Flynn traded for 2 picks - via Glazer/Twitter

[McGruff]

If I'm correct, getting a 5th next year is the value of a 6th this year. And a 5th the year after is the value of a 7th this year. More or less. So essentially a 6th and 7th rounder and some money off the books for losing a premier backup? Not seeing it. With the economy what it is, they'd have gotten better value asking for a Happy Meal.

Of course, today being what it is and all...

Yeah that's the way the value chart works, but who cares. Two fifths is two fifths.

 

[Hendo66]

Agreed. I was hoping for a 3 next year but more draft ammo is great to have. Can't wait to see who's coming in. Kinda leaning toward a draft QB as all the FA's are really weak.

 

[Shadowhawk]

If I'm correct, getting a 5th next year is the value of a 6th this year. And a 5th the year after is the value of a 7th this year. More or less. So essentially a 6th and 7th rounder and some money off the books for losing a premier backup? Not seeing it. With the economy what it is, they'd have gotten better value asking for a Happy Meal.

Of course, today being what it is and all...

Yeah that's the way the value chart works, but who cares. Two fifths is two fifths.

Extra picks in the 2014 and 2015 drafts are worth more to us than they normally would be, given that we may need to replace players in those drafts but don't need to replace players in this year's draft.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Anybody who's wringing their hands about what losing our back up QB means for our Super Bowl chances needs to check that concern at the door.

We aren't going to the Super Bowl without Wilson under center. Even with Flynn, that was still going to be true.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

Flynn did beat out a rookie the Packers invested in the year he was drafted. He beat out a high 2nd rounder. He's not great, but give him a little credit.

I agree. Flynn, while mostly "unproven" has shown enough to warrant a QB needy team taking a chance on him. (NFL teams take chances on "unproven" players all the time. The QB position is important and teams need to look to make savvy moves like this in order to address that valuable position.) I think this is a great move by the Raiders and this move could make other QB needy teams look inept by mid-season. I am of the opinion Matt Flynn is a gamer and will be fun to watch compete in the AFC west. He looked fine in preseason and I would've been thrilled to have him lead our Hawks if not for the emergence of Wilson. I'll bet this was somewhat a mix of doing the player right (while not just cutting him, b/c he would've had value to the team this year), and part locker room presence factors. (Please, contract/money guys... don't pitch a fit with me AGAIN and say this was ONLY about money / unloading his contract. I get it/ I'm sure we all get it to some degree... this was a decent move for the Hawks in that regard. I'm merely talking about the guy as a football player here. No one needs to drive home that point just to make themselves look like all-knowing Seahawks fans at the expense of others... unless it's obviously humorous and done in understandably good ribbing fun.)
Anyway, this is also a statement to Russell Wilson that he is the guy, etc., etc. I'll bet there wasn't an explicit problem... but, I'm sure it wasn't completely comfortable. While this leaves the Hawks lacking a competent backup QB at the moment, somehow I'm thinking there is a sense of relief with all parties involved - JS/PC, RW, Flynn, the Raiders, Seahawks teammates, etc. I think the only one probably not satisfied overall by this is T. Pryor.

If all the Seahawks got were a 5th in 2014 and possibly a 5th in 2015... then, I'm fine with it as long as this trade translates into also further helping the team in some way THIS YEAR. (We'll see what follows.) Still, I think the QB position is more valuable and a bit surprised that he only fetched lower draft picks. I could have seen a higher pick in 2015. Perhaps that pick can escalate to a mid-round pick. looking forward to the details and hopeful, though not expecting much at this point.) I could honestly see Flynn doing better in Oakland with the talent on offense around him than Alex Smith may do in KC. SF has got to be somewhat smug about this with what they were able to get for an older and aging A. Smith vs. what the Hawks weren't able to get for Flynn (even though it does make some sense with comparing NFL experience.) What does that do for Andy Reid if A. Smith is merely average there and Matt Flynn emerges in Oakland? I'm not one for predictions, but - compensation aside - I think Oakland got the better deal for a player with more tread left on the tires. Alex Smith is under a ton a pressure (as is A. Reid) to do well fast. Flynn, not as much. He's in a pretty good position now. I seriously doubt any of the rookie QB's could come in and beat out a Veteran who has sat under both Rodgers and Wilson. Bill Walsh would park any rookie (except for maybe Wilson!) and go with that sort of veteran who is primed to flourish and only needs the chance.

I'm not as much of a Raider-hater as I once was during the AFC west days (though I'm only a Seahawks fan - no "2nd favorite team" thing going on - though I can watch other teams). So, I look forward to seeing if Flynn is able to win the starting job there. From those 2 games he played... he was definitely exciting to watch play. The jokers who are talking smack about RW sophomore slump garbage have only that to hope for if they hate the hawks. If any Seahawks fan expects to see such a thing... I got nothing to say to help you begin to get educated about football (and I don't mean that as harsh or from some superiority position.) Especially with the addition of Percy Harvin and RW having a full offseason to prepare as the starter... I only see RW being an even better team leader (and I'm not concerned so much about stats... just overall team production.) A player that gets lofty comparisons to Peyton Manning and Fran Tarkenton as a rookie is going to be just fine. Even if some want to argue he didn't play up to expectations after the season... this is still a TEAM game. Russell Wilson's immeasurables are simply not going away and the Seahawks are set for years with an elite, possibly future HOF QB.

