Forget Bevell...where's the fire Tom Cable thread?

[pehawk]

I follow some pretty legit people who grade offensive lineman for a living. They sell their grades and scores to NFL scouts. Based on their grades, the Hawks OL is actually doing well, very well. I personally tend to agree.

One caveat, they throw out any penalized play.

 

[pehawk]

Let's back up.

Okung is clearly his own problem, not Cable's. He's playing injured, playing jittery, and committing false starts and holding all over the place. That's not on Cable.

Unger is also oft-injured. It is fruitless to blame an OL coach for that sort of thing.

Britt is a rookie.

Moffitt was a miss, but it sounds like he wasn't motivated to play professional football, either.

James Carpenter and JR Sweezy have been huge success stories this year. Nobody's brought them up once this season, except in a positive way, because they're doing exactly what they're supposed to do. Even Sweezy's occasional whiff is down to a low enough frequency that nobody cares.

Zach Miller and Luke Willson are doing brilliantly in the blocking game. True, they're their own position with their own coach, but the blocking scheme is Cable's.

Put all that together and I have a hard time faulting one guy. There are problems all over the place and there is no one magic bullet. I was hoping this board would have moved past the habit of looking for a single panacea and blaming one guy over results - but I guess that's optimistic.

+1

 

[Popeyejones]

TBF Cable hasn't been given very much to work with.

It seems like the Hawks' strategy (both from a salary and talent perspective) is to piece together their O-Line so that they can invest in their secondary, D-Line, and RBs. It's the same story with the 9ers, who invest in their O-Line, D-Line, HBs, and LBs at expense of their secondary.

Agreed with posters above who noted that, at least in this game, Wilson was leaving his line out to dry more than the reverse (if you're still hanging out above the pocket after three seconds, you're simply doing it wrong).

 

[Happypuppy]

Cable has always had the same rep. He comes in and is a master of the running game. Look what he had done here. Look what he did in Oakland. The same thing cropped up as well both here and Oakland. Neither could pass block.

Look at the numbers in Oakland with McFadden. Great run can't pass block

Bruce McPherson the old 49 line wizard I met at a luncheon in the 80s. I asked him to contrast his line and the massive Redskins Hogs and scheme.

He said he liked smaller nimble lines. They worked off of quick traps and quick seams.

He said teams like the old raiders and the Redskins used power. Big maulers that beat you up and wear you down. The drawback is they are slow. Quick tackles and ends can get around them

Similar to what's happening here.

Okung for the last two years has been below average. Mental mistakes are inexcusable for a vet.

Carp and Sweezy are average Britt I am unsure of , he seems to need help which is expected for a rookie. Unger is average

 

[LymonHawk]

Wow! A 'run first' team that is better at run blocking than pass blocking...what a shock!

 

[pehawk]

Wow! A 'run first' team that is better at run blocking than pass blocking...what a shock!

Duh! That's why we line up in pistol and empty sets, you know, real "run" type offensive stuff.

 

[LymonHawk]

Wow! A 'run first' team that is better at run blocking than pass blocking...what a shock!

Duh! That's why we line up in pistol and empty sets, you know, real "run" type offensive stuff.

Hi Pookie! Are you saying we are now a 'pass first' team?

 

[RolandDeschain]

Russell's starting to hear footsteps whether they're there or not.

The first signs that we're ruining him. Need to draft OL high. We don't need fantastic pass protection, but better than "bottom five in the league", for sure. (Speaking about pass pro, specifically.)

Being so prone to penalties doesn't help, either. 3rd & 5 going to 3rd & 10 or 3rd & 15 what seems like every other set of downs is friggin' unacceptable, and it just puts more pressure on DangeRuss.

 

[pehawk]

Wow! A 'run first' team that is better at run blocking than pass blocking...what a shock!

Duh! That's why we line up in pistol and empty sets, you know, real "run" type offensive stuff.

HI Pookie! Are you saying we are now a 'pass first' team?

Or, we're trying to trick the opposition into thinking we think we're a passing team, so they think we'll run because we're fooling them, so we decide to throw to counter their assumption?

