Flynn traded for 2 picks - via Glazer/Twitter

[Recon_Hawk]

A couple of thoughts:

1. This move was, IMO, all about getting Flynn's salary off the books. It was too high for a (mostly) unproven backup to make. Hell, it's fairly high for an unproven starter, too, which is why I always suspected it'd be hard to trade Flynn for anything more than a late rd pick. I'm fine with the compensation.

2. Can we start placing importance on the backup QB position again? It seems the role has been downplayed in perhaps an attempt to get more people to support trading Flynn, which I was understand, but lets not fool ourselves. It is an important role. Of course if Wilson is out for the entire season our Super Bowl hopes are (most likely) over, but if its a matter of the backup playing 1.5 games for us and winning both games, those 2 W's could be the deciding factor in securing home field advantage which is huge for a championship run.

Question: Is there any news yet of Flynn restructuring his contract to help facilitate his trade. I ask because if he didn't, that might be a reason the picks weren't as much as we all had hoped.

I'll take VY for 400(k) please Alex.

If I thought Young could lead this team to a win from off the bench plus a victory as a starter, I'd be all for his signing, but I don't. Young, IMO, is finished as an NFL QB.

 

[HawkFan72]

A couple of thoughts:

1. This move was, IMO, all about getting Flynn's salary off the books. It was too high for a (mostly) unproven backup to make. Hell, it's fairly high for an unproven starter, too, which is why I always suspected it'd be hard to trade Flynn for anything more than a late rd pick. I'm fine with the compensation.

2. Can we start placing importance on the backup QB position again? It seems the role has been downplayed in perhaps an attempt to get more people to support trading Flynn, which I was understand, but lets not fool ourselves. It is an important role. Of course if Wilson is out for the entire season our Super Bowl hopes are (most likely) over, but if its a matter of the backup playing 1.5 games for us and winning both games, those 2 W's could be the deciding factor in securing home field advantage which is huge for a championship run.

Question: Is there any news yet of Flynn restructuring his contract to help facilitate his trade. I ask because if he didn't, that might be a reason the picks weren't as much as we all had hoped.

I'll take VY for 400(k) please Alex.

If I thought Young could lead this team to a win from off the bench plus a victory as a starter, I'd be all for his signing, but I don't. Young, IMO, is finished as an NFL QB.

Agree. I'd rather have Thigpen and it's not even close.

 

[PGunning101]

Time to move on with a low cost backup, move on from talking about backup QB's (Whitehurst and now Flynn) and time to exert all our energy into another great draft and a run at a Super Bowl.

Who cares about any of that, it's time for Seahawks discussion to revolve around its true purpose - endless hand-wringing about depth at right tackle!

I know that's what you see as the key factor in determining the fortunes of this team, right? The difference between drafting top 5 and a Super Bowl will be the marginal improvement to be had over Breno Giacomini!

 

[ImTheScientist]

Anybody who's wringing their hands about what losing our back up QB means for our Super Bowl chances needs to check that concern at the door.

We aren't going to the Super Bowl without Wilson under center. Even with Flynn, that was still going to be true.

Exactly.

Time to move on with a low cost backup, move on from talking about backup QB's (Whitehurst and now Flynn) and time to exert all our energy into another great draft and a run at a Super Bowl.

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[The Outfield]

Anybody who's wringing their hands about what losing our back up QB means for our Super Bowl chances needs to check that concern at the door.

We aren't going to the Super Bowl without Wilson under center. Even with Flynn, that was still going to be true.

Well, let's say we're having an amazing year and Wilson goes down for 2-3 games in the middle of the season then comes back. We may need to win those 2-3 games to get into the playoffs. A quality back-up like Flynn would give us better chances to win those games.

 

[el capitan]

I'm with ya Recon.

The arguement of "we wont win the SB without Wilson anyways" is intellectually dishonest. It's true if he's out for the entire year or playoffs, but NOT if he's out for two games in November. Also, other teams have to invest starter money into their franchise QB, the Seahawks dont have to.

No but they do have to start paying guys like Kam and Earl so why pay your backup $5.25 million. How much money do you think Kirk Cousins is gonna make this year?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I see a lot of people crying about what the loss of Flynn means when we haven't even signed another backup OR had the draft.

Yes Flynn was a good backup. But if you replace him with another serviceable veteran and maybe another QB in the draft to develop................AND save cap money? Win win my friends. Don't criticize the move until we get to August.

 

[sutz]

I'm pretty sure the backup QB is slightly more important than your FG kicker is, but maybe not, unless he's the holder.

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[pehawk]

I'm with ya Recon.

The arguement of "we wont win the SB without Wilson anyways" is intellectually dishonest. It's true if he's out for the entire year or playoffs, but NOT if he's out for two games in November. Also, other teams have to invest starter money into their franchise QB, the Seahawks dont have to.

No but they do have to start paying guys like Kam and Earl so why pay your backup $5.25 million. How much money do you think Kirk Cousins is gonna make this year?

If you read all 134 pages, you'll see I dont think Kam gets resigned anyway.

Or, what you said.