Go Hawks!!!

 

[mikeak]

If I'm correct, getting a 5th next year is the value of a 6th this year. And a 5th the year after is the value of a 7th this year. More or less. So essentially a 6th and 7th rounder and some money off the books for losing a premier backup? Not seeing it. With the economy what it is, they'd have gotten better value asking for a Happy Meal.

Of course, today being what it is and all...

Yeah that's the way the value chart works, but who cares. Two fifths is two fifths.

Also isn't there an Oakland Raiders value chart? You assume that they will get worse for every year so any future Oakland pick is bound to improve. This is probably why we made sure they were spread over two years because even if an anamoly happens and they get better one year we all know they can't do it for two years in a row

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

Anybody who's wringing their hands about what losing our back up QB means for our Super Bowl chances needs to check that concern at the door.

We aren't going to the Super Bowl without Wilson under center. Even with Flynn, that was still going to be true.

I'm not in that upset category. I would be in the category as "somewhat relieved" and felt this was a necessary move with all things considered. Still, we don't (and will never) know that Flynn couldn't have come in to lead this team that far. You can be dogmatic about your view of Flynn (I don't know what that is)... but, this assertion is really no assertion at all because we will never know now. I don't mean it as an insult and please forgive me if it comes across that way. I'm sure you know a ton about football like many of the wise posters on this board. But, I'm just not seeing any logic in this statement. Logically, it's more valid to say that there is need for a capable backup like a Matt Flynn. So, those stating this have a point. I think they are just saying a team making a Super Bowl run needs a capable backup since all the talking heads always say it. Teams have, after all, won Super Bowls with that capable back. for one, Jeff Hostetler with the Giants. but, all things considered... this could be a better overall move for several reasons - $, locker room, etc.

 

[HawkFan72]

Schefter is reporting we might sign Matt Leinart

That would make this...what, the 3rd offseason in a row that rumor is floated out there?

 

[AceBoogie715]

I trust out front office. If we got a 5th rounder in next year's draft, and a 5th rounder in the year afters draft, I feel we did a good job. Matt Flynn is a backup QB who most believe can be a starter in this league. Look at the starting QB's around the league for a second:

(According to Wikipedia)
Buffalo Bills: Ryan Fitzpatrick
Miami Dolphins: Ryan Tannehill
New England Patriots: Tom Brady *
New York Jets: Mark Sanchez
Baltimore Ravens: Joe Flacco *
Cincinnati Bengals: Andy Dalton
Cleveland Browns: Thaddeus Lewis
Pittsburgh Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger *
Houston Texans: Matt Schaub
Indianapolis Colts: Andrew Luck
Jacksonville Jaguars: Chad Henne
Tennessee Titans: Jake Locker
Denver Broncos: Peyton Manning *
Kansas City Chiefs: Brady Quinn / Alex Smith
Oakland Raiders: Terrelle Pryor
San Diego Chargers: Philip Rivers
Dallas Cowboys: Tony Romo
New York Giants: Eli Manning *
Philadelphia Eagles: Michael Vick
Washington Redskins: Robert Griffin III
Chicago Bears: Jay Cutler
Detroit Lions: Matthew Stafford *
Green Bay Packers: Aaron Rodgers *
Minnesota Vikings: Christian Ponder
Atlanta Falcons: Matt Ryan *
Carolina Panthers: Cam Newton
New Orleans Saints: Drew Brees *
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Josh Freeman
Arizona Cardinals: Brian Hoyer
San Francisco 49ers: Colin Kaepernick
Seattle Seahawks: Russell Wilson
St. Louis Rams: Sam Bradford

Now how many of these QB's on this list are unproven. A hell of a lot of them. Now how many of these QB's do you think Flynn can potentially be better than? I liked him while he was here, but QB's come and go. I think we'll draft a QB and sign a seasoned vet to battle for the backup position. Let's trust our FO guys.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

Schefter is reporting we might sign Matt Leinart

That would make this...what, the 3rd offseason in a row that rumor is floated out there?

Is that sort of thing just a media game to have stated names ahead of time just so they can be like a tot and say, "I called it!" ???

 

[Maelstrom787]

Two 5th rounders?

..I'm iight with it.

 

[therealjohncarlson]

This is the most delusional I think Ive ever seen fans on here. Someone in another thread seriously was saying we would get a 1st next year.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

... but I don't like the picks we got if they're after a 4th rounder.

Does anyone here think that we can't make one or even both of those picks good?

I see it as we've essentially traded Flynn for a starter. The odds that this will be so are in our favor.