I'm all for the MENSA stuff, I mean, awesome. But, ya know, maybe just maybe, use a FB and impose you're will Herr Bevell, aye? Or, hire Holmgren again and draft big dudes that like to backpedal?

 

[brimsalabim]

forget the OC and Oline coach, how bout someone stick in to RW for playing like crap.

no need to.. RW is handling that one himself.

WE start a rookie on one end and a gimp on the other. Now we have another inexperienced player right in the middle making the line calls. We should just give up on the idea of a pocket until Unger get's back and run the ball and roll Russ out when we need to pass.
I still think what these guys need more than anything is for us to line up Percy on one wing and Locket on the other and send them both on deep sprints. Even if we don't complete the pass it should still back the safety's up so that the runs and underneath stuff opens up.

 

[Happypuppy]

They need to do. What they did in '11 more. pound the rock. One of the worst teams against the run and you don't run ? please ...run and make them stack the box then pass

 

[SalishHawkFan]

Cable has always had the same rep. He comes in and is a master of the running game. Look what he had done here. Look what he did in Oakland. The same thing cropped up as well both here and Oakland. Neither could pass block.

Look at the numbers in Oakland with McFadden. Great run can't pass block

Bruce McPherson the old 49 line wizard I met at a luncheon in the 80s. I asked him to contrast his line and the massive Redskins Hogs and scheme.

He said he liked smaller nimble lines. They worked off of quick traps and quick seams.

He said teams like the old raiders and the Redskins used power. Big maulers that beat you up and wear you down. The drawback is they are slow. Quick tackles and ends can get around them

Similar to what's happening here.

Okung for the last two years has been below average. Mental mistakes are inexcusable for a vet.

Carp and Sweezy are average Britt I am unsure of , he seems to need help which is expected for a rookie. Unger is average

And look what happened to Theismann.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

Cowboys were a bottom ranked pass rushing team. There is no excuse for even a run first oline to pass block that poorly. It's unacceptable.

 

[hox]

Cable's alright. We have a gimp LT, 3rd string Center, and Rookie RT. No real TE or HB blocking to help right now.

Maybe this is why we're overcompensating with all the gimmick stuff.

 

[Happypuppy]

Where is the read option? Everything is from the pistol. Why?

 

[scutterhawk]

forget the OC and Oline coach, how bout someone stick in to RW for playing like crap.

SMFH Just when you think it can't get any goofier around here :roll:

 

[Largent80]

Stupid thread IMO. Really?...Cable is the problem..... :lol:

As Montana pointed out...

ROOKIE R.T.
Oft injured Center(Unger), yesterday a great job by Schilling in his first start as a Hawk
Carpenter in a contract year finally playing decent, not even good, just decent.
Sweezy is doing fine
Okung needs to go away. Always injured and making penalties.

How in the entire world is this on Cable?

 

[falcongoggles]

Stupid thread IMO. Really?...Cable is the problem..... :lol:

As Montana pointed out...

ROOKIE R.T.
Oft injured Center(Unger), yesterday a great job by Schilling in his first start as a Hawk
Carpenter in a contract year finally playing decent, not even good, just decent.
Sweezy is doing fine
Okung needs to go away. Always injured and making penalties.

How in the entire world is this on Cable?

Hmmm....The line was ranked 32nd last year. The line has been gawd awful this year.

This is a coaching problem.

 

[nanomoz]

TBF Cable hasn't been given very much to work with.

It seems like the Hawks' strategy (both from a salary and talent perspective) is to piece together their O-Line so that they can invest in their secondary, D-Line, and RBs. It's the same story with the 9ers, who invest in their O-Line, D-Line, HBs, and LBs at expense of their secondary.

Agreed with posters above who noted that, at least in this game, Wilson was leaving his line out to dry more than the reverse (if you're still hanging out above the pocket after three seconds, you're simply doing it wrong).

The 'Hawks have two first round picks and two second round picks on the starting offensive line. Unger was resigned a couple of years ago to a fairly big contract.

The belief that they haven't invested in the line is wrong.