 

[CHawks4L]

I want both Thigpen and VY, plus a late round flyer rookie. Let Thiggy and VW battle it out in camp for the #2 spot, develop the rook.

 

[LymonHawk]

I disagree with your premise. This is not a QB driven team.

Every NFL team is a QB driven team. The NFL is a QB driven league. Look no further than this year's SB, the difference in the two teams was Flacco played better than Kaepernick. Equal defenses, equal run games........QB play made the difference.

Also look no further than the 2011 Hawks vs. the 2012 Hawks. Basically the same players on offense and defense.........what was the difference? RW QB play was lightyears ahead of Jacksons. Result was playoff run vs. also ran.

NFL defenses are just too damn good now to not make the QB priority #1. You can't be one dimensional anymore.

I'm not saying the QB is not the most important player on the field; only that he's not the ONLY player on the field. History backs me up; a backup QB can get you to the SB.

Didn't the Niners just go to the Super Bowl with a back-up QB (Kaepernak)? And how about Steve Young? Wasn't he Montana's backup until Montana got hurt?

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

Yep, this is Kevin Kolb all over again, but that's exactly what makes him solid backup material. "Starting QB for Arizona/Buffalo" is quality backup material.

I'm not complaining about the two fifth rounders in exchange; I'm just a little surprised that was all we got. After all, even if Crazy Al is dead and gone, there's still a whole lotta Crazy Al going on down there.

I do really like that the two fifth rounders were next year and the following year. I'm not one that subscribes to the line of thinking that they're worth less than ones this year, but that's what the league seems to think.

In the end, it was a lot of money off the books, which shows they're still planning for the future, and not trying to make this year a "Super Bowl or bust" type of year and damn the consequences after.

And that .gif was absolutely priceless! Full kudos.

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

Hard to feel bad for a guy making millions (10x your starters salary to boot) to sit on the bench, but I kinda do. Flynn (just like Jackson before him) came to Seattle believing that the starting job was his for the taking, and that the team would be built around him. Then hurricane Wilson rolls into town and all those plans go out the window. Will this be Portis' shot? One thing is for certain. If you want to play in Seattle, you better bring the heat, all the time, at every position!

I got goosebumps!

 

[General Manager]

The Hawks did not get equal value on this deal ,ya we got him off the books and Wilson won't have to look at the sideline and see a guy who makes millions standing there but that's all that got done with this deal. Hopefully rhey can turn that 5th or 6th into a starter if that happens then this was a good trade untill then it isn't.

 

[Thunderhawk]

Whitehurst Trade: Seahawks drop down significantly in the 2nd round and surrender a 3rd round pick to acquire a third-string QB
Flynn Trade: Seahawks acquire two future fifth round picks and surrender a borderline starting QB

I know the trades were different for different reasons but Schneider is not exactly Trump with the art of the deal. Apart from the Marshawn Lynch trade, I think he has overpaid or undersold on most of his trades. I wonder if his rep around the league is a soft touch who will cave the moment another team plays hardball? Great talent evaluator and cap manager, great in free agency, but a poor negotiator IMO.

Also, what was the urgency? Wouldn't it have been smarter to at least wait til after the draft, when teams that missed the rookie QBs they were targeting were desperate for an arm? Or wait til mini-camps for a QB to get hurt? I'm sure there was a logical reason to do the deal now but what was it?

 

[dradee]

This is the only bad move the FO has made, why the rush to get rid of Matt? A good back up QB has proven to be very valuable to many Super Bowl teams along the way.

 

[chris98251]

The people that beleive a back up QB is a waste of roster space need to look at history instead of fantasy football. Where not every team made it to the Superbowl a back up kept the team moving forward to get to the playoffs. Yates in Houston a recent example. Reich in Buffalo, Morral and Strock in Miami, Young in S.F. then Garcia, Pittsburgh has used a good back up a few times to keep things rolling, Dallas always has depth, why they wanted Kitna. Kreig in Detroit. The example of New York with the Hoss, Pats had Cassel and Brady as a depth QB for Bledsoe, of and Kubiak backing up Elway. Doesn't matter where they were taken in the draft, just matters they can play. Shit by English' standards Johnny Unitas would have never been on the playing field as well.

Don't give me the old school versus modern era stuff either, you had to be a lot tougher and a more rounded player back then, less roster size, less rules to protect players.

You have a limited window, poo pooing a back up QB that can keep you winning isn't sound judgement, we especially since we do not live and die by the pass. But you have to have someone that gets respect of the defense. Nobody respected TJacks ability to read the field is an example.

 

[DavidSeven]

You guys are crazy. Never thought I'd see this much whining over trading away a pure back-up QB. Relax, fellas.

 

[Sports Hernia]

So, are we going to draft a rookie or pick up a FA now? We don't have another QB on the roster.....If Wilson gets hurt, we are screwed...

If 95% of the teams starting QB gets hurt they are screwed!

 

[Sports Hernia]

You guys are crazy. Never thought I'd see this much whining over trading away a pure back-up QB. Relax, fellas.

Exactly!