 

[LymonHawk]

Anybody who's wringing their hands about what losing our back up QB means for our Super Bowl chances needs to check that concern at the door.

We aren't going to the Super Bowl without Wilson under center. Even with Flynn, that was still going to be true.

I disagree with your premise. This is not a QB driven team. This is a well rounded team that lead the League in fewest points allowed. All we need is a competent QB and we still have a chance.

Ever hear of Jeff Hostetler? How about Earl Morrall? Did you know Roethlisberger started 2004 as a third stringer.

Do we stand our best chance with RW under center? Certainly. But we're still dangerous without him...it's the way they built the team.

 

[NYCoug]

Anybody who's wringing their hands about what losing our back up QB means for our Super Bowl chances needs to check that concern at the door.

We aren't going to the Super Bowl without Wilson under center. Even with Flynn, that was still going to be true.

I'm with you on this one Sarlacc. I'm honestly pretty excited about getting some picks in '14 and '15. By the time the draft rolls around NEXT year, we'll all see those extra picks and think "woah, I forgot about the Flynn deal! Sweet!" We still have 10 picks this year. That's way more than enough to have a typical Seahawks godly draft, even without a 1st rounder.

I liked Flynn and I'm happy he gets a chance to start, maybe, in Oakland. The Seahawks get something in return, hopefully it really is 2 5th rounders because we know these guys have done very well in the 5th before.

I have absolutely no doubt that we'll all approve of who our backup quarterback will be. Whether it's a rookie through the draft, the exhumed corpse of Josh Portis, or someone like Tyler Thigpen, my guess is that by the time the season rolls around we won't give a damn, really. Especially if the $ freed up by this move allows the team to sign someone to an extension and maybe roll over some $ into next year.

I'm just finally glad that the trade that was imminent on Friday is finally done. Unless this is all part of an elaborate April Fools Day hoax. THAT would suck!

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I disagree with your premise. This is not a QB driven team.

Every NFL team is a QB driven team. The NFL is a QB driven league. Look no further than this year's SB, the difference in the two teams was Flacco played better than Kaepernick. Equal defenses, equal run games........QB play made the difference.

Also look no further than the 2011 Hawks vs. the 2012 Hawks. Basically the same players on offense and defense.........what was the difference? RW QB play was lightyears ahead of Jacksons. Result was playoff run vs. also ran.

NFL defenses are just too damn good now to not make the QB priority #1. You can't be one dimensional anymore.

 

[SeahawksFanForever]

John informing Pete of the Flynn deal

 

[samwize77]

Are you kidding me? Everyone has the right to their opinion for sure...but come on...to second guess this FO seems more foolish than some of you think this trade is. JS and PC have a plan...I'm sure they would have gotten more for Flynn....IF MORE WAS TO BE HAD....but it takes 2 teams to make a deal happen and since this is what we got, it pretty much shows how much interest there was in Flynn. The FACT that they accepted this deal shows they don't want him on the books...period! And you can bank on the fact that since they knew they wanted Flynn gone, and they won't have a back-up qb, that they HAVE a plan for that also. I like this trade.
Who knows what the future holds.....but freeing up money to re-sign guys like Kam.....ET....RW...and others in the future is a huge win. And who knows what these picks can bring us? JS and PC are chess players and they're thinking 3 moves ahead of us guys.

 

[AbsolutNET]

John informing Pete of the Flynn deal

That is, genuinely, one of my favorite posts of the last 10 years here.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Anybody who's wringing their hands about what losing our back up QB means for our Super Bowl chances needs to check that concern at the door.

We aren't going to the Super Bowl without Wilson under center. Even with Flynn, that was still going to be true.

I'm not in that upset category. I would be in the category as "somewhat relieved" and felt this was a necessary move with all things considered. Still, we don't (and will never) know that Flynn couldn't have come in to lead this team that far. You can be dogmatic about your view of Flynn (I don't know what that is)... but, this assertion is really no assertion at all because we will never know now. I don't mean it as an insult and please forgive me if it comes across that way. I'm sure you know a ton about football like many of the wise posters on this board. But, I'm just not seeing any logic in this statement. Logically, it's more valid to say that there is need for a capable backup like a Matt Flynn. So, those stating this have a point. I think they are just saying a team making a Super Bowl run needs a capable backup since all the talking heads always say it. Teams have, after all, won Super Bowls with that capable back. for one, Jeff Hostetler with the Giants. but, all things considered... this could be a better overall move for several reasons - $, locker room, etc.

First, no insults taken. I don't know why you'd think I would be. :thirishdrinkers:

Second, it wasn't intended to be a logically valid deduction. However, I'm of the opinion that Wilson's influence over this team, and it's chances to win are such that even with our great defense and running game, his loss would open up a world of vulnerability. Particularly when you take into account how many options he gives the Seahawks when on the field, and the amount of preparation he does for the team off it.

I am also not sure why a Super Bowl team requires a capable back up would be a truism. Brady and Manning certainly haven't shown that to be the case. It's not like the front office created a gaping hole at a position of great need.