to fix more than their QB situation), but Pete is there... so who knows?

 

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[Ozzy]

Signing Geno to an extension will be the downfall of Schneider and Macdonald.
Geno is a good but not great quarterback, and not worth 40-50 million a year.
I don’t care what the market is for quarterbacks, 50-60 million is way to much money to spend on one player.
All you need is a game manager, not a star quarterback. Spend the money on multiple players, not just one average quarterback.

Yep there is a reason teams don’t extend guys in their mid 30’s unless they’re elite guys and historically almost all of these extensions are look at poorly after the fact. If they’re elite guys don’t set it up so that they have a 100% out after each year then it will cost John his job potentially:

He’s regressed over the past 3 years. What are the chances he’s more likely for major positive regression than just continuing to regress? The answer should be easy.

I’ve said it a million times they may have to sign him for a year because of a failure to set up a progression but we will see

 

[toffee]

Signing Geno to an extension will be the downfall of Schneider and Macdonald.
Geno is a good but not great quarterback, and not worth 40-50 million a year.
I don’t care what the market is for quarterbacks, 50-60 million is way to much money to spend on one player.
All you need is a game manager, not a star quarterback. Spend the money on multiple players, not just one average quarterback.

Yep there is a reason teams don’t extend guys in their mid 30’s unless they’re elite guys and historically almost all of these extensions are look at poorly after the fact. If they’re elite guys don’t set it up so that they have a 100% out after each year then it will cost John his job potentially:

He’s regressed over the past 3 years. What are the chances he’s more likely for major positive regression than just continuing to regress? The answer should be easy.

I’ve said it a million times they may have to sign him for a year because of a failure to set up a progression but we will see

Th voices of .NET

 

[Double Tribble]

I've never said we need to tank. Everyone keeps putting words in my mouth. Ive said over and over that someone else should start, because there's a chance they could be better than Geno, which is a win for the team. And if they aren't better, that's also a win, because it sets us up better in the short term. It's a win win. With Geno, there's no win win there. There are just excuses, and more time wasted, and more fans losing interest because this mediocrity is about as fun as watching paint dry. I fail to see how another year of this helps anyone.

 

[toffee]

I've never said we need to tank. Everyone keeps putting words in my mouth. Ive said over and over that someone else should start, because there's a chance they could be better than Geno, which is a win for the team. And if they aren't better, that's also a win, because it sets us up better in the short term. It's a win win. With Geno, there's no win win there. There are just excuses, and more time wasted, and more fans losing interest. I fail to see how that helps anyone.

For geNOs, there is a long list of QBs that just need better coaching and more touches to be better than geNO. That list starts with our own Howell, and soon to FA Lock and Russ, but we mustn't forget guys like Zach Wilson and Trey Lance could be the next Darnold. For geNOs, it's anyone but Geno.

 

[Double Tribble]

For geNOs, there is a long list of QBs that just need better coaching and more touches to be better than geNO. That list starts with our own Howell, and soon to FA Lock and Russ, but we mustn't forget guys like Zach Wilson and Trey Lance could be the next Darnold. For geNOs, it's anyone but Geno.

Not any different than pretending that Geno will become the next Brady if only he gets a perfect team around him. I'm simply trying to make the argument that moving on would be addition by subtraction.

 

[toffee]

Not any different than pretending that Geno will become the next Brady if only he gets a perfect team around him. I'm simply trying to make the argument that moving on would be addition by subtraction.

Quite sure that both Schneider and Macdonald peruse .NET, your valuable input will be evaluated by our front office and coaching staff.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Short and sweet - Geno is not the answer and if JS and MM waste money on extensions, then JS needs to finally go and MM was a bad hire.

 

[toffee]

Does young Macdonald know what he is talking about or he was just running his mouth?

 

[Natethegreat]

There is zero value to doing anything other than supporting your starting QB. Whether you want to extend him or trade him. There is only reason to talk him up.
Having Said that I always figured that an extension was most likely. However a trade is still possible but far less likely.
JS was willing to trade him last year. I doubt this season changed his mind.

 

[DeSeahawk]

Dear Coach, please keep improving the defense. If they can keep opposing teams under 20 ppg, the two or three Genoisms per game may not matter as much. Thank you

 

[Seahawker]

Dear Coach, please keep improving the defense. If they can keep opposing teams under 20 ppg, the two or three Genoisms per game may not matter as much. Thank you

But fix the O-line too.

 

[DeSeahawk]

Yup, I'm a doofus. What's epa standvfor